A 6000 year old Earth

[Willum]

So if the Bible claims, without any reason to believe otherwise from its own internal consistency, that the Earth was created sometime after 8000 BCE, then did the Egyptians, Sumerians, etc., watch God create everything?
How come they didn’t record it?

[Tart]

[Replying to Willum]

This is a great question of the debate of my mind. Is the genealogy of the Bible from Christ to Adam literal? I think it could be, however, language itself also is another question...

Did it start with Adam? Well if you believe the Bible, it perhaps started at Babel. I think Gensisi 11 or 12 or something... The semitic language wrote it down... The word itself, is said to have been at the Beginning?

Of what? Communication and written documentation? Or of Knowledge? Or history? Or the existence of the universe itself? Probably the former, but perhaps the latter...

What do we know?

Human history began about 6,000 years ago with proto-writing, in and around lower Mesopotamia?

[Tart]

But i like the answer of "ya, cuz the Bible says so"...

seems to be literal

[Tcg]

Human history began about 6,000 years ago with proto-writing, in and around lower Mesopotamia?

Perhaps, but these aren't the earliest records left by humans. Here is an example of the paintings found in the Lascaux Cave in France:



The earliest paintings from the Lascaux Cave are estimated to be around 17,000 years old. These are far from the oldest cave paintings however:

• The oldest known cave paintings are more than 44,000 years old (art of the Upper Paleolithic), found in both the Franco-Cantabrian region in western Europe, and in the caves in the district of Maros (Sulawesi, Indonesia). The oldest type of cave paintings are hand stencils and simple geometric shapes; the oldest undisputed examples of figurative cave paintings are somewhat younger, close to 35,000 years old.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_painting

Humans have left art that is clearly much older than 6,000 years.


Tcg

[Athetotheist]

So if the Bible claims, without any reason to believe otherwise from its own internal consistency, that the Earth was created sometime after 8000 BCE, then did the Egyptians, Sumerians, etc., watch God create everything?
How come they didn’t record it?

....and then didn't record anything about the global flood which wiped out all life on earth in 2348 BCE, about three years before Egypt made a fairly uneventful transition from its fifth dynasty to its sixth.....

[Tart]

Human history began about 6,000 years ago with proto-writing, in and around lower Mesopotamia?

Perhaps, but these aren't the earliest records left by humans. Here is an example of the paintings found in the Lascaux Cave in France:



The earliest paintings from the Lascaux Cave are estimated to be around 17,000 years old. These are far from the oldest cave paintings however:

• The oldest known cave paintings are more than 44,000 years old (art of the Upper Paleolithic), found in both the Franco-Cantabrian region in western Europe, and in the caves in the district of Maros (Sulawesi, Indonesia). The oldest type of cave paintings are hand stencils and simple geometric shapes; the oldest undisputed examples of figurative cave paintings are somewhat younger, close to 35,000 years old.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_painting

Humans have left art that is clearly much older than 6,000 years.


Tcg

I suppose you can believe that, when history was a mystery. The age of myth.

History itself has been defined as "History is the study of the human past as it is described in the written documents left by human beings."

Before of which time is referred to the time of mythology, or something like that. So i have read... Though perhaps we can trust a humans eye, to date such things as far back.. Or an atom's isotope, of which I assume to exist, for people have told me so. Or the age of a rock, that people have theorized about. So im told

[SallyF]

Human history began about 6,000 years ago with proto-writing, in and around lower Mesopotamia?

Perhaps, but these aren't the earliest records left by humans. Here is an example of the paintings found in the Lascaux Cave in France:



The earliest paintings from the Lascaux Cave are estimated to be around 17,000 years old. These are far from the oldest cave paintings however:

• The oldest known cave paintings are more than 44,000 years old (art of the Upper Paleolithic), found in both the Franco-Cantabrian region in western Europe, and in the caves in the district of Maros (Sulawesi, Indonesia). The oldest type of cave paintings are hand stencils and simple geometric shapes; the oldest undisputed examples of figurative cave paintings are somewhat younger, close to 35,000 years old.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_painting

Humans have left art that is clearly much older than 6,000 years.


Tcg

I suppose you can believe that, when history was a mystery. The age of myth.

History itself has been defined as "History is the study of the human past as it is described in the written documents left by human beings."

Before of which time is referred to the time of mythology, or something like that. So i have read... Though perhaps we can trust a humans eye, to date such things as far back.. Or an atom's isotope, of which I assume to exist, for people have told me so. Or the age of a rock, that people have theorized about. So im told

And I was told in Sunday school …



When I grew up a bit ...

I began to realise that my faith community believed in make-believe.

Some folks STILL can't let it go.

That's how brainwashing works ...

In my view ...

And experience.

[Tcg]

I suppose you can believe that, when history was a mystery. The age of myth.

I sure can, at least until a rational argument is presented to cause me to reevaluate. "ya, cuz the Bible says so", most certainly doesn't qualify.


Tcg

[Zzyzx]

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So if the Bible claims, without any reason to believe otherwise from its own internal consistency, that the Earth was created sometime after 8000 BCE, then did the Egyptians, Sumerians, etc., watch God create everything?
How come they didn’t record it?

Is an age of the Earth claim actually present in the Bible?

[Willum]

[Replying to post 2 by Tart]

Is the genealogy of the Bible from Christ to Adam literal?

Genealogies were one of the most important thing they had back then.
If they couldn't get those right, the rest of the book is likely rubbish.
The genealogies in the Bible say how long its patrons lived, and so tell us, back to Adam and Eve, how old the world is.

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So if the Bible claims, without any reason to believe otherwise from its own internal consistency, that the Earth was created sometime after 8000 BCE, then did the Egyptians, Sumerians, etc., watch God create everything?
How come they didn’t record it?

Is an age of the Earth claim actually present in the Bible?

They probably didn't thinking about that as they were thinking the genealogies to validate the work... BUT one of the great determiners of whether something is true is if prediction can be made from it.