Christianity, is this real?

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Christianity, is this real?

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I have a little question for our fellow Christian people;

Since Christianity is based on the fact that Jesus is the son of God.

And Christians have the bible, which they normally should accept. But why are there a contradicitions in the bible about Jesus (pbuh)?

The easiest example that comes up within me is;

Matthew Chapter 1 verse 1-2
1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham.


2 Abraham begot Isaac, and Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brethren.
And it goes further, but just the first verse is enough.

Now Jesus, son of David?

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abdullah he probably meant in the first verse that they are descendants from david and abraham, the real question is y go thru all the trouble of stating the genealogy of jesus son of joseph and showing that joseph is a descendant of david, when supposedly mary was a virgin, so joseph was only the step father. Jesus doesn't have joseph's DNA, so is not a descendant of david. If anything they should have done the genealogy of mary.
It is especially nice when they trace it back to adam and eve who did not exist. Awesome.
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I'd rather like a christian to answer as you completely deny the bible.

And christians don't ;)

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Abdullah wrote:I'd rather like a christian to answer as you completely deny the bible.

And christians don't ;)
What do u mean by that? i'm not fit to answer the question because i don't believe in the bible? i don't belive the lords of the rings but that doesn't forbid me from understanding the story or answering questions about it.
The bible is absurd and so is the koran by the way.
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Cogitoergosum wrote:The bible is absurd and so is the koran by the way.
Do you know enough of the Quran to make that assertion? I don't.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
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McCulloch wrote:
Cogitoergosum wrote:The bible is absurd and so is the koran by the way.
Do you know enough of the Quran to make that assertion? I don't.
I have read the koran and i can make the assertion, but i read it in arabic "my native language" (my second language is french, my third is actually english) so i can't really quote for u in english to see the basurdities in it. If i have time i'll read it in english if i can find it translated cause devout moslims refuse to translate it. Like if god only spoke arabic. Absurd.
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Abdullah wrote:I have a little question for our fellow Christian people;

Since Christianity is based on the fact that Jesus is the son of God.

And Christians have the bible, which they normally should accept. But why are there a contradicitions in the bible about Jesus (pbuh)?

The easiest example that comes up within me is;

Matthew Chapter 1 verse 1-2
1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham.

2 Abraham begot Isaac, and Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brethren.
And it goes further, but just the first verse is enough.

Now Jesus, son of David?
You need to understand 1st century colloquilisms. Many Jews considered themselves the "sons of Abraham" too, even though intermediary forefathers aren't mentioned.

I hope you have something better than that.

By the way, here's something for you:

Allah or Jesus?

by Rev. Rick Mathes (he is heavily involved in prison ministry)

Last month I (Rick Mathes) attended my annual training session that's required for
maintaining my state prison security clearance.

During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers
representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who
explained each of their belief systems.

I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say.
The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with
a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and
answers.

When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked:

"Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and
clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the
infidels of the world.

And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they
are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me
the definition of an infidel?"

There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation,
he replied, "Non-believers!"

I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers
of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your
faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?

The expression on his face changed from one of authority and
command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand
in the cookie jar.

He sheepishly replied, "Yes."

I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine the
Pope commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr.
Charles Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to
Heaven!"

The Imam was speechless.

I continued, "I also have problem with being your friend when you and
your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me.

Let me ask you a question.

Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go
to Heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to
Heaven and He wants you to be with me?"

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.

Jesus is Lord!

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Easyrider wrote:
<snip tall story>

Jesus is Lord!
This has all the earmarks of the evangalistic urban legend where some brave, intelligent religious Christian, with a brilliant display of logic , proves Jesus is God
to some poor, stupid, unimaginative athiest, muslim, jew, hindu etc.

Why do you feel the need to repeat these stories? They obviously are just stories to make evangalists feel good.

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goat wrote:
Easyrider wrote:
<snip tall story>

Jesus is Lord!
This has all the earmarks of the evangalistic urban legend where some brave, intelligent religious Christian, with a brilliant display of logic , proves Jesus is God
to some poor, stupid, unimaginative athiest, muslim, jew, hindu etc.

Why do you feel the need to repeat these stories? They obviously are just stories to make evangalists feel good.
Even if the story is made up (which I doubt) the principles are very real. Try dealing with what's real for a change.

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Easyrider wrote:
goat wrote:
Easyrider wrote:
<snip tall story>

Jesus is Lord!
This has all the earmarks of the evangalistic urban legend where some brave, intelligent religious Christian, with a brilliant display of logic , proves Jesus is God
to some poor, stupid, unimaginative athiest, muslim, jew, hindu etc.

Why do you feel the need to repeat these stories? They obviously are just stories to make evangalists feel good.
Even if the story is made up (which I doubt) the principles are very real. Try dealing with what's real for a change.
You put out a tall tail , and talk about "what's real for a change"?
The principle is not sound at all. The use of poor logic, building up a strawman of what others think, and mocking them is certainly not reality.

I suppose that it might make certain types feel better about themselves though.

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