You And Yours

[connermt]

Christainity says we have 'free will'. Christianity says each person is responsible for their own actions, in regards to one's eternal life heaven/hell.
If both of these concepts are true, why do so many people feel the need to 'butt' into another person's business?
If a person wants to smoke pot in their own home, why do some christians care?
A person wants to go to a stip club, why the need for christians take pictures of them and put on social media to 'shame them'? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /13738537/
What's the point here, christians? You don't like the club, don't go to/support it. How does taking their pictures 'save their souls'?
Don't like gay marriage? Don't 'be gay' and/or get married to a gay person. How does not allowing gay marriage to be legal 'save their souls'?
Don't believe in evolution, don't teach it in your churches. How does trying to sneak in ID as 'science' in public schools 'save the souls' of the students?
The list is almost endless.

While it's not about one's 'rights' to protest or not, it's about 'winning souls for jesus!'
How do these activities bring more lost sinners to god?
How does shaming a pot smoker, alcohol drinker, strip club patron, preventing man made rights from a gay person (etc) win these people's souls?

Surely forbidding churches from teaching their beliefs at church would be worth a fight in the US, the vast majority of these things happen independent of church and church activities. Yet, some christians seem to think it's their 'job' to 'butt into' the lives of people, who have no interest in going to, looking at or participating in, a church or church activity.

What's the 'christian logic' here? How does interferring with one's personal life benefit the cause to win souls to god?

[AdHoc]

Christainity says we have 'free will'. Christianity says each person is responsible for their own actions, in regards to one's eternal life heaven/hell.
If both of these concepts are true, why do so many people feel the need to 'butt' into another person's business?
If a person wants to smoke pot in their own home, why do some christians care?
A person wants to go to a stip club, why the need for christians take pictures of them and put on social media to 'shame them'? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /13738537/
What's the point here, christians? You don't like the club, don't go to/support it. How does taking their pictures 'save their souls'?
Don't like gay marriage? Don't 'be gay' and/or get married to a gay person. How does not allowing gay marriage to be legal 'save their souls'?
Don't believe in evolution, don't teach it in your churches. How does trying to sneak in ID as 'science' in public schools 'save the souls' of the students?
The list is almost endless.

While it's not about one's 'rights' to protest or not, it's about 'winning souls for jesus!'
How do these activities bring more lost sinners to god?
How does shaming a pot smoker, alcohol drinker, strip club patron, preventing man made rights from a gay person (etc) win these people's souls?

Surely forbidding churches from teaching their beliefs at church would be worth a fight in the US, the vast majority of these things happen independent of church and church activities. Yet, some christians seem to think it's their 'job' to 'butt into' the lives of people, who have no interest in going to, looking at or participating in, a church or church activity.

What's the 'christian logic' here? How does interferring with one's personal life benefit the cause to win souls to god?

I think you're absolutely right, there is no logic to what you've described. In fact its not scriptural either. We are to judge those who are in the church and not those outside. And to those in the church it should be done in a spirit of love not to shame.

True love covers a multitude of sins.

Unfortunately too many people choose fight or flight when faced with something they don't like. They don't know there's a third option.

[AdHoc]

As an aside, I think its a mistake for Christians to promote ID. I think its a hypothetical wolf in sheep's clothing.

[Zzyzx]

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You don't like the club, don't go to/support it. How does taking their pictures 'save their souls'?

Don't like gay marriage? Don't 'be gay' and/or get married to a gay person. How does not allowing gay marriage to be legal 'save their souls'?

Don't believe in evolution, don't teach it in your churches. How does trying to sneak in ID as 'science' in public schools 'save the souls' of the students?

Well said.

Mind your own business, correct your own sins and failings, don't obsess about the speck in the eye of others and ignore your log, treat others as you wish to be treated.

How do these activities bring more lost sinners to god?

That sort of butting in to the affairs of others under the guise of religion is more likely to drive people away from the supposed god.

Surely forbidding churches from teaching their beliefs at church would be worth a fight in the US, the vast majority of these things happen independent of church and church activities.

I agree that there should be no law against bigotry in churches. However, those that profess to follow one who is quoted as saying that the greatest commandment is "Love thy neighbor as thyself" would seem obligated to avoid bigotry at ALL times (even in church, or especially in church).

Yet, some christians seem to think it's their 'job' to 'butt into' the lives of people, who have no interest in going to, looking at or participating in, a church or church activity.

