God can't Heal the Criminally Ill

[Divine Insight]

The old worn-out apology that God can't heal the criminally ill because he doesn't want to turn us into robots doesn't hold water.

Surely everyone will agree that it is sick to want to do evil things. It's not a healthy state of mind. It would be ludicrous to claim that it is healthy.

Therefore people who have a desire to do bad things are mentally unhealthy.

Healing people who are mentally unhealthy does not turn them into robots.

In fact, think about. If you had a brain tumor that was causing you to do horrible things and a doctor discovered you brain tumor was the cause of your evil thoughts and behavior and removed the brain tumor you would be forever grateful to the doctor for having healed your problem.

The same thing necessarily holds true evil humans. They thoughts are not healthy thoughts. No one can argue with that. Therefore their mind is not a healthy mind.

Thus a God who could heal the criminally insane would be doing them a great favor and not turning them into simple-minded robots.

So the excuse that God cannot create mentally healthy humans is a failed apology. There is no excuse for a God who cannot create perfectly healthy human beings.

And even if we allowed that this God might be inept as a creator, it would be absurd to try to claim that the God can't even heal those who have unhealthy thoughts. We would end up having a God who is basically incapable of doing much of anything correctly.

So there is no excuse for any humans that have been created by an intelligent God to have unhealthy thoughts.

These apologies that you are being fed by this religion simply don't hold water. In order to believe these apologies you would need to embrace the idea that the God is an inept creator who can't even create healthy humans. Nor could he heal the unhealthy ones.

So this religion has been pulling the wool over your eyes for centuries. There is no excuse for a God who creates mentally unhealthy humans, and can't even heal them.

The only way you could try to salvage this apology is to try to claim that having evil thoughts and desires is not unhealthy. But think of how silly such an excuse would be.

There simply is no excuse for a God who either creates unhealthy humans, or one that cannot heal unhealthy humans to the point where he needs to cast them into eternal damnation. If they are defective no one can be blamed for that but the God who created them.

So Christianity has nothing but lies to off us. There is no God who is going to cast unhealthy people into hell for not being healthy. It simply makes no sense. If a God actually existed that God could have created all healthy humans in the first place. Or at the very least, he could heal them rather than sending them off to be eternally punished like as if it was their fault for being sick.

If there is a creator God who created humans. that this God would be responsible for the mental health of every single human. Without exception.

Christianity tries to place the blame on humans for being unhealthy, but that simply cannot be made to work.

Question for Debate:

How can anyone continue to defend these obviously failed apologies for this religion? The claim that God doesn't want robots is a failed apology. Being healed does not make a person a robot.

[Purple Knight]

if you claim it is not the person who wants the evil things, I think you should provide the reason, or source, what causes person to want and do evil things, if it is not the will of person.

I would say the person's desires are inherently separate from the person's free will.

Every fat girl who wants ice cream but doesn't want to want ice cream knows this that desires are not contained within free will.

A person's emotions are also not really of their will. I don't choose to be upset when I'm faced with my own faults. I have an instinct to misdirect and I try my best not to, but that doesn't take away the initial bad reaction, which I did not choose.

[otseng]

There is no evidence any god actually exists, let alone can heal anyone.

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[Divine Insight]

It makes no sense to try to claim that people who desire to do sick things have healthy minds.

"It doesn't matter what you believe".

You're right. It doesn't matter what I believe. But what I just stated above is a tautology independent of what anyone believes, including me.

This is a major flaw with Christian theology. You need to believe that perfectly healthy people choose to do horrible things because they have perfectly healthy minds and have chosen to do horrible things.

if you claim it is not the person who wants the evil things, I think you should provide the reason, or source, what causes person to want and do evil things, if it is not the will of person.

I already did. It's an unhealthy mind. That's the source of what causes people to want to do horrible things. That's necessarily true because of the tautology I previously explained.

It makes no sense to say that someone who enjoys torturing babies has a "healthy mind".

Why would a person who has a healthy mind freely chose to want to torture babies?

If this is not true, then why should you think that someone who does want to molest children is just as mentally healthy as you but for some unknown reason they have a desire to do things that you have no desire to do?

People desire different things. If you think it is a health issue, please show how it is health issue and not just persons different free will. if in that case it is result of a disease, does that mean that all different tastes are result of an unhealthy mind? If people would have healthy mind, would it mean they have same will as you have in every thing?

We can have different tastes and desires without one desire necessarily being unhealthy.

My sister and I are a prefect example of this. She loves cities and city life. I prefer nature and rural life. Different tastes. Neither of which is evil.

We can have different desires that are still quite healthy.

What you are avoiding is addressing choices that the vast majority of us agree are 'unhealthy' choices and unhealthy desires.

If secularism is true and there is no creator God, then it should come as no surprise that everyone does not have a perfectly healthy mind.

However, if there exists a creator God who designs humans and can cure the mentally ill, then there's no excuse for any human to not have a perfectly healthy mind.

And more importantly in Christian theology is that it would make no sense for a God to punish those who do have unhealthy minds. Why not just cure them?

And why did this God allow them to become unhealthy in the first place?

Remember, it make no sense to say that a person who has a healthy mind would chose to do unhealthy things. Therefore we can't blame a person's free will as the culprit for them having chosen to have an unhealthy mind. Unless, of course we claim that their will isn't free after all. But either way, the person is vindicated and therefore wouldn't deserve to be punished.

In fact, if you stop and think about it the entire Christian theology is based upon the idea that punishing people makes some sort of sense.

It doesn't.

[1213]

I would say the person's desires are inherently separate from the person's free will.

That sounds schizophrenic.

Every fat girl who wants ice cream but doesn't want to want ice cream knows this that desires are not contained within free will.

Desire means a strong feeling of wanting to have something or wishing for something to happen. It is same as will. It may be that person would not want to want something, but still, she has free will and wants ice-cream. There is no limit in her free will, she strongly wants ice-cream, and no one or nothing is limiting the will. It is possible to want many things, and some of them can be contradictory. Then what person wants the most, she does, if she can.

[1213]

I already did. It's an unhealthy mind. That's the source of what causes people to want to do horrible things. That's necessarily true because of the tautology I previously explained.

Sorry, circular reasoning doesnt work.

Why would a person who has a healthy mind freely chose to want to torture babies?

Because he thinks it is good to do so.

However, if there exists a creator God who designs humans and can cure the mentally ill, then there's no excuse for any human to not have a perfectly healthy mind.

Yes, and I dont believe people who do bad or evil things are mentally ill and do the acts because of something forces them to do bad things. It is by their own free will and there is no one else they can blame for their own evil actions. I think it is really bad to try to give excuse for evil people to continue to do evil things as if it would be some kind of outside force that makes them do them.

If you think it is some kind of health reason, please provide evidence for what is causing person to do bad things against his own will? If you cant provide any evidence for this, there is n point in continuing this.