The final proof

[Smersh]

I believe that one of the main reasons people place their faith in science is its ability to predict a phenomenon based on a theory.

Why don't we apply the same logic to Christianity? If The Teaching of Christianity accurately predicted a phenomenon, isn't it the evidence the theory as whole is correct?

Below is a prediction and its execution.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

http://www.verichipcorp.com/

Sure this is just the first step in this direction, however wouldn't you agree that this leaves little space to misinterpretation?

[Dionysus]

No, because you're reading into a passage a Fundamentalist quasi-anti-gloabalism that didn't exist even a hundred years ago and won't exist a hundred years from now.

Fundamentalist literalism is a phenomenon from the 1800's. I've no reason to accept your position.

[acamp1]

Seems to me one of the advantages of implants is that they DON'T leave a mark.

And where does it say it will be implanted on the hand or forehead?

Nothing to see here. Move along.

[byofrcs]

I believe that one of the main reasons people place their faith in science is its ability to predict a phenomenon based on a theory.

Why don't we apply the same logic to Christianity? If The Teaching of Christianity accurately predicted a phenomenon, isn't it the evidence the theory as whole is correct?

Below is a prediction and its execution.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

http://www.verichipcorp.com/

Sure this is just the first step in this direction, however wouldn't you agree that this leaves little space to misinterpretation?

It is not a mark. It leaves no mark other than a puncture wound which heals. My dog has a chip. The vet usually inserts them on the neck or leg. There is little subcutaneous flesh on the hand nor the forehead on both humans or dogs so that would be a poor place to insert RFID chips.

Putting aside serious stuff though. Let you on a secret; Revelation 13:16 is FICTIONAL. It isn't meant to be interpreted as being TRUE. Like Dante Alighieri Paradiso The Divine Comedy, it is ALLEGORICAL.

We all like some on the Fantasy genre stuff in the Bible and revelations is quite good example of this kind of fiction. It's a rip roaring yarn but I really prefer SciFi and there really isn't enough hard Scifi for me in the Bible.

Come back you've got footage of a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

OK ?.

ps: If it has a Japanese sound track and produced by a company that normally does Anime then I don't think it would be creditable. Ideally *please* BBC, CNN or Reuters and the like. Hey we'd even accept FOX News.

[McCulloch]

I believe that one of the main reasons people place their faith in science is its ability to predict a phenomenon based on a theory.

Why don't we apply the same logic to Christianity? If The Teaching of Christianity accurately predicted a phenomenon, isn't it the evidence the theory as whole is correct?

Below is a prediction and its execution.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

http://www.verichipcorp.com/

Sure this is just the first step in this direction, however wouldn't you agree that this leaves little space to misinterpretation?

I don't agree. I am small or great, rich or poor, free or bond. I don't have a mark on my right hand or on my forehead. Therefore, this prediction has not been fulfilled.

Are you trying to imply that the VeriChip corporation is the Beast from the Earth, predicted in Rev 13? Do you really think that science draws its conclusions from such flimsy logic?

[MikeH]

There are some aspects of this chip theory that could be pretty strong if they came to pass. Say, for example, the entire world turned to one banking system, and there was no paper money, and you could only buy or sell through credits using your "chip," and the chip could only be on the hand or forehead: In my opinion this would be a fulfillment of the prophesy that nobody could buy or sell without the mark.

The other problem, mentioned already, is the visible/invisible mark. The chip is entirely unnoticeable, so would there also be a mark that went along with it? A visa or mastercard logo on your face? If that came to pass, I would call it the mark of the beast out of the sheer ugliness of it.

[respectman]

I believe that one of the main reasons people place their faith in science is its ability to predict a phenomenon based on a theory.

Why don't we apply the same logic to Christianity? If The Teaching of Christianity accurately predicted a phenomenon, isn't it the evidence the theory as whole is correct?

Below is a prediction and its execution.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

http://www.verichipcorp.com/

Sure this is just the first step in this direction, however wouldn't you agree that this leaves little space to misinterpretation?

someone has been watching alex jones too much.

revelations has as much credibility as noah's flood and like most 'predictions', they are incredibly vague, thus allowing people to bend the truth to 'fulfill' the prophecy. did nostradomus really predict 9-11, or are people willing to fool themselves and actually believe a man can predict events hundreds of years into the future?

given the economics of currency, the most efficient medium of exchange is one which is easily dividable, easily carried, and most universally accepted. electronic money fits this bill so there is no doubt this will eventually happen, but it wont be b/c of the anti-christ giving everyone the 'mark' and trying to take over the world.

[Assent]

I believe that one of the main reasons people place their faith in science is its ability to predict a phenomenon based on a theory.

Why don't we apply the same logic to Christianity? If The Teaching of Christianity accurately predicted a phenomenon, isn't it the evidence the theory as whole is correct?

I would like to address this part of your post. Science is not quite as simple as you put it.

Step 1: Observe a phenomena.
Step 2: Based on what occurred, create a hypothesis about what would happen under similar circumstances.
Step 3: Repeat the conditions of the phenomena while keeping all other variables as stable as possible. If the phenomena cannot be repeated purposefully, wait for the next time it may occur naturally.
Step 4: If your hypothesis is correct after repeated tests, then it qualifies as a theory. If your theory hold completely true in every single test, it may be called a "law."

The events described in Revelations are not theories, but predictions, if not allegories. The author would have to have observed marks being placed on the hand or forehead at the time of writing, and then hypothesized that future governments would place marks upon their subjects' hands and foreheads for that passage to be a theory.

[OnceConvinced]

Some Christians believe that the mark is a purely symbolic thing. If you accept Christ, you take his mark. If not, then you take the mark of the anti-christ.

[Flail]

One doesn't have 'faith in science'...faith is an all abiding trust without the necessity of proof ...science is proof...no faith needed...