Let's cut to the chase. Do you have any evidence?

[no evidence no belief]

I feel like we've been beating around the bush for... 6000 years!

Can you please either provide some evidence for your supernatural beliefs, or admit that you have no evidence?

If you believe there once was a talking donkey (Numbers 22) could you please provide evidence?

If you believe there once was a zombie invasion in Jerusalem (Mat 27) could you please provide evidence?

If you believe in the flying horse (Islam) could you please provide evidence?

Walking on water, virgin births, radioactive spiders who give you superpowers, turning water into wine, turning iron into gold, demons, goblins, ghosts, hobbits, elves, angels, unicorns and Santa.

Can you PLEASE provide evidence?

[Goat]

I was very clear about "my" observations and what it would take to change "my" mind about "my" observations. You even agreed that my observations are consistent with the conclusion.

Fair enough, your observations convince you intuitionally, even though they cannot objectively substantiate your conclusion.

I am pointing to 100's of scenarios where people had god experiences from gods they were already indoctrinated to believe in, and never once (so far) a scenario where someone had a god experience about a god they did not already believe to be real.

Granted, people seem to have God experiences after they have already been educated in the relevant theology. What is your point exactly? How is this related to the question whether or not the experiences are real?

Well.. the emotional reaction of the experience was 'real'.. however, the interpretation of that experience is molded by social expectations. Thus, a Christian will interpret this feelign as coming from Jesus, a hindu from Vishnu, Brahmah or Shiva, when, it is entirely possible that it is merely a self generated emotion with no external trigger.. but in the brain.

[instantc]

I was very clear about "my" observations and what it would take to change "my" mind about "my" observations. You even agreed that my observations are consistent with the conclusion.

Fair enough, your observations convince you intuitionally, even though they cannot objectively substantiate your conclusion.

I am pointing to 100's of scenarios where people had god experiences from gods they were already indoctrinated to believe in, and never once (so far) a scenario where someone had a god experience about a god they did not already believe to be real.

Granted, people seem to have God experiences after they have already been educated in the relevant theology. What is your point exactly? How is this related to the question whether or not the experiences are real?

Well.. the emotional reaction of the experience was 'real'.. however, the interpretation of that experience is molded by social expectations. Thus, a Christian will interpret this feelign as coming from Jesus, a hindu from Vishnu, Brahmah or Shiva, when, it is entirely possible that it is merely a self generated emotion with no external trigger.. but in the brain.

My point exactly, Jesus, Vishnu, Brahmah and a trick played by the brain are all possible explanations. Although, if the experience self-identifies as one of the above, then the viable options are narrowed down to the said God or a trick played by the brain.

[Goat]

I was very clear about "my" observations and what it would take to change "my" mind about "my" observations. You even agreed that my observations are consistent with the conclusion.

Fair enough, your observations convince you intuitionally, even though they cannot objectively substantiate your conclusion.

I am pointing to 100's of scenarios where people had god experiences from gods they were already indoctrinated to believe in, and never once (so far) a scenario where someone had a god experience about a god they did not already believe to be real.

Granted, people seem to have God experiences after they have already been educated in the relevant theology. What is your point exactly? How is this related to the question whether or not the experiences are real?

Well.. the emotional reaction of the experience was 'real'.. however, the interpretation of that experience is molded by social expectations. Thus, a Christian will interpret this feelign as coming from Jesus, a hindu from Vishnu, Brahmah or Shiva, when, it is entirely possible that it is merely a self generated emotion with no external trigger.. but in the brain.

My point exactly, Jesus, Vishnu, Brahmah and a trick played by the brain are all possible explanations. Although, if the experience self-identifies as one of the above, then the viable options are narrowed down to the said God or a trick played by the brain.

I wouldn't call it a 'trick'.. per say. I would call it a 'misinterpretation of an emotional experience'.

[no evidence no belief]

Didn't he just give you evidence ?
People seem to have to be told about God before they 'experience' him.
This should be ringing loud bells of mighty skepticism.

How exactly does the fact that people hear about God before they experience his presence show that the experience is not real but a result of the said indoctrination? As far as I can see this is a complete non sequitur.

You are correct. The fact that nobody in the history of the world has ever felt the presence of "God" and associated it with Christianity or Jesus, or Yahweh or Moses or Allah specifically without having heard about Christianity/Judeism/Islam first, doesn't prove conclusively that the belief of those who were exposed to Christian brainwashing was the result of the brainwashing.

Similarly, imagine I ask you and another 10 million people a complicated maths question and none of you are able to answer it for a few hours, and then I hand each of you a calculator and all of you then solve the math problem moments thereafter. That doesn't prove that you all used the calculators to solve the problem. It could easily just be a massive coincidence that all 10 million of you managed to solve it in your head at the same time and it could easily be that my handing all of you calculators is totally unrelated.

Yes. Both of those are totally plausible.

Anyway, none of this is evidence for talking donkeys and zombie invasions. Can you please provide some evidence?

Thanks

[instantc]

Anyway, none of this is evidence for talking donkeys and zombie invasions. Can you please provide some evidence?

Thanks

No, did you have any?

Thanks.

[no evidence no belief]

Anyway, none of this is evidence for talking donkeys and zombie invasions. Can you please provide some evidence?

Thanks

No, did you have any?

Thanks.

Nope. None. Zero. Nada.

Going on 100 pages, and NOBODY can provide solid evidence for their fairy tales.

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

Going on 100 pages, and NOBODY can provide solid evidence for their fairy tales.

We have had more than 5000 years of documented, intelligent, human history and still no–one has conclusively proved the existence of god and its related eccentricities.

Conversely, we have in the past few hundred years, made giant leaps in scientific knowledge, rationale, and been able to explain things not even considered before.

I’m not a betting man, but I know where I’d place my wager.

[no evidence no belief]

Going on 100 pages, and NOBODY can provide solid evidence for their fairy tales.

We have had more than 5000 years of documented, intelligent, human history and still no–one has conclusively proved the existence of god and its related eccentricities.

Conversely, we have in the past few hundred years, made giant leaps in scientific knowledge, rationale, and been able to explain things not even considered before.

I’m not a betting man, but I know where I’d place my wager.

You use the figure of 5000 years, I say 6000 in my OP. Who knows.

For sure, we've been waiting for evidence for a long time, and it's not just that they haven't been able to prove "conclusively" that donkey can talk. They have been able to provide NOTHING in the way of evidence other than scribblings by bloodthirsty ignorant superstitious savage bronze age goat herders, and furthermore they have done NOTHING to counter the avalanche of overwhelmingly strong empirical evidence AGAINST the notion that donkeys can talk. Ditto, zombie invasions, ditto, virgin births, ditto walking on liquid water, ditto the earth stopping in its orbit, ditto a global flood.

It's sad really.

[no evidence no belief]

Nothing? No evidence? Why are you still here?

[Philbert]

Going on 100 pages, and NOBODY can provide solid evidence for their fairy tales.

Including the fairy tale that you are in a position to know whether there is a god or not.

Including the fairy tale that if there is a god, human reason would be qualified to analyze such a thing.

Including the fairy tale that posting snotty comments about religions on forums day after day to people who already mostly agree with you accomplishes anything at all.

Including the fairy tale that all this typing I'm doing is accomplishing anything either.