Athetotheist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 07, 2025 10:36 amThat's not what I'm arguing. I'm pointing out that there
isn't any horizontal image transfer, and the point is that there
should be if the cloth covered a 3-dimensional body.
Right, I'm agreeing there is no horizontal image transfer. There should be horizontal image transfer
only if the image is produced by the cloth directly touching an actual body. As I already stated, no Shroud scholar is proposing this, so it's a straw man attack.
or the cloth collapsed vertically and interacted with the body (cloth collapse).
This speculation proceeds from the presumption that the body simply vanished.
What we have is the evidence there is only vertical imaging. And then we propose what is the most reasonable explanation to account for all the evidence.
It wouldn't work anyway, because vertial imaging on "cloth collapse" would overlay the detail from the successive layers of the body through which the cloth collapsed and the resulting image on the cloth would be a featureless blur.
The cloth collapse theory is more detailed than you're describing it. Since we do not see a featureless blur, it's evidence the body disappeared while the cloth was collapsing. I've given more details in
Cloth collapse theory.
There's the most likely possibility----that the image was taken from a relief rendering and that there isn't any horizontal image transfer because there simply wasn't a full 3-dimensional form for horizontal detail to be transferred from.
That's not likely because there are so many features of the Shroud imagin that are not explained - photonegativity, 3-D properties, superficial discoloring of the top 2-3 fibers of a thread, fibers discolored next to those not discolored, no evidence of any pigment/stain/dye, and no evidence of any rubbing. And these are just the features of the image. Nothing explains all the other features of the Shroud - blood, cloth, pollen, etc.
If anyone is going to claim how the Shroud was created by an artist, one cannot just point to single argument and then make such a conclusion. Even the author admits, "The study does not address physical or chemical aspects related to the formation of the image, such as the presence of pigments, microscopic analysis, or the properties of the fabric materials. Nor does it investigate the dynamics of bodily fluids, such as blood flow."