Just Makin' Stuff Up

SallyF · Post by **SallyF** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:04 pm

Elsewhere we have successfully demonstrated that the biblical god, Yahweh, is never shown to be anything other than imaginary.

Can we demonstrate here - beyond clutching at the odd verifiable name - that any of the biblical stories are anything more than people just makin' stuff up ?

Thomas123 · Post by **Thomas123** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:43 pm

Give me ten indisputable facts about, Boudica.

Please dont make it up!

Let's check if your 'facts' are contestable.

Is the Boudica narrative a made up myth?

Did she exist? Make a call.

Then go back a few thousand years, to Biblical pre history and use your newly acquired investigative skills to make an analytical evaluation that approximates to an answer to your own question!

SallyF · Post by **SallyF** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:30 pm

Thomas Mc Donald wrote: Give me ten indisputable facts about, Boudica.

Please dont make it up!

Let's check if your 'facts' are contestable.

Is the Boudica narrative a made up myth?

Did she exist? Make a call.

Then go back a few thousand years, to Biblical pre history and use your newly acquired investigative skills to make an analytical evaluation that approximates to an answer to your own question!

Your direct answer to the OP appears to be that we cannot determine that so much as a single biblical story is anything more that people just makin stuff up.

I won't be distracted into taking the spotlight off the biblical stories.

Thomas123 · Post by **Thomas123** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:43 pm

[Replying to post 3 by SallyF]

No problem, SallyF.

We have a saying up my way " If you can't walk the walk, then don't talk the talk"

I just felt that a bit of investigative legwork might show a commitment by you, to the spirit of real debate enquiry.

SallyF · Post by **SallyF** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:53 pm

Thomas Mc Donald wrote: [Replying to post 3 by SallyF]

No problem, SallyF.

We have a saying up my way " If you can't walk the walk, then don't talk the talk"

I just felt that a bit of investigative legwork might show a commitment by you, to the spirit of real debate enquiry.

I've been walking up the biblical garden path for a number of decades.

I've been investigating stories of gods and angels and virgins and talking donkeys and resurrections and such.

I've yet to find the tiniest squeak of anything resembling any sort of evidence whatsoever that a single one of them is anything more than people just makin' stuff up.

Please feel free to walk me along to the reality of a single biblical tale.

Thomas123 · Post by **Thomas123** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:13 pm

I think the talking donkey is a possible runner.
Up my way , we have another saying!
" ....that dog would talk to you"

It's often a border collie waiting for instructions from its hill farmer owner.

I personally, enjoy these stories. The donkey man was on a fool's errand and he didn't need much persuading. The donkey could smell trouble ,perhaps.

I was considering the death of the guy who touched the Ark. That had all the hallmarks of a freak workplace accident. I think the ox stumbled on him and he was fatally crushed. It got a bit blown up in the telling, without doubt and the story served its narrative purpose, but...
Workplace accidents involving heavy animals is all too common, unfortunately.
Can I prove any of this is based on an actual incident,...can you prove that a Boudica Queen led an army against the Romans. She might have been a contemporary of the Jesus figure if either of them are real. Did she ever ride a chariot?Where is she buried? Is there a recorded eye witness account of this figure.

At least concede to the difficulty of your 'ask' here. What is the most recent verifiable fact in the entire Bible. Surely you have one.
What about the upside down crucifixion of Peter?
Do you believe that? Is that in the Bible?

Zzyzx · Post by **Zzyzx** » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:57 pm

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Thomas Mc Donald wrote: Can I prove any of this is based on an actual incident,...

Evidently not. If anyone had verifiable evidence of any kind that a donkey spoke in human language as claimed, I trust they would present that evidence forthwith. If the tale is folklore, myth, fantasy, etc Apologists will demonstrate that by inability or unwillingness to provide supporting verifiable evidence.

Thomas Mc Donald wrote: can you prove that a Boudica Queen led an army against the Romans. She might have been a contemporary of the Jesus figure if either of them are real. Did she ever ride a chariot?Where is she buried? Is there a recorded eye witness account of this figure.

Does it make any difference in anyone's life or decisions today if the Queen did or did not do such things?

Has someone here presented the story as true and accurate?

To the contrary, Bible tales are presented and defended as being true and accurate.

Thomas Mc Donald wrote: At least concede to the difficulty of your 'ask' here.

If you can't prove it (provide verifiable supporting evidence) don't claim it or claim to know.

Thomas Mc Donald wrote: What is the most recent verifiable fact in the entire Bible. Surely you have one.

Surely I don't. It is not my responsibility to provide arguments for Apologists. I let them dig their own graves.

Thomas123 · Post by **Thomas123** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:39 am

[Replying to post 7 by Zzyzx]

Zzyzx: Does it make any difference in anyone's life or decisions today if the Queen did or did not do such things?

This example is not going away just yet.
As usual you make a very ' matter of fact' rebuttal of my considerations. I wouldn't have it any other way. It would be wonderful if your assertions were as solidly watertight as the are solidly stated.

There are many similarities between the remnants of history surrounding the Jesus figure and the Boudica figure of the same historical 1st Century age.

Use your matter of fact approach and make a call on her.

1.10 indisputable facts about her
or
2. Declare her to be complete fiction

This lady, if she was a woman, is big news in my part of the world.

Boudicca left a legacy of being viewed as an icon of nation resistance for the British and serves as an important cultural symbol. She has served as a heroine and role model for early feminism and inspiration. Boudicca has been a significant inspiration throughout the centuries to many strong women.

https://boudiccaa.weebly.com/boudiccas-legacy.html

https://www.livescience.com/37061-boudicca.html

. Despite being one of the first British women mentioned in history, there is no direct evidence that she even existed

https://www.historyextra.com/period/rom ... an-empire/

Zzyzx · Post by **Zzyzx** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:36 am

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Thomas Mc Donald wrote: Use your matter of fact approach and make a call on her.

1.10 indisputable facts about her
or
2. Declare her to be complete fiction

WHY would I 'make a call on her' when I have no interest in the matter and what is true or not true about her makes no difference to my society, my life, or my decisions?

Asking me to make a call is no more rational than asking me make a call regarding which team will win the World Series " I don't care at all -- and don't even care if there is a World Series.

Thomas Mc Donald wrote: This lady, if she was a woman, is big news in my part of the world.

So what? Should disinterested people be asked to participate in speculations?

How does any of this diversion have anything to do with the OP?

SallyF wrote: Can we demonstrate here - beyond clutching at the odd verifiable name - that any of the biblical stories are anything more than people just makin' stuff up ?

Thomas123 · Post by **Thomas123** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:05 am

Simple question ,Zzyzx!

Why are you especially interested in one 1st Century figure, but not the other?
When Zzyzx and SallyF converge in strategy I am bemused by unreasonableness
You ask me to play the game but refuse to play yourselves!

What is the 'special' difference?