The biggest problem I see in Christian theology is rarely addressed in debates and articles.
The most plausible response to the Problem of Evil is to point out that the purpose of life is not happiness and joy but to come to know God. If you actually believe this, what is the best thing you can do to a person?
I would have to draw a conclusion that the best thing that can happen to a baby is to die painlessly. Surely this life is full of great experiences, but nothing that heaven couldn't top?
The Real Problem of Christian Theology
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Re: The Real Problem of Christian Theology
Post #2I think this angle fails on the basis the god in question may want folks to do them a brief bit of living in among all that god finding.instantc wrote: The biggest problem I see in Christian theology is rarely addressed in debates and articles.
The most plausible response to the Problem of Evil is to point out that the purpose of life is not happiness and joy but to come to know God. If you actually believe this, what is the best thing you can do to a person?
I would have to draw a conclusion that the best thing that can happen to a baby is to die painlessly. Surely this life is full of great experiences, but nothing that heaven couldn't top?
Then with the pain, we get the whole can't tell what ain't pain unless one knows what is pain deal.
Alas, arguments that attempt to sort out the mind of god can't be sorted out.
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Post #3From my particualr pov of Christian doctrine, we all know GOD and have made our eternal choices about our relationship with HIM but have forgotten them when we are born on earth.instantc wrote: The biggest problem I see in Christian theology is rarely addressed in debates and articles.
The most plausible response to the Problem of Evil is to point out that the purpose of life is not happiness and joy but to come to know God. If you actually believe this, what is the best thing you can do to a person?
I would have to draw a conclusion that the best thing that can happen to a baby is to die painlessly. Surely this life is full of great experiences, but nothing that heaven couldn't top?
We are here to return to HIM, not find HIM. There are many Christians who believe that babies are innocent and go to HIM if they die so I constantly challenge them to accept that we all should have died at birth to fulfilled HIS desire to save us.
It smacks to much of the unbalanced parent who kills their children to keep them pure forever, so sad.
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PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
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I am not sure I get the question, but I heard something about the best thing you can do to a person. I think the best thing you can do to a person is help them have an orgasm. This will occasionally make the receiver cry, especially females, but the tears are those of joy not sadness. I think knowing this bliss brings us closer to God, and would in fact be why God created sex the way He did.
Matthew 16:26
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26 For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?
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26 For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?
Re: The Real Problem of Christian Theology
Post #5ttruscott wrote:instantc wrote: The biggest problem I see in Christian theology is rarely addressed in debates and articles.
The most plausible response to the Problem of Evil is to point out that the purpose of life is not happiness and joy but to come to know God. If you actually believe this, what is the best thing you can do to a person?
I would have to draw a conclusion that the best thing that can happen to a baby is to die painlessly. Surely this life is full of great experiences, but nothing that heaven couldn't top?
From my particualr pov of Christian doctrine, we all know GOD and have made our eternal choices about our relationship with HIM but have forgotten them when we are born on earth.
We are here to return to HIM, not find HIM. There are many Christians who believe that babies are innocent and go to HIM if they die so I constantly challenge them to accept that we all should have died at birth to fulfilled HIS desire to save us.
It smacks to much of the unbalanced parent who kills their children to keep them pure forever, so sad.
Peace, Ted
The scriptures are silent concerning infant death. It is an assumption on the readers part that all babies go to heaven. I can't follow the logic here because it has a faulty biblical premise. Honestly, in what the bible leaves out (baby salvation), we need to be careful not to answer some questions that God
chose to leave out.
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Gosh!Moses Yoder wrote: I am not sure I get the question, but I heard something about the best thing you can do to a person. I think the best thing you can do to a person is help them have an orgasm.
Don't want to spoil a splendid idea, but I've met very few people that couldn't have an orgasm all by theirselves.
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Infant death?Moses Yoder wrote: I am not sure I get the question, but I heard something about the best thing you can do to a person. I think the best thing you can do to a person is help them have an orgasm. This will occasionally make the receiver cry, especially females, but the tears are those of joy not sadness. I think knowing this bliss brings us closer to God, and would in fact be why God created sex the way He did.
