Where did Lucifer come from?

[ST88]

If Satan is/was a fallen angel, why wasn't the battle in Heaven mentioned in Genesis?

[nikolayevich]

Can you clarify the question? Why would fallen angel = must be written of in Genesis?

[ST88]

Can you clarify the question? Why would fallen angel = must be written of in Genesis?

In my version of the bible (NAS), Satan spoke through the snake to tempt Eve. Therefore, there must be some sort of back story where Lucifer had become Satan prior to this.

If my Bible is incorrect, and the snake was acting on his own, then the title question still stands -- where did Lucifer come from?

[Arch]

Can you clarify the question? Why would fallen angel = must be written of in Genesis?

I think he means it should be in Genesis, because supposedly the battle in heaven predates the origination of man on earth. Satan being cast down to the earth.

Actually as the story is told it is the fight over the creation of man that sparks the battle between god and satan. Either way him being casted out of heaven onto the earth "obviously I guess", should have happened somewhere during the time of genesis.

So I think the question is very valid, why isnt this story in genesis.

Add on question....... Why was satan allowed in the garden of eden in the first place, what kind of paradise has the devil in it?[/b]

[otseng]

If Satan is/was a fallen angel, why wasn't the battle in Heaven mentioned in Genesis?

I'll respond by asking, why should it be in Genesis? And actually, throughout the entire Bible, comparatively little is said on demonology.

[adherent]

A lot of things aren't written in the Bible, so why should the story of lucifer be? I think Satan was allowed in Eden to tempt them (sorta like Satan and Job).

What's NAS version?

[dangerdan]

Add on question....... Why was satan allowed in the garden of eden in the first place, what kind of paradise has the devil in it?

Yeah, doesn’t sound much like paradise to me.

Actually, a lot of bibles don’t seem to say it was the devil tempting Eve, most just say it was a serpent, which it says was the most cunning creature God created. I personally don’t think their theology had extended to include the concept of “the devil” when these text were being written. When we say the serpent was the devil, we are reading into it. I actually think the authors of Genesis would have been thinking it was literally just a serpent (which presumably had legs before God cursed it to slither around with no legs, which is meant to be undignified I presume).

Anyway, getting back to the topic at hand… Where did the devil come from? Well, correct me if I am theologically mistaken, but I thought God made everything.

[adherent]

Yep, even lucifer. too bad he turned out to be a rotten egg

[Corvus]

My Oxford dictionary (a very reliable 60s edition) on Lucifer:

2. By misunderstanding of Isa. xiv.12 (where the Hebrew epithet 'shining one', translated as Lucifer in the Vulgate, is applied to the king of Babylon), Satan, the rebel archangel, before his fall.

I searched for the history of Lucifer and found this bible study page.

[ST88]

My Oxford dictionary (a very reliable 60s edition) on Lucifer:

2. By misunderstanding of Isa. xiv.12 (where the Hebrew epithet 'shining one', translated as Lucifer in the Vulgate, is applied to the king of Babylon), Satan, the rebel archangel, before his fall.

I searched for the history of Lucifer and found this bible study page.

This is interesting. That the New Testament prophets take something like this in Isaiah out of context is not surprising. I guess it is surprising that so much has been made out of this and of Ezekiel 28:12 about the King of Tyre. Did we really need a doctrine about Satan even though there was little evidence for such a creature?

I understand that Jews do not believe in Hell or Satan, only the well of souls. Going strictly by the Old Testament, I wonder if these interpretations really do fall away. I have too much of the New Testament in my head to make that determination, but it's interesting to ponder.