Given these parameters:
God is real
God is All powerful
God is All knowing
God is Omnipresent
Apologetics seems meaningless. What I am trying to say is that the scriptures themselves should be without criticism given the parameters of the god defined above. Thus if god were real there would be no need to defend god because god and his message would be without fault and fault could not be found otherwise it would violate the parameters of his existence.
Is there a need for apologetics?
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I agree. Any God who's message needs to be explained and defended by a mortal apologist is already extremely inept by default.
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Re: Is there a need for apologetics?
Post #3Consider:DanieltheDragon wrote: Given these parameters:
God is real
God is All powerful
God is All knowing
God is Omnipresent
Apologetics seems meaningless. What I am trying to say is that the scriptures themselves should be without criticism given the parameters of the god defined above. Thus if god were real there would be no need to defend god because god and his message would be without fault and fault could not be found otherwise it would violate the parameters of his existence.
IF earth really is a rehab center to break HIS sinful elect from their addictiob
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Re: Is there a need for apologetics?
Post #4Please consider:DanieltheDragon wrote: Given these parameters:
God is real
God is All powerful
God is All knowing
God is Omnipresent
Apologetics seems meaningless. What I am trying to say is that the scriptures themselves should be without criticism given the parameters of the god defined above. Thus if god were real there would be no need to defend god because god and his message would be without fault and fault could not be found otherwise it would violate the parameters of his existence.
IF earth really is a rehab centre where the sinful elect can have their addiction to evil broken and learn about the nature of the evil of the non-elect as eternal by living with them, then any public proof of the attributes of GOD would be experienced by the non-elect and to increase the time of the postponement of their judgement, they would never express their sinfulness so as to never be a bad example to the sinful elect...
Apologetics would then be a natural expression of the experience of the sinful elect with the Holy Spirit in a time when GOD must hide HIMself and not due to a contradiction between HIS attributes and our reality. iow, HIS message is perfect but it must also be misunderstood by some.
Peace, Ted
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We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
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Re: Is there a need for apologetics?
Post #5But ironically you just offered an apologetic explanation that would defy God's purpose according to your very own claims.
If it is your position that God has purposefully designed his message to be misunderstood by some and you are trying to help those who misunderstand God's message understand it, then you would be acting in a way that it clearly against the will of your God.
Evangelism and apologetics would both be against the will of your God Ted, because you claim that God himself wants people to misunderstand his message. Yet here you are offering apologetic arguments in an effort to thwart God's plan and help people understand something that, according to you, God does not want them to understand.
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Re: Is there a need for apologetics?
Post #6I've been asking that for a while now. While there will always be detractors for each belief system (meaning you can't please everyone - someone somewhere will eventually complain) the fact of the different sects and the need to (sometimes violently) defend a faith, kill for it and because of it, shows it the be lackluster (at least) IMO.DanieltheDragon wrote: Given these parameters:
God is real
God is All powerful
God is All knowing
God is Omnipresent
Apologetics seems meaningless. What I am trying to say is that the scriptures themselves should be without criticism given the parameters of the god defined above. Thus if god were real there would be no need to defend god because god and his message would be without fault and fault could not be found otherwise it would violate the parameters of his existence.
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Re: Is there a need for apologetics?
Post #7[Replying to post 3 by ttruscott]
Furthermore if this is some sin rehab place as you outlined the rules and message from god would be impeachable and without issue even to the non-elect as the non-elect in your scenario would be have to still be aware if there was a god as I described above.
This is a contradiction though. If his message is perfect and given the attributes I assigned to god above his message could not be misunderstood. Even the act of you defending the perfection of his message invalidates its perfection.HIS message is perfect but it must also be misunderstood by some.
Furthermore if this is some sin rehab place as you outlined the rules and message from god would be impeachable and without issue even to the non-elect as the non-elect in your scenario would be have to still be aware if there was a god as I described above.
Re: Is there a need for apologetics?
Post #8[Replying to post 3 by ttruscott]
What's the 'must' here?
For a more robust gene pool?
Why?HIS message is perfect but it must also be misunderstood by some.
What's the 'must' here?
For a more robust gene pool?
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Re: Is there a need for apologetics?
Post #9Why is it a necessity that a perfect message be expressed perfectly to one's enemies so they understand it perfectly? Keeping them in their delusions may have a beneficial effect for HIS sinful friends...DanieltheDragon wrote: [Replying to post 3 by ttruscott]This is a contradiction though. If his message is perfect and given the attributes I assigned to god above his message could not be misunderstood. Even the act of you defending the perfection of his message invalidates its perfection.HIS message is perfect but it must also be misunderstood by some.
I see no necessity for this at all. I also see a need for a message that is easily misinterpreted to be used for HIS sinful elect to force them to seek HIM, not the message, not the religion, as becomes the tendency...Furthermore if this is some sin rehab place as you outlined the rules and message from god would be impeachable and without issue even to the non-elect as the non-elect in your scenario would be have to still be aware if there was a god as I described above.
A perfect message expressed in such a way it can be misinterpreted by those with an alternate vision is still a perfect message.
Peace, Ted
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
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So, are you making the argument that there is no deity because a banana needs to be peeled, banana peels can be dangerous and some people can not figure out how to peel a banana?Divine Insight wrote: I agree. Any God who's message needs to be explained and defended by a mortal apologist is already extremely inept by default.
