On The Forever Existin'

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On The Forever Existin'

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From Post 5 here:
Adstar wrote: ...
We are going to exist forever more.
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Please offer some means to confirm the referenced statement is true.
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JoeyKnothead wrote: From Post 5 here:
Adstar wrote: ...
We are going to exist forever more.
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For debate:

Please offer some means to confirm the referenced statement is true.
I have never known a time that I didn't exist. If there was, I wasn't there to know it.
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No. But I wonder if you're robbed of the capacity to comprehend "forever," does it become a non-issue to exist for... ever..

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[color=red]JoeyKnothead[/color] wrote: From Post 5 here:
[color=blue]Adstar[/color] wrote: ...
We are going to exist forever more.
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For debate:

Please offer some means to confirm the referenced statement is true.
Well, technically, the fundamental particles that make us up will continue to exist indefinitely, at some point (about 10^100 years from now) decaying into photons and leptons separated by vast distances. So, in some very different form, we (or at least the "stuff" that makes us up) will probably exist "forever more."

Somehow I doubt that's what Adstar was getting at, though ;).
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Haven wrote:
[color=red]JoeyKnothead[/color] wrote: From Post 5 here:
[color=blue]Adstar[/color] wrote: ...
We are going to exist forever more.
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For debate:

Please offer some means to confirm the referenced statement is true.
Well, technically, the fundamental particles that make us up will continue to exist indefinitely, at some point (about 10^100 years from now) decaying into photons and leptons separated by vast distances. So, in some very different form, we (or at least the "stuff" that makes us up) will probably exist "forever more."

Somehow I doubt that's what Adstar was getting at, though ;).
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JoeyKnothead wrote: From Post 5 here:
Adstar wrote: ...
We are going to exist forever more.
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For debate:

Please offer some means to confirm the referenced statement is true.
Well I consider this a big step up for not asking for proof but the only answer I have for confirmation of this statement as true is theological...I can only assume that since you ask you want honest answers so from my pov,

the way to confirm this is true is to seek and find GOD and to ask HIM...nothing else will do, sorry,

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We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

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JoeyKnothead wrote: From Post 5 here:
Adstar wrote: ...
We are going to exist forever more.
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Perhaps he means reincarnation, for which he could provide proof from such books as written by Ian Stevenson that document people in India who could remember their past lives.

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ttruscott wrote: the way to confirm this is true is to seek and find GOD and to ask HIM...nothing else will do, sorry
Many have indicated they "asked God" and sure enough they got NOTHING.

Perhaps the bible God has gone the way of Greek, Roman, Norse, and other "gods" -- and disappeared or become obsolete. It seems as though that "god" is declining in popularity like its predecessor gods (at least in most technologically advanced, educated, prosperous areas -- even the US is playing catch-up with Europe in that regard).
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ttruscott wrote: the way to confirm this is true is to seek and find GOD and to ask HIM...nothing else will do, sorry,
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Zzyzx wrote: .
ttruscott wrote: the way to confirm this is true is to seek and find GOD and to ask HIM...nothing else will do, sorry
Many have indicated they "asked God" and sure enough they got NOTHING.
Indeed. I can speak of one who sought God for well over 30 years and even believed I had a relationship with him. I received no evidence or confirmation of any after life. All I got was people promoting what appeared to be a fantasy, one which I promoted myself, believing it to be real.

Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.

Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.

There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.


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