The Most Evil God

SallyF · Post by **SallyF** » Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:42 pm

Is the biblical Jehovah the most EVIL god ever imagined ?

Post by **Tcg** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:04 pm

1213 wrote:
Tcg wrote:
In both of these examples we see that favoritism is the guiding factor, not righteousness.
Sorry, I disagree with you. it was possible for others to also become a Jew and have the same rights.

If favoritism was not in play, they'd not need to become Israelites to have the same rights. The fact remains that they did not have the same rights. Favoritism was indeed the driving force, not righteousness.

Tcg

SallyF · Post by **SallyF** » Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:24 pm

1213 wrote:
SallyF wrote: And we have determined in this forum that more evidence is offered for the existence of the Loch Ness Monster than there is for the existence of Jehovah.

And we have
Interesting that you are speaking of your self in plural. Sorry, you offer nothing to support that belief of yours.

This was not a statement of believe. I do not use the word belief except in realtion to gods and angels and fairies and such. It was a conditional conclusion based on availabe evidence.

Check the Jehovah and the Loch Ness Monster topic.

Dodgy evidence was offered for the existence of Nessie.

Absolutely ZERO evidence is EVER offered for the existence of Jehovah.

The mythological biblical god some folks still try to pass off as God with a capital G ...

To the exclusion of all other lowercase gods

None of which are shown to be more imaginary than Jehovah

brunumb · Post by **brunumb** » Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:06 am

1213 wrote:
brunumb wrote: According to the text, the pharaoh was ready to capitulate but God hardened his heart so that he changed his mind and the plagues continued.
That the plague ended, hardened pharaohs heart. When things were well, pharaoh thought that he would keep the slaves.

I am getting the distinct impression that you have a different understanding of "hardening of the heart".

When the pharaoh was ready to release the Hebrews, God caused him to change his mind by hardening his heart. As a result it was necessary for God to continue to impose the plagues until the pharaoh gave in. God is directly responsible for all the damage and bloodshed caused by the plagues. It was all from his hand. The pharaoh did nothing other than resist an omnipotent being. God could have achieved the desired outcome without any of the plagues at all.

It is hard to understand why this whole episode is included in the Bible as it paints God in a very bad picture. By the way, we now have more probable explanations for the events that became mythologised as the biblical plagues. All natural events. Of course ancient, superstitious people were always attributing such catastrophic events to their gods.

https://www.livescience.com/58638-scien ... agues.html

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/ten-p ... terference

TheGreatDebate · Post by **TheGreatDebate** » Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:04 pm

This is a response to most of the posters on this thread.

The main argument seems to be settling on Moses and the Exodus. Moses represented Gods will according to the Bible. Pharaoh wanted to release the Israelites several times until God hardened his heart. This was done so that God could show off to Israel, His betrothed wife. God then obliterated his army to show off.

I see a few accusations of God being racist/nationalist, etc These accusations are true. I do not think it can be argued by any student of the Bible that God favored Israel over other people, and still does. This is carried into the New Testament. This can be seen by Matt 15:24, as well as Rom 9 quoting Hos 2. Israel is Gods chosen people, no one else.

I also saw accusations about the God of the Bible being Ok with slavery and genocide. Yes, that is also true. The best example is Num 31. Slavery of non-Israelites could be for life. For Israelites, it could also be for life but only by choice of the slave.

In short, God does indeed treat His people differently than others. (The food laws only pertain to them for example) That doesnt mean that He doesnt love all of His creation, it simply means that His creation was all created for a purpose. Every part of creation serves a different function. Some parts of it are created for glory and others for destruction.

Athetotheist · Post by **Athetotheist** » Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:26 pm

TheGreatDebate wrote: This is a response to most of the posters on this thread.

The main argument seems to be settling on Moses and the Exodus. Moses represented Gods will according to the Bible. Pharaoh wanted to release the Israelites several times until God hardened his heart. This was done so that God could show off to Israel, His betrothed wife. God then obliterated his army to show off.

