Hermaphrodites?

[Ooberman]

How do Christians explain Hermaphrodites? In what world would God care about sexuality, then create people with both sex organs?

Isn't naturalism a better answer?

[Wootah]

In a fallen world genetics can fail like everything else.

How should an evolutionist regard hermaphrodite?

If you believe in evolution then can there be a mistake in genetics?

Edit - what is naturalism's better answer?

[99percentatheism]

Ooberman

How do Christians explain Hermaphrodites? In what world would God care about sexuality, then create people with both sex organs?

The real world. Obvioulsy. But hasn't the term "intersex" been invented to replace hermaphrodite?

Isn't naturalism a better answer?

It is a congenital birth defect is it not? In mammals male is male and female is female. In human mammals, man is male and woman is female.

Do a DNA test and follow natural reality to its normal and natural destination. What's the issue here for "Christians?" Sexuality in the Bible as affirmed by Christians, is man-male and woman-female.

So what's the issue?

[agnosticatheist]

Ooberman

How do Christians explain Hermaphrodites? In what world would God care about sexuality, then create people with both sex organs?

The real world. Obvioulsy. But hasn't the term "intersex" been invented to replace hermaphrodite?

Isn't naturalism a better answer?

It is a congenital birth defect is it not? In mammals male is male and female is female. In human mammals, man is male and woman is female.

Do a DNA test and follow natural reality to its normal and natural destination. What's the issue here for "Christians?" Sexuality in the Bible as affirmed by Christians, is man-male and woman-female.

So what's the issue?

So, what you are saying, is do the DNA test, and if it comes up XY, they are a considered a male, and if it comes up XX, they are considered a female?

[99percentatheism]

Ooberman

How do Christians explain Hermaphrodites? In what world would God care about sexuality, then create people with both sex organs?

The real world. Obvioulsy. But hasn't the term "intersex" been invented to replace hermaphrodite?

Isn't naturalism a better answer?

It is a congenital birth defect is it not? In mammals male is male and female is female. In human mammals, man is male and woman is female.

Do a DNA test and follow natural reality to its normal and natural destination. What's the issue here for "Christians?" Sexuality in the Bible as affirmed by Christians, is man-male and woman-female.

So what's the issue?

So, what you are saying, is do the DNA test, and if it comes up XY, they are a considered a male, and if it comes up XX, they are considered a female?

You don't like science?

Decide the gender and go that path. Now, in the narrow path laid out by Jesus, that brings the issue to a close. For Christians.

[Joab]

Ooberman

How do Christians explain Hermaphrodites? In what world would God care about sexuality, then create people with both sex organs?

The real world. Obvioulsy. But hasn't the term "intersex" been invented to replace hermaphrodite?

Isn't naturalism a better answer?

It is a congenital birth defect is it not? In mammals male is male and female is female. In human mammals, man is male and woman is female.

Do a DNA test and follow natural reality to its normal and natural destination. What's the issue here for "Christians?" Sexuality in the Bible as affirmed by Christians, is man-male and woman-female.

So what's the issue?

So, what you are saying, is do the DNA test, and if it comes up XY, they are a considered a male, and if it comes up XX, they are considered a female?

You don't like science?

Decide the gender and go that path. Now, in the narrow path laid out by Jesus, that brings the issue to a close. For Christians.

What was it jesus said about chromosomes?

Oh that's right nothing.

He had no knowledge of them.

[Goat]

Ooberman

How do Christians explain Hermaphrodites? In what world would God care about sexuality, then create people with both sex organs?

The real world. Obvioulsy. But hasn't the term "intersex" been invented to replace hermaphrodite?

Isn't naturalism a better answer?

It is a congenital birth defect is it not? In mammals male is male and female is female. In human mammals, man is male and woman is female.

Do a DNA test and follow natural reality to its normal and natural destination. What's the issue here for "Christians?" Sexuality in the Bible as affirmed by Christians, is man-male and woman-female.

So what's the issue?

So, what you are saying, is do the DNA test, and if it comes up XY, they are a considered a male, and if it comes up XX, they are considered a female?

And if they come up xxy or xyy?? What then?

[Ooberman]

1. Why, if god cares about sex, would he make it possible for intersex people to exist? Claiming its a flaw in genetics is saying that god placed a flaw in genetics such that they could be affected by "sin" (and affected by someone elses sin - how is that Just?)

2. So the Christian answer is "get a dna test and act accordingly".
Wow. Do Christians know dna tests havent been available for 99.9% of human history, and unavailable to most people on the planet?
This is like their apologetics for killing gays:
"That was a long time ago".
Of course, the law had been in place longer than the post-jesus laws... How does that make sense?

3. Its amazing how quick Christians will embrace genetics when they need, then reject it when it comes to evolution.

So, for most of human history, intersex, gay, lesbian and bi people were supposed to get a dna test...

This sounds like the classic excuse "satan went back in time and hid the fossils, and made religious figures similar to Jesus.


I suppose i should have expected the answers from the resident apologists: they have an answer for everything... Even if its obviously ad hoc and laughable...

[connermt]

[Replying to post 1 by Ooberman]

How do Christians explain Hermaphrodites?

It's a result of sin - the fallen man. After all, everything "bad" is man's fault, not god's

In what world would God care about sexuality...

A sick world. Oh hey - look at that...!! Seems a perfect deity that can create everything and do anything that wasn't created, but has always existed, is concerned about the sex lives of its simple creations.
In reality, I don't think any deity would care - seems it's more of a 'human need' to care. Most likely a group of peverted humans.

...then create people with both sex organs...

Silly poster. God didn't do this - man did by creating sin

Isn't naturalism a better answer?

Very few things aren't "better" than christianity today IMO
You see, god only creates things that benefit mankind, not the other way around.
God is like the perfect date:
Beautiful inside and out, flawless in every way, provider, protecter, 'teat of life'....no one admits to its flaws. Oh they see them, but no one wants to admit to them beacuse that would jack-up their dating relationship and they are so desperate to have perfection that they just can't admit to these flaws.

[Realworldjack]

How do Christians explain Hermaphrodites? In what world would God care about sexuality, then create people with both sex organs?

Isn't naturalism a better answer?

This is a great question, and one I brought up to one of my former pastors. We were discussing whether there may be those born with an unnatural affection for the same sex. Of course his position was, this is a discission made by the individual, and that no one naturally has these affections. I brought up the very point of the OP. In other words, my question was, "then what of those born with both sex organs?" He became quiet, and then responded, "these cases, were extremely rare." But of course, that is absolutely beside the point.

My point was, and is, if there are those that are born with this physical defect, that can be detected with the eye, then how do we know if there are not also those born with unnatural affections, that we can not detect with our natural senses?

Now let me say before I continue, that I am convinced, a good number of homosexuals have made the choice, but this does not mean that no one is ever born with these unnatural affections. In other words, there may in fact be those who are born in such a way, but there are many who simply make the choice.

Now the question is, did God create people with these defects? Well, not according to the Bible. Rather it says, that God placed curses upon mankind because of sin. Now there was one poster above attempting to make a wise crack, that said,

Silly poster. God didn't do this - man did by creating sin

It is true that mankind is responsible for the sin, but according to the Bible, it was God who was responsible, for placing the curses upon us. These curses would include birth defects, no matter what defect we are talking about. But are we not all born with a birth defect? Think about it, the moment you are born, you begin to die. What are we dying from?