The Moral Lowdown

[SallyF]

Is this Christian claim arrogant ?

[benchwarmer]

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If God does exist, then murdering babies and children in cold blood is not only sometimes necessary, it is moral.

Killing is not same as murdering. Murdering is not allowed in the Bible, death penalty is.

This really just points out that the Bible makes it clear the god concept described therein is powerless and pointless.

If someone commits a crime that deserves (according to God) the death penalty, let God execute the criminal. Surely He has the know how, the power, the time, and the absolute knowledge required to know the right person is being killed for the right reason. Do we see this happen? No, of course not.

For me, this is the death knell of any rule in the Bible that requires punishment to be carried out by humans against humans. What's the matter, is God too busy?

[brunumb]

[Replying to post 42 by EarthScienceguy]

Why were the death camps wrong? it was not wrong to those who were in political authority and for many that followed those in authority.

Can you be sure that it was not wrong to those who were in political authority and the followers who complied? Have you ever known that doing something was wrong but did it anyway? I'm sure that many people have been in that position. Whatever is the driving force that is involved overrides the moral direction of what is right or wrong. For some it is power and others simply survival. I contend that they still knew that what they did was wrong.

[brunumb]

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If God does exist, then murdering babies and children in cold blood is not only sometimes necessary, it is moral.

Killing is not same as murdering. Murdering is not allowed in the Bible, death penalty is.

It's killing when God's on your side and murder when it's from the other side. Somehow love your enemies got lost in the translation.

[Zzyzx]

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Killing is not same as murdering. Murdering is not allowed in the Bible, death penalty is.

According to the Bible, exactly who decides when the death penalty shall apply?

Is that a civil government decision?

Is the decision to be made by preachers / churchmen?

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If someone commits a crime that deserves (according to God) the death penalty, let God execute the criminal.

Today we dont have anyone who is set by God to be judge and we dont have the right to judge. However, when there were Gods judges, God had given this advice for them:

You shall not show partiality in judgment; you shall hear the small and the great alike; you shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, you shall bring to me, and I will hear it.
Deu. 1:17

So, I think it is ok to give that decision to God.

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Killing is not same as murdering. Murdering is not allowed in the Bible, death penalty is.

It's killing when God's on your side and murder when it's from the other side. Somehow love your enemies got lost in the translation.

In Biblical point of view, murder is unlawful killing. Law doesnt depend on whose side we are.

I dont think love means that evil should be allowed to continue forever. It means that we dont do anything wrong or evil to others.

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Killing is not same as murdering. Murdering is not allowed in the Bible, death penalty is.

According to the Bible, exactly who decides when the death penalty shall apply?

God had set judges to judge according to the law. Nowadays we dont have such judges and no one has the right to judge by that law.

[Willum]

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Killing is not same as murdering. Murdering is not allowed in the Bible, death penalty is.

According to the Bible, exactly who decides when the death penalty shall apply?

God had set judges to judge according to the law. Nowadays we dont have such judges and no one has the right to judge by that law.

Well I guess well just have to do what weve done for the last 12,000 years; get by without any God.