God and Sin

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 18 here:

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I suspect that comment stems from ignorance of the concept of sin against God and its consequences.
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For debate:

Please show a god considers anything to be a "sin".

Are those who claim to possess such knowledge, but are incapable of showing such to be anything more than their own personal beliefs, guilty of any "ignorance" in this regard?

[kayky]

I believe that God is love, and love cannot be offended. Therefore, sin is something we do that offends our true nature. We do not have the capacity to sin against God.

I believe that every choice we make comes from one of two places. We are either choosing from a position of ignorance and fear. Or we are choosing from a position of love.

Since our true nature is one of love, every choice we make from ignorance or fear leads us farther away from our awareness of our true nature. This can build up in layers over time so that we have so distanced ourselves from this awareness that we are capable of quite evil acts.

[Rkrause]

From Post 18 here:

...
I suspect that comment stems from ignorance of the concept of sin against God and its consequences.
...

For debate:

Please show a god considers anything to be a "sin".

Are those who claim to possess such knowledge, but are incapable of showing such to be anything more than their own personal beliefs, guilty of any "ignorance" in this regard?

Mark 3:29
but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.�

John 8:11
“No one, sir,� she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,� Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.�

John 19:11
Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.�

Romans 3:20
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Romans 5:12
[ Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ ] Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

Romans 5:13
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.

[McCulloch]

Mark 3:29
but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.�

John 8:11
“No one, sir,� she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,� Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.�

John 19:11
Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.�

Romans 3:20
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Romans 5:12
[ Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ ] Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

Romans 5:13
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.

Essentially, RKrause is claiming that if the writers of the Bible are correct and can be believed on this matter, there are acts which God considers to be sin. You are half way there. Now show that the writers of the Bible are competent and correct in this matter, and you will be done.

[Rkrause]

Mark 3:29
but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.�

John 8:11
“No one, sir,� she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,� Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.�

John 19:11
Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.�

Romans 3:20
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Romans 5:12
[ Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ ] Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

Romans 5:13
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.

Essentially, RKrause is claiming that if the writers of the Bible are correct and can be believed on this matter, there are acts which God considers to be sin. You are half way there. Now show that the writers of the Bible are competent and correct in this matter, and you will be done.

I can't, just as I can't prove Mark Twain wrote anything.

But I did answer the OPs question.

[kayky]

Are you seriously questioning the authorship of Mark Twain? How can this possibly be compared to texts written thousands of years ago?

Your posts remind me of a drive-by shooting. Care to come back and defend your position?

[JoeyKnothead]

Mark 3:29
but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.�

John 8:11
“No one, sir,� she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,� Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.�

John 19:11
Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.�

Romans 3:20
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Romans 5:12
[ Death Through Adam, Life Through Christ ] Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—

Romans 5:13
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.

Essentially, RKrause is claiming that if the writers of the Bible are correct and can be believed on this matter, there are acts which God considers to be sin. You are half way there. Now show that the writers of the Bible are competent and correct in this matter, and you will be done.

I can't, just as I can't prove Mark Twain wrote anything.

Mark Twain was actually a pseudonym, so the man in question never actually wrote anything.

But I did answer the OPs question.

I s'pose that technically you answered the question.

While leaving nothing by which I can come to believe you have shown a god considers anything a sin.

I could claim I'm intelligent, but that doesn't make it so.

[Rkrause]

Are you seriously questioning the authorship of Mark Twain? How can this possibly be compared to texts written thousands of years ago?

Your posts remind me of a drive-by shooting. Care to come back and defend your position?

When is the cut off date for knowing who wrote what?

[JoeyKnothead]

Are you seriously questioning the authorship of Mark Twain? How can this possibly be compared to texts written thousands of years ago?

Your posts remind me of a drive-by shooting. Care to come back and defend your position?

When is the cut off date for knowing who wrote what?

The very second one doesn't.

[Rkrause]

Are you seriously questioning the authorship of Mark Twain? How can this possibly be compared to texts written thousands of years ago?

Your posts remind me of a drive-by shooting. Care to come back and defend your position?

When is the cut off date for knowing who wrote what?

The very second one doesn't.

When is that?