The Most Evil God

SallyF · Post by **SallyF** » Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:42 pm

Is the biblical Jehovah the most EVIL god ever imagined ?

1213 · Post by **1213** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:52 pm

Tcg wrote: they'd not need to become Israelites to have the same rights

In Bible God makes a covenant. It has certain conditions and promises/rights. If one keeps the conditions, he can have the promises/rights also.

1213 · Post by **1213** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:53 pm

SallyF wrote: .Absolutely ZERO evidence is EVER offered for the existence of Jehovah.

Bible and this world as described in the Bible are the evidence.

1213 · Post by **1213** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:53 pm

brunumb wrote: When the pharaoh was ready to release the Hebrews, God caused him to change his mind by hardening his heart.

Yes, and the mind changed because the plague ended. There is not mystical mind altering thing going on, it was simply that the situation get better that caused pharaoh to change his mind, which means his heart was hardened. If you disagree with this, please explain what do you think hardening ones heart means, and how is Bible saying that?

Post by **Tcg** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:00 pm

1213 wrote:
Tcg wrote: they'd not need to become Israelites to have the same rights
In Bible God makes a covenant. It has certain conditions and promises/rights. If one keeps the conditions, he can have the promises/rights also.

Once again you are making my point for me. You are describing favoritism not righteousness.

Tcg

Post by **Tcg** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:33 pm

1213 wrote:
In Bible God makes a covenant. It has certain conditions and promises/rights. If one keeps the conditions, he can have the promises/rights also.

In another thread, you have clearly argued that the conditions God set in order to have equal rights is not loving:

1213 wrote:
In Biblical point of view love means one cares without conditions. If one doesnt love, he doesnt care and if one doesnt care, he can do all kind of evil things to others and doesnt do right and good things to others.

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As you have shown, based on the fact that God does not care without conditions, God can do all kind of evil things to others.

Tcg

Diagoras · Post by **Diagoras** » Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:43 pm

1213 wrote:
SallyF wrote: .Absolutely ZERO evidence is EVER offered for the existence of Jehovah.

Bible and this world as described in the Bible are the evidence.

I think you should study this (see Example 2) first, then maybe try again.

1213 · Post by **1213** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:54 pm

Tcg wrote:
1213 wrote:
Tcg wrote: they'd not need to become Israelites to have the same rights
In Bible God makes a covenant. It has certain conditions and promises/rights. If one keeps the conditions, he can have the promises/rights also.
Once again you are making my point for me. You are describing favoritism not righteousness.

How? The promises are for all, and if one is righteous, he wants to live by Gods law and then he can have the promises also. But, if person is evil and does wrong things, it doesnt matter even if he is a Jew, he still doesnt get the good promises, but he gets death.

There really is no favoritism, because all could be righteous and have eternal life. If some people dont want to be righteous, there is no good reason to allow them to live forever.

1213 · Post by **1213** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:55 pm

Tcg wrote: As you have shown, based on the fact that God does not care without conditions, God can do all kind of evil things to others.

God loves/cares without conditions. It means, He doesnt do anything evil to anyone and does good things even for evil.

But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
Mat. 5:44-45

Loving and caring just doesnt mean God allows evil to continue forever.

Bust Nak · Post by **Bust Nak** » Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:11 pm

1213 wrote: When the hardening happened by ending plagues, or by telling that pharaoh must free Jews, I think that is not bad.

If you disagree with this, please explain what do you think hardening ones heart means, and how is Bible saying that?

Don't you mean "if the hardening happened by ending plagues?" What about when the hardening happened by God's mystical mind altering thing, is that bad?

You are still speaking of the hardening of Pharaoh's heart as a passive thing that happened. That's not what the Bible said, it states that God hardened Pharaoh's heart, and God did so in part to show off his horrific "wonders" to the people of Egypt.

1213 · Post by **1213** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:58 am

Bust Nak wrote: What about when the hardening happened by God's mystical mind altering thing, is that bad?....

Sorry, I dont see any reason to think it happened by some mystical mind-altering way.