Who identified Jesus for us?

marco · Post by **marco** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:27 pm

Many believe Jesus was chosen by God to wander around and say nice things. Many believe Jesus was God himself. The question is, on whose authority do people take Jesus to be anything other than a bachelor who lived till he as thirty, with his parents, then spouted the Scripture he'd been fed on?

Who says Jesus was special and what is their qualification for saying so?

And who said Jesus is God and on what basis did they make this claim? In this case, why didn't the claimants explain the problem of two Gods rolled into one?

brunumb · Post by **brunumb** » Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:07 pm

1213 wrote:
Clownboat wrote: â€¦By what I know, the religion Paul created contradicts the teachings reported by a Jesus.
Therefore, Paul is not from Bible God.
I have not seen any real contradiction in the Bible. The contradictions have always been in the interpretations or assumptions people have.

That's a two-way street 1213. The lack of contradictions have always been in the interpretations or assumptions people have.

Difflugia · Post by **Difflugia** » Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:32 am

1213 wrote:I have not seen any real contradiction in the Bible. The contradictions have always been in the interpretations or assumptions people have.

One of the assumptions that I have is that the Bible writers meant what they wrote. Inerrantists don't share that assumption with me, which limits our ability to have meaningful conversations about biblical contradiction.

1213 · Post by **1213** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:53 pm

Difflugia wrote:
1213 wrote:I have not seen any real contradiction in the Bible. The contradictions have always been in the interpretations or assumptions people have.
One of the assumptions that I have is that the Bible writers meant what they wrote. Inerrantists don't share that assumption with me, which limits our ability to have meaningful conversations about biblical contradiction.

I think that is good assumption, I also assume the writers mean what they said. By that way I have not seen any contradictions in the Bible.

1213 · Post by **1213** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:54 pm

brunumb wrote:
1213 wrote:
Clownboat wrote: â€¦By what I know, the religion Paul created contradicts the teachings reported by a Jesus.
Therefore, Paul is not from Bible God.
I have not seen any real contradiction in the Bible. The contradictions have always been in the interpretations or assumptions people have.
That's a two-way street 1213. The lack of contradictions have always been in the interpretations or assumptions people have.

If so, why choose the contradictory interpretation instead of noncontradictory? What if I would begin to intentionally make contradictory interpretations of what you say and twist what you meant to mean something totally different?

Difflugia · Post by **Difflugia** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:56 pm

1213 wrote:I think that is good assumption, I also assume the writers mean what they said. By that way I have not seen any contradictions in the Bible.

To whom did each Gospel writer say Peter addressed his three denials?

Mark: A servant girl, the same servant girl, the bystanders
Matthew: A servant girl, a different servant girl, the bystanders.
Luke: A servant girl, a man, a different man.
John: A servant girl, "they," one of the servants.

Is that also what they meant?

brunumb · Post by **brunumb** » Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:15 pm

[Replying to post 54 by 1213]

If so, why choose the contradictory interpretation instead of noncontradictory? What if I would begin to intentionally make contradictory interpretations of what you say and twist what you meant to mean something totally different?

When the contradiction is quite apparent without any twisting of the text, then trying to establish non-contradiction becomes the deliberate choice with an obvious motive behind it.