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Moses, I think that I like your god a whole lot better than the Christian one. Didn't the Beatles say, "And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love you make"? There would certainly be a lot of disappointed Christians in the afterlife, if the god really only cared about how much joy (orgasmic or otherwise) we brought to others in this life.Moses Yoder wrote: I am not sure I get the question, but I heard something about the best thing you can do to a person. I think the best thing you can do to a person is help them have an orgasm. This will occasionally make the receiver cry, especially females, but the tears are those of joy not sadness. I think knowing this bliss brings us closer to God, and would in fact be why God created sex the way He did.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
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First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
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McCulloch wrote:Moses, I think that I like your god a whole lot better than the Christian one. Didn't the Beatles say, "And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love you make"? There would certainly be a lot of disappointed Christians in the afterlife, if the god really only cared about how much joy (orgasmic or otherwise) we brought to others in this life.Moses Yoder wrote: I am not sure I get the question, but I heard something about the best thing you can do to a person. I think the best thing you can do to a person is help them have an orgasm. This will occasionally make the receiver cry, especially females, but the tears are those of joy not sadness. I think knowing this bliss brings us closer to God, and would in fact be why God created sex the way He did.
The difference between our faith and every other belief system is the difference between "advice" and "news". Yeshua didn't just come to give advice. He came to bear our debt, to pay for the penalty of our sins, the wages of sin is death, so that we could be free to forgive one another as he forgave us. And so that we could receive the kind of love we as beings so desperately need - unconditional, accepting love. None of us had this kind of love that we need, only Messiah could love us and he did so, so that we could become the kind of people he created us to be.
It's not what we can do for God but what He has done for us. He entered "our world," He took on
"our humanity," He bore "our sins," He died "our death, "He was resurrected for "our life," He's coming again for "our glorification."
Paul in his letter to the Romans is urging us on the basis of all that he taught on, on the basis of all that has been done, he urges us to become living sacrifices:
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. (Romans 12:1, 2 KJV)
If we have not understood all that the mercies of God has done, if we have not understood doctrinally and theologically deep enough, all that Messiah has accomplished for us, then we have become useless to him. God is calling us to live our lives as living sacrifices unto him. Our problem is, we are so prideful that we are not willing to give up anything for others. When a sacrifice was laid upon the alter there was a great deal of suffering involved, the animal experienced pain and suffering. What are we willing to give up? What are we willing to place upon the alter? So that we can become a blessing to others, and become servants of the Most High God?
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Yeshua, my friend, is the Jewish Messiah the one who Moses spoke of. He's the Servant of Isaiah, the Son of David, the King of the Jews. Yeshua loves Israel.Intojoy wrote:McCulloch wrote:Moses, I think that I like your god a whole lot better than the Christian one. Didn't the Beatles say, "And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love you make"? There would certainly be a lot of disappointed Christians in the afterlife, if the god really only cared about how much joy (orgasmic or otherwise) we brought to others in this life.Moses Yoder wrote: I am not sure I get the question, but I heard something about the best thing you can do to a person. I think the best thing you can do to a person is help them have an orgasm. This will occasionally make the receiver cry, especially females, but the tears are those of joy not sadness. I think knowing this bliss brings us closer to God, and would in fact be why God created sex the way He did.
The difference between our faith and every other belief system is the difference between "advice" and "news". Yeshua didn't just come to give advice. He came to bear our debt, to pay for the penalty of our sins, the wages of sin is death, so that we could be free to forgive one another as he forgave us. And so that we could receive the kind of love we as beings so desperately need - unconditional, accepting love. None of us had this kind of love that we need, only Messiah could love us and he did so, so that we could become the kind of people he created us to be.
It's not what we can do for God but what He has done for us. He entered "our world," He took on
"our humanity," He bore "our sins," He died "our death, "He was resurrected for "our life," He's coming again for "our glorification."
Paul in his letter to the Romans is urging us on the basis of all that he taught on, on the basis of all that has been done, he urges us to become living sacrifices:
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. (Romans 12:1, 2 KJV)
If we have not understood all that the mercies of God has done, if we have not understood doctrinally and theologically deep enough, all that Messiah has accomplished for us, then we have become useless to him. God is calling us to live our lives as living sacrifices unto him. Our problem is, we are so prideful that we are not willing to give up anything for others. When a sacrifice was laid upon the alter there was a great deal of suffering involved, the animal experienced pain and suffering. What are we willing to give up? What are we willing to place upon the alter? So that we can become a blessing to others, and become servants of the Most High God?