What's the 'christian logic' here? How does interferring with one's personal life benefit the cause to win souls to god?

Not likely

[Yahu]

Christainity says we have 'free will'. Christianity says each person is responsible for their own actions, in regards to one's eternal life heaven/hell.
If both of these concepts are true, why do so many people feel the need to 'butt' into another person's business?
If a person wants to smoke pot in their own home, why do some christians care?
A person wants to go to a stip club, why the need for christians take pictures of them and put on social media to 'shame them'? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /13738537/
What's the point here, christians? You don't like the club, don't go to/support it. How does taking their pictures 'save their souls'?
Don't like gay marriage? Don't 'be gay' and/or get married to a gay person. How does not allowing gay marriage to be legal 'save their souls'?
Don't believe in evolution, don't teach it in your churches. How does trying to sneak in ID as 'science' in public schools 'save the souls' of the students?
The list is almost endless.

While it's not about one's 'rights' to protest or not, it's about 'winning souls for jesus!'
How do these activities bring more lost sinners to god?
How does shaming a pot smoker, alcohol drinker, strip club patron, preventing man made rights from a gay person (etc) win these people's souls?

Surely forbidding churches from teaching their beliefs at church would be worth a fight in the US, the vast majority of these things happen independent of church and church activities. Yet, some christians seem to think it's their 'job' to 'butt into' the lives of people, who have no interest in going to, looking at or participating in, a church or church activity.

What's the 'christian logic' here? How does interferring with one's personal life benefit the cause to win souls to god?

Because most Christians don't know or follow scripture. It is ignorance on their part.

1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men’s matters.

Note how scripture equates being a busybody in other men's lives up there with being a murderer, thief or evil doer.

Now one evil doctrine that is common teaches that the world will become more and more righteous and that will bring about the 2nd coming of Yeshua. People that follow that nonsense try to force non-believers into righteousness. They think it is their job as a Christian.

Another problem is in understanding that an entire NATION will be judged collectively by Yah (God). When society degrades to the point that evil is common place, it brings about judgement upon the nation as a whole. So in that case it isn't about trying to 'save your soul' but to prevent Yah's Wrath from falling upon them in the judgement of their nation as a whole. That is why they oppose things like gay marriage and abortion. It is about self preservation, not to save others.

[Zzyzx]

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What's the 'christian logic' here? How does interferring with one's personal life benefit the cause to win souls to god?

Because most Christians don't know or follow scripture. It is ignorance on their part.

It appears to me as though most Christians DO know and perhaps follow SOME, selected scripture -- that which agrees with their own preferences -- and ignore that which disagrees.

1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men’s matters.

Note how scripture equates being a busybody in other men's lives up there with being a murderer, thief or evil doer.

Is it surprising that busybodies among Christians ignore this (or perhaps think it doesn't apply to them or their actions)?

[Divine Insight]

it's about 'winning souls for jesus!'

Sounds like a gambling casino to me.

Why would Jesus need to "win" souls? Win them from whom?

And even if he had that goal shouldn't he be able to do this on his own?

I thought with God all things are possible? How can an omnipotent perfect God lose any souls if he doesn't want to lose any souls?

This is why I don't understand why are there so many Christians and Muslims, and so few Taoists. In Taoist God never loses a soul. I mean gee whiz, if people want to believe in a perfect God it seems to me they'd be choosing Taoism over Christianity or Islam. Both of the latter clearly have loser Gods. They are stories of Gods who lose the vast majority of souls they create. What sense does that make?

[connermt]

[Replying to post 6 by Zzyzx]

It appears to me as though most Christians DO know and perhaps follow SOME, selected scripture -- that which agrees with their own preferences -- and ignore that which disagrees.

Which is worse than ignorance of, and not following, scripture

Is it surprising that busybodies among Christians ignore this....

Really? They ignore what doesn't fit their agenda why should this be any different?

[connermt]

[Replying to post 7 by Divine Insight]

Sounds like a gambling casino to me.

Perhaps it is?

I thought with God all things are possible? How can an omnipotent perfect God lose any souls if he doesn't want to lose any souls?

Christianity is FULL of things contradictory and illogical.

What sense does that make?

Indeed. Not much would be the answer

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 1 by connermt]

Because no man is an island. Harming yourself and limiting harm to yourself is in the end not a good enough reason to justify allowing you to do it.

However don't think I believe in legislating against self harm. If someone wants to get a tattoo or a piercing then I wouldn't want the law to stop them.