Sense of supiority

[Nilloc James]

I am sorry if you are Christan and this does not apply to you.

I have noticed a disturbing trend of Christians believing they are better than all of faiths or lack of.

Would one please say why they believe/disbelieve this in the case of those who do not.

[drs]

I am sorry if you are Christan and this does not apply to you.

I have noticed a disturbing trend of Christians believing they are better than all of faiths or lack of.

Would one please say why they believe/disbelieve this in the case of those who do not.

This is the reason we tell you to come to CHRIST, not because we our better but because this is the only way.


LORD JESUS CHRIST is the only way to GOD and all other ways are false.

This is why GOD has commanded we preach the gospel to all the world so that those who repent and believe in CHRIST will have eternal life.


There is the narrrow gate which leads to life through CHRIST.

And there is the wide gate that leads to destruction.



Matthew 7 (New King James Version)
The Narrow Way

13 Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.


Belief in CHRIST = eternal life

Non belief = condemnation



John 3 (New King James Version)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God

[Nilloc James]

But who are you or any other christain to say who is right and wrong.
Why can you say everyone besides yourself is wrong.

They have made claims no more radical than you, in many cases simpiler and preach the same morals.

Why does it matte which god or none at all you worship if you are a good person.

[drs]

But who are you or any other christain to say who is right and wrong.
Why can you say everyone besides yourself is wrong.

They have made claims no more radical than you, in many cases simpiler and preach the same morals.

Why does it matte which god or none at all you worship if you are a good person.

First GOD has said all have sinned


Romans 3 (New King James Version)
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God



So all need to repent for sin


Luke 24 (New King James Version)
46 Then He said to them, Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise[h] from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. 49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.



There are no GOD'S behind the false religion/ faith's of the world


The devil, his Demonic forces and people of the world will try to lead you away from the truth of CHRIST.





1 Peter 5 (New King James Version

Submit to God, Resist the Devil

5 Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for


God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble.

6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, 7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because[c] your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. 9 Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world. 10 But may[d] the God of all grace, who called us[e] to His eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a while, perfect, establish, strengthen, and settle you. 11 To Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.






1 Timothy 4 (New King James Version)

1 Timothy 4
The Great Apostasy
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.



2 John 1 (New King James Version)

Beware of Antichrist Deceivers

7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we[c] may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses[d] and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; 11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

[Nilloc James]

You did not answer the question. Why, without quoting the bible are you supiorior. You may make claims, but until you back them up they are just the, claims.

Please if you give me a reason besides the bible I am willing to listen.

One can not use a text to proves that the text is right, if that logic stands all religions with a book are correct and christains definitly have no reason for their sense of supiority. You can not use the bible says so if you can not prove that book is correct.

If everything that is writen is correct harry potter is real, as well as anything in print. Until you back up the claims from the bible it is no more acurate than the Illiad

[drs]

You did not answer the question. Why, without quoting the bible are you supiorior. You may make claims, but until you back them up they are just the, claims.

Please if you give me a reason besides the bible I am willing to listen.

One can not use a text to proves that the text is right, if that logic stands all religions with a book are correct and christains definitly have no reason for their sense of supiority. You can not use the bible says so if you can not prove that book is correct.

If everything that is writen is correct harry potter is real, as well as anything in print. Until you back up the claims from the bible it is no more acurate than the Illiad

I took this from one of my posts today I cut out some parts but I am sorry if it is hard for you to understand.



Have you ever heard the term I believe in faith?

People are always asking for prove of GOD, How do I know CHRIST is true

But here is the problem


Because of worldly thinking, logic and wisdom you will never see GOD and know CHRIST
(Faith is a gift from GOD so worldly wisdom will not allow you to have this.)


It is true faith and love that please GOD that is why he gives you these gifts when you are reborn, So you can say FATHER and he will hear you.
(Above all love GOD with all your heart and soul.)





And yes worldly wisdom is good for worldly things but useless to come to faith in CHRIST. Now the difference is when you are reborn in CHRIST GOD gives you heavenly wisdom to govern worldly wisdom so as to stay true to GOD in all things.

(When you come to faith is CHRIST, GOD will grant you wisdom to help you make good desicions in this world while staying true to CHRIST.
Your corrupted worldly wisdom will be taken over by heavenly wisdom to give you the ability to make choices that are right in the sight of GOD and not the world.
Then as you continue in faith GOD stengthens you in His ways so that you may be able to serve him with a pure and true heart and worldly thinking and corruption pass away.)




because when you are reborn in CHRIST knowing truth you die to the world concerning sin and life here becomes a first priority to serve GOD.


(You are a new creation in CHRIST)

2 Corinthians 5
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.


Science can be good medical research can be good but when science over steps its bounds and denys GOD and his creation that is when it becomes wrong.
That is one example.
And this has to do with everything so judgment calls must be made all the time so as to keep true to GOD while living in the world.


(All the time you must be using the wisdom GOD gives you so that you are kept clean from the world and its ways.)




Now that I am part of the body of CHRIST all forms of sexual sin must go.
just 1 example of death to sin.
(The world teaches that all forms of sexual sin are acceptable and good.)