I see a few accusations of God being racist/nationalist, etc These accusations are true. I do not think it can be argued by any student of the Bible that God favored Israel over other people, and still does. This is carried into the New Testament. This can be seen by Matt 15:24, as well as Rom 9 quoting Hos 2. Israel is Gods chosen people, no one else.

I also saw accusations about the God of the Bible being Ok with slavery and genocide. Yes, that is also true. The best example is Num 31. Slavery of non-Israelites could be for life. For Israelites, it could also be for life but only by choice of the slave.

In short, God does indeed treat His people differently than others. (The food laws only pertain to them for example) That doesnt mean that He doesnt love all of His creation, it simply means that His creation was all created for a purpose. Every part of creation serves a different function. Some parts of it are created for glory and others for destruction.

Creating people for destruction seems like a funny way of loving them. Doesn't that make you wonder about the accuracy of the Bible's description of God? How shocking does a description of God have to be before you'll question it? If no one can question how God is described in the Bible, how can anyone criticize the gods of Olympus for the way they're described?

TheGreatDebate · Post by **TheGreatDebate** » Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:45 pm

[Replying to post 64 by Athetotheist]

"If no one can question how God is described in the Bible"

I don't understand what you are asking?

SallyF · Post by **SallyF** » Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:56 pm

TheGreatDebate wrote: [Replying to post 64 by Athetotheist]

"If no one can question how God is described in the Bible"

I don't understand what you are asking?

The Olympic gods are every bit as real and every bit as imaginary as the genocidal Jehovah god of biblical fantasy fiction.

The mythological Olympic gods did really nice stuff and really evil stuff.

The humans who made up the biblical fantasies wrote fiction about their mythological Jehovah mostly only doing really evil stuff.

Athetotheist · Post by **Athetotheist** » Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:23 pm

TheGreatDebate wrote: [Replying to post 64 by Athetotheist]

"If no one can question how God is described in the Bible"

I don't understand what you are asking?

Let me put it this way:

You accept, without question, the Bible's description of God. You believe that's the way God must be because that's the way the Bible says God is.

Am I on track with that?

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:55 am

TheGreatDebate wrote: This is a response to most of the posters on this thread.

The main argument seems to be settling on Moses and the Exodus. Moses represented Gods will according to the Bible. Pharaoh wanted to release the Israelites several times until God hardened his heart. This was done so that God could show off to Israel, His betrothed wife. God then obliterated his army to show off.

I see a few accusations of God being racist/nationalist, etc These accusations are true. I do not think it can be argued by any student of the Bible that God favored Israel over other people, and still does. This is carried into the New Testament. This can be seen by Matt 15:24, as well as Rom 9 quoting Hos 2. Israel is Gods chosen people, no one else.

I also saw accusations about the God of the Bible being Ok with slavery and genocide. Yes, that is also true. The best example is Num 31. Slavery of non-Israelites could be for life. For Israelites, it could also be for life but only by choice of the slave.

In short, God does indeed treat His people differently than others. (The food laws only pertain to them for example) That doesnt mean that He doesnt love all of His creation, it simply means that His creation was all created for a purpose. Every part of creation serves a different function. Some parts of it are created for glory and others for destruction.

This is what is called being take down by friendly fire.

FRIENDLY FIRE

noun MILITARY
weapon fire coming from one's own side that causes accidental injury or death to one's own forces.

JW

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Post by **Tcg** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:02 am

JehovahsWitness wrote:
This is what is called being take down by friendly fire.

FRIENDLY FIRE

noun MILITARY
weapon fire coming from one's own side that causes accidental injury or death to one's own forces.

This quite simply doesn't follow. There is nothing accidental in the prejudicial laws the Israelites created and attributed to their God. There is also nothing accidental about multiple genocides, assuming there is any truth to these tales.

Friendly fire is accidental. The Israelites creating laws to favor themselves and using the God they created to justify the genocide they reportedly committed was intentional.

Tcg