What if God disappeared?

[Celsus]

Assuming God (and especially BibleGod) exists then what would happen if it disappeared? Would all morality vanish too?

Do you agree with this video?

[cnorman18]

Assuming God (and especially BibleGod) exists then what would happen if it disappeared? Would all morality vanish too?

Hard to see how that would follow. Lots of people don't believe in God now, and they somehow seem to find their way to moral behavior. If everyone who believed in God were a saint and everyone who didn't a vicious predator, that idea might hold water. As it stands, it doesn't hold a drop.

Do you agree with this video?

Sorry, I post from a BlackBerry and can't see videos.

Here's a better question: If God were to vanish, how would we know?

Bear in mind that I believe in God.

[Cathar1950]

I had a hard time telling if it was a satyr or just poor theology.
If your going to give God credit why go through a list of baby crying and sunsets when God did everything anyway?
I have read how God does seem to disappears in the Scriptures (Hebrew writings) and the last one to actually see God was Solomon as God gives over His sovereignty or duties to God's people. The Book is called "The Disappearance of God: A Divine Mystery" by Richard Elliott Friedman.

[Celsus]

I had a hard time telling if it was a satyr or just poor theology.
If your going to give God credit why go through a list of baby crying and sunsets when God did everything anyway?

I have read how God does seem to disappears in the Scriptures (Hebrew writings) and the last one to actually see God was Solomon as God gives over His sovereignty or duties to God's people. The Book is called "The Disappearance of God: A Divine Mystery" by Richard Elliott Friedman.

It's a satire.

The point of it is that (especially conservative) Christians often imply that there wouldn't be any morality if it wasn't for their God.

[Cathar1950]

I had a hard time telling if it was a satyr or just poor theology.
If your going to give God credit why go through a list of baby crying and sunsets when God did everything anyway?

I have read how God does seem to disappears in the Scriptures (Hebrew writings) and the last one to actually see God was Solomon as God gives over His sovereignty or duties to God's people. The Book is called "The Disappearance of God: A Divine Mystery" by Richard Elliott Friedman.

It's a satire.

The point of it is that (especially conservative) Christians often imply that there wouldn't be any morality if it wasn't for their God.

I wonder with their dependence upon God if these Christians can really be called moral.
The history of Christianity has shown that God doesn't guaranty their morality.

[Celsus]

I had a hard time telling if it was a satyr or just poor theology.
If your going to give God credit why go through a list of baby crying and sunsets when God did everything anyway?

I have read how God does seem to disappears in the Scriptures (Hebrew writings) and the last one to actually see God was Solomon as God gives over His sovereignty or duties to God's people. The Book is called "The Disappearance of God: A Divine Mystery" by Richard Elliott Friedman.

It's a satire.

The point of it is that (especially conservative) Christians often imply that there wouldn't be any morality if it wasn't for their God.

I wonder with their dependence upon God if these Christians can really be called moral.
The history of Christianity has shown that God doesn't guaranty their morality.

Yes. And I dare not imagine how these people would behave if they didn't believe in their God ...

[Jester]

The point of it is that (especially conservative) Christians often imply that there wouldn't be any morality if it wasn't for their God.

I think it is very clear that the non-religious are every bit as ethical as the religious. At least, that has been both my experience, and the claims of the studies I've read on the matter.

I would say that belief in God does not automatically provide people with a better motivation to be ethical than some secular means, but that God's existence, if true, would result in a logical reason to believe that ethics were real beyond human opinion. I know of no secular philosophy that would provide a logical reason of its own.

[d.thomas]

I never thought of puppies that way before. I hope God doesn't disappear anytime soon for their sake.

[Celsus]

The point of it is that (especially conservative) Christians often imply that there wouldn't be any morality if it wasn't for their God.

I think it is very clear that the non-religious are every bit as ethical as the religious. At least, that has been both my experience, and the claims of the studies I've read on the matter.

I would say that belief in God does not automatically provide people with a better motivation to be ethical than some secular means, but that God's existence, if true, would result in a logical reason to believe that ethics were real beyond human opinion. I know of no secular philosophy that would provide a logical reason of its own.

Variations of the 'Golden Rule' exist in all major religions and philosophies. Some way before the NT.

So it looks like BibleGod was not needed in order to recognize the value of, for example, this moral command. It simply helped the survival of the group, the community, the clan.

[Confused]

The point of it is that (especially conservative) Christians often imply that there wouldn't be any morality if it wasn't for their God.

I think it is very clear that the non-religious are every bit as ethical as the religious. At least, that has been both my experience, and the claims of the studies I've read on the matter.

I would say that belief in God does not automatically provide people with a better motivation to be ethical than some secular means, but that God's existence, if true, would result in a logical reason to believe that ethics were real beyond human opinion. I know of no secular philosophy that would provide a logical reason of its own.

Secular reasoning would point towards genetics. Morality is not an innate characteristic. As has been shown multiple times on this forum, as I am sure you recall, we see all sorts of disorders in both children and adults that would be considered amoral and have found very real medical/genetic causation for them.

If we are to contend that the presence of God is an indicator of morality, then we must question His morality when He brings forth children who are in fact, amoral. Who must be caught early on and taught "morality" to the best of their ability to learn it and we hope it is enough. But sometimes it isn't enough. Sometimes we don't catch it early enough and we end up with ASPD sociopaths.

God and morality do not go hand in hand IMO. I don't look to God to cure the ailments of man. I look to medicine, and not always to cure, but to prevent. If one believes God can cure it, certainly He can prevent it. He has opted out. Therefore, it is for man to guide our children and lead them towards morality and to help those who must learn morality.