All who are born again need much wisdom and stength from GOD to live a life that is true before GOD in this world.




(The self proclaimed wise of this world are foolish in the sight of GOD)


1 Corinthians 1 (New King James Version)

Christ the Power and Wisdom of God

18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:


I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.[a]

20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
Glory Only in the Lord

26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God"and righteousness and sanctification and redemption" 31 that, as it is written, He who glories, let him glory in the LORD.[c]

[Nilloc James]

So you can say FATHER and he will hear you.

Satanists make a near identical claim that Satan listens to and cares as well.

So it is not a uniquly christain concept and does not jusify their sense of supioroity.

Because of worldly thinking, logic and wisdom you will never see GOD and know

Logic says the intracable and the non-existant are very similar.

(Faith is a gift from GOD so worldly wisdom will not allow you to have this.)

If faith is a gift than it is cruel to punish those without it.

According to the bible those without faith will be punished, so by denying someone faith god has damned them. something a loving god would never do.

If a religion followsa malevont diety as shown why would they feel supirior over others for it?

[drs]

So you can say FATHER and he will hear you.

Satanists make a near identical claim that Satan listens to and cares as well.

So it is not a uniquly christain concept and does not jusify their sense of supioroity.

Because of worldly thinking, logic and wisdom you will never see GOD and know

Logic says the intracable and the non-existant are very similar.

(Faith is a gift from GOD so worldly wisdom will not allow you to have this.)

If faith is a gift than it is cruel to punish those without it.

According to the bible those without faith will be punished, so by denying someone faith god has damned them. something a loving god would never do.

If a religion followsa malevont diety as shown why would they feel supirior over others for it?

And this is one reason why people are guilty of sin because of pride and worldly thinking they decide that GOD is unfair and they refuse to repent and forsake sin.

No one can understand the ways of GOD which are so much higher than our own.

People judge what they don't understand.

GOD has said you must give up your pride and humble yourself before HIM

GOD is HOLY but the world can not understand because they are corrupted in there ways and their thinking.

I have told others this just because you don't have faith does not mean you can not humbly kneel before GOD and ask for GOD to allow you to believe so that you may repent for sin and have a new life in CHRIST .

Most are unwilling to do this because to become a disciple of CHRIST will cost you the world.

LORD JESUS said this


verse 26 CHRIST uses the word hate to contrast the greater love you should have for CHRIST above all.

Forsake all means be willing to give up whatever is needed to serve the kingdom.

Also be warned that coming to true faith in CHRIST may cost you friends and family.

To truly come to CHRIST it is a all or nothing deal He gave his live on the cross as a sin attonement for all who will believe in Him

So when you believe and become reborn you die to sin(give up the things of the world) and live for what is eternal to love and worship GOD with all your heart and soul.


Luke 14 (New King James Version)
Leaving All to Follow Christ

25 Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, 26 If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. 27 And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. 28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it" 29 lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, 30 saying, This man began to build and was not able to finish? 31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? 32 Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace. 33 So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.

[msmcneal]

drs: Please answer the questions. Denying the role of the mind and our thought processes robs us of the only means we have to determine whether or not god exists. It's illogical to take the Bible on faith, without any means of backing up it's claims from an objective position. The Bible itself is a contradictory book, full of myth and legend. If that is the only means we have to say that the Christian point of view is correct, then no thanks. I gave it up, and I don't plan on going back. Doing nothing but quoting Bible verses and preaching is not the way to win a debate, or even debate at all, without any kind of objective evidence. If all you want to do is preach, maybe this board isn't for you. There are other places to do that, but this is not one of them. Please use accepted debate tactics, and please quit preaching. Most of us here have heard it all before, and have not idly rejected it, but rejected it based off of logic and reason. The claims you make can be said of any other religion. I can sit here and do the same with Islam, Judaism, Baha'i, Sikhism, and any other host of religions that are out there.

[JoeyKnothead]

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This is the reason we tell you to come to CHRIST, not because we our better but because this is the only way.
LORD JESUS CHRIST is the only way to GOD and all other ways are false.
This is why GOD has commanded we preach the gospel to all the world so that those who repent and believe in CHRIST will have eternal life.

Please provide evidence for:
1- Belief/worship of Jesus is the only way to God
2- All other religions are false
3- God has commanded (as opposed to humans claiming God has commanded)
4- Those who believe in Jesus will have eternal life.

These are your claims. Please be an honorable debater and either prove them or retract them.

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There are no GOD'S behind the false religion/ faith's of the world
The devil, his Demonic forces and people of the world will try to lead you away from the truth of CHRIST.

Please provide evidence for:
5- There are no other God than the one you propose
6- The God you propose exists
7- The Devil exists
8- The Devil has demonic forces and people
9- The forces and people are trying to lead folks from belief in Christ

I note here, you insist some demonic forces are trying to impede the truth of Christ. I ask you to be an honorable debater and prove the truth of your claims, or retract them.

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I took this from one of my posts today I cut out some parts but I am sorry if it is hard for you to understand.

Circular reasoning is often hard for a lot of folks to understand. Fantastical claims are often even harder to understand.
This is why folks ask for evidence for claims.

