In my opinion it is both irresponsible and a dangerous precedent for adults to indoctrinate children into beliefs that are based upon unprovable claims without evidence.
Is it irresponsible to indoctrinate children who do not have the developed mental capacity to determine when they are being duped?
Indoctrinating children
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Re: Indoctrinating children
Post #2If you have children you can't help indoctrinating them is some way. Even if the parents don't give any formal training in religion they will still be teaching by the example they set by their way of life.Flail wrote:In my opinion it is both irresponsible and a dangerous precedent for adults to indoctrinate children into beliefs that are based upon unprovable claims without evidence.
Is it irresponsible to indoctrinate children who do not have the developed mental capacity to determine when they are being duped?
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Re: Indoctrinating children
Post #3All children are, though the word is crude, indoctrinated. If you object to diversity then you can run around the world and get billions upon billions of people locked up or at least on charges from your new position as head of the new world order. ....which you would have to have in order to do so. You would have to fight Obama from the position though...Flail wrote:In my opinion it is both irresponsible and a dangerous precedent for adults to indoctrinate children into beliefs that are based upon unprovable claims without evidence.
Is it irresponsible to indoctrinate children who do not have the developed mental capacity to determine when they are being duped?
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Re: Indoctrinating children
Post #4You are right with this in some way. For example tolerance can be "indoctrinated" too. In fact schools try to indoctrinate good behaviour. The OP is talking about religious faith though, which is claims made without evidence (regardless of if it's true). Me personally for example. I got told about God and Genesis when I was about 4 till 12 or so at school. I first learned about evolution when I was, I think 15-16. So roughly 10 years before I had any clue about biology I was told about how religious folk thought the world came into existence. Most forms of education do not get evolution as a real biology subject, apart from we began as little cells and grew into monkeys and then into humans!. They do not get told about the reasons why we support evolution. They do not get educated in cel biology etc etc.theophilus40 wrote: If you have children you can't help indoctrinating them is some way. Even if the parents don't give any formal training in religion they will still be teaching by the example they set by their way of life.
Long story short: Children get "taught" about the bible, with stories that are so easy that even a 4 year old can understand it. They only get evolution at a later age, and very often they don't get taught much about it because it's much more complex.
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I agree. But what if that indoctrination is based on provable claims and evidence? This is how many people consider their indoctrination.Flail wrote:In my opinion it is both irresponsible and a dangerous precedent for adults to indoctrinate children into beliefs that are based upon unprovable claims without evidence.
Yes.Is it irresponsible to indoctrinate children who do not have the developed mental capacity to determine when they are being duped?
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Re: Indoctrinating children
Post #6Wrong, some parents are theists but raise their children with a great degree of theistic freedom, as did my pa.theophilus40 wrote:If you have children you can't help indoctrinating them is some way. Even if the parents don't give any formal training in religion they will still be teaching by the example they set by their way of life.Flail wrote:In my opinion it is both irresponsible and a dangerous precedent for adults to indoctrinate children into beliefs that are based upon unprovable claims without evidence.
Is it irresponsible to indoctrinate children who do not have the developed mental capacity to determine when they are being duped?
Some parents very heavily indoctrinate their kids, make them wear veils, and cut off their foreskins before they're old enough to object.
All parents indoctrinate their kids? Maybe. Not all parents tell their kids that women were born weaker than men because God intended women to be subservient to men.
THAT is child abuse, not moral teaching.
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Post #7Is it irresponsible for Muslims to indoctrinate their children into Islam when the obvious truth for all mankind is Christianity?....How can Christians end this Muslim tradition?...Since God condems all Muslims to eternal suffering in Hell, is it OK for Christians to eradicate them in order for their suffering to commence? How can Christians best teach this intolerance to their children?
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Post #8Muslims will beget Muslims. Not sure why u think it irresponsible.Flail wrote:Is it irresponsible for Muslims to indoctrinate their children into Islam when the obvious truth for all mankind is Christianity?....How can Christians end this Muslim tradition?...Since God condems all Muslims to eternal suffering in Hell, is it OK for Christians to eradicate them in order for their suffering to commence? How can Christians best teach this intolerance to their children?
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Post #9Did 9/11 happen as a result of religious indoctrination?SacredCowBurgers wrote:Muslims will beget Muslims. Not sure why u think it irresponsible.Flail wrote:Is it irresponsible for Muslims to indoctrinate their children into Islam when the obvious truth for all mankind is Christianity?....How can Christians end this Muslim tradition?...Since God condems all Muslims to eternal suffering in Hell, is it OK for Christians to eradicate them in order for their suffering to commence? How can Christians best teach this intolerance to their children?
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Re: Islam
Post #10The events of September 11, 2001 would not have happened without religious indoctrination.Flail wrote: Did 9/11 happen as a result of religious indoctrination?
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The truth will make you free.
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