Have you ever heard the term I believe in faith?

It's usually followed by words like, "I can't prove any of these fantastical claims, you just gotta belief despite all your senses being insulted due to the fantastical nature of these claims."

People are always asking for prove of GOD, How do I know CHRIST is true

Dang pesky folks and their requests for evidence!

But here is the problem
Because of worldly thinking, logic and wisdom you will never see GOD and know CHRIST
(Faith is a gift from GOD so worldly wisdom will not allow you to have this.)

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. It is your wisdom, your logic, your understanding of the processes of the world that makes God and Jesus hide from you!
Logic and knowledge do seem to preclude a belief in the unprovable.
Notice the Bible is chock full of this kind of garbage. Where folks don't accept the fantastical claims they are fools, demons, antichrists, all manner of insults and slander.
It is imperative that religion demonizes its opponents, lest they, in their logic and knowledge, topple the whole religious house of cards.

And yes worldly wisdom is good for worldly things but useless to come to faith in CHRIST. Now the difference is when you are reborn in CHRIST GOD gives you heavenly wisdom to govern worldly wisdom so as to stay true to GOD in all things.

Again, wisdom is useless when it comes to Jesus.
Religion can't tolerate wisdom because it produces folks who would question what they are told. Wisdom produces folks who are more apt to reject fantastical claims without asking for proof.
Notice the Intelligent Design folks. Where they are unable to get their ideas accepted in colleges and universities, they have to resort to teaching such nonsense in grade school. Even here they have to 'stealth' into law such practices.

When you come to faith is CHRIST, GOD will grant you wisdom to help you make good desicions in this world while staying true to CHRIST.

Notice here, if you already have wisdom, God seems to want nothing to do with you. But if you come as unwise, then God will grant you some of the wisdom He himself would initially reject you over.
I propose this is a tactic bordering on brainwashing, if not the actuall brainwashing machine.

Your corrupted worldly wisdom will be taken over by heavenly wisdom to give you the ability to make choices that are right in the sight of GOD and not the world.

Notice the wording. Your wisdom, built upon your experiences of the world around you is "corrupted". But just as soon as you start to believe in these fantastical, unproven, sense assaulting tales, your wisdom suddenly becomes "heavenly".
Poppycock.

I'm not sure who to credit, but I heard it said recently, "The only difference between a cult and a religion is the number of politicians one controls".

Here we see this cultish thinking. Anything you've learned outside of religion is potentially harmful to religion, due to this wisdom being built on observation of the world around you. In order to pass off these fantastical, unproven, sense assaulting claims religion must demonize all that you've learned in order to get you to accept the claims of religion.

Then as you continue in faith GOD stengthens you in His ways so that you may be able to serve him with a pure and true heart and worldly thinking and corruption pass away.)

Notice more of the same wording. Demonize all knowledge and action other than those promoted by a given religious doctrine.
Religion doesn't want thinkers, it wants sheep.

because when you are reborn in CHRIST knowing truth you die to the world concerning sin and life here becomes a first priority to serve GOD.

Prove it.
You claim belief in Christ is knowing truth.

Prove it.

Prove the claims I've documented above.

Don't preach.

Don't tell me the Bible says so.

Prove your claims are truth.

Notice how religious folks make the fantastical, unproven, sense assaulting claims, then use the 'truth in Christ' disclaimer. Here, where a claim can't be shown to be true, it can be a 'truth in Christ'.

>I am not a trained psychologist, my comments below are opinion based on a lifetime of amateur study. I offer these opinions as reasoned assumptions based on my understanding of how these things work. Where I lack physical/written evidence, I am prepared to defend these claims with reason and logic<

I contend these statements of 'truth in Christ' are a type of mental reinforcement. I notice this term is more often than not used when fantastical, unprovable claims are made. I propose this term is designed to skirt around the issue of evidence. When a claim can't be proven, it can be justified by the qualifier 'truth in Christ'. Everything can be 'truth in Christ', where faith in the unprovable rules the day. Not everything can be 'truth'.

Ok, back to drs' claims:

All the time you must be using the wisdom GOD gives you so that you are kept clean from the world and its ways.

Again, repeatedly, and with predictablitiy, we see that your wisdom based on your experiences in the real world are 'unclean'. You are a dirty, dirty person, you. Only with God can you be cleansed. Only by believing in the unbelievable will you be considered 'clean'.
More demonizing of anything perceived as a threat to religion.

Now that I am part of the body of CHRIST all forms of sexual sin must go.

Well count me out, I like sex.

The self proclaimed wise of this world are foolish in the sight of GOD

Now the demonizing is just getting ridiculous.
How can you convince a thinking person that what their own senses tell them is wrong? You slander, you smear, you lie, you do whatever you gotta do to ensure religion is supported.
Who can not see that this whole line of bunk is the handiwork of human beings?

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No one can understand the ways of GOD which are so much higher than our own.

But don't worry, drs has it all sorted out for you.

People judge what they don't understand.

But all that hating of wisdom, and demonizing anything that contradicts religion ain't judging. That's just trying to help you, honest.