So I am having trouble with the elementary.
If God is all powerful, omnipresent, and in short, the most profound thing in the universe, even the world, it should be trivially easy to quantitatively and definitively distinguish It from myth, fable or the imagination.
So that is the challenge really.
Can anyone show anything to quantitatively distinguish God from myth, fable, imagination or in other words, zero as in nothing?
And if It is indistinguishable, it must be identical, no?
Myth, Fable or Imagination
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Post #31
[Replying to post 28 by Thomas Mc Donald]
Nothing glorious about the heavens and the firmament is really pretty sloppy handywork. Social conditioning and confirmation bias can greatly influence ones perception of things. Also, using poetic language doesn't really make a silk purse out of a sow's ear."The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork."
Plants evolved to respond to changes in light intensity and temperature. Bees only come out if the conditions are right. No God necessary.Yesterday one of my azaleas opened up a single bud as if to check out the March air. An early bumblebee landed on it. I thought that it was a very wise thing to do because it is still frosty and there are few pollinators around. Check things out before making a mistake. How does a simple plant have it within itself to do that.
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Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.
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Gender ideology is anti-science, anti truth.
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Post #32
Psalm 84
How lovely is your dwelling place,
Lord Almighty!
2 My soul yearns, even faints,
for the courts of the Lord;
my heart and my flesh cry out
for the living God.
3 Even the sparrow has found a home,
and the swallow a nest for herself,
where she may have her young—
a place near your altar,
Lord Almighty, my King and my God.
4 Blessed are those who dwell in your house;
they are ever praising you.
I have a lot of fantastic posts to respond to.
If we use the idea of Yahweh worship being a language or a type of music,then this Psalm would appear to state a very strong conviction, not dissimilar to my azealea anecdote.
It tells people that we are talking about our location here on earth. Gods kingdom is a happening actual reality .To imagine that Yahweh would transport swallows and sparrows to another place makes everything a farce. I agree with the conclusions here. Yahweh is as real as walking outside. What human emotions are there here, awe filled wonder at life's complexity, acceptance of place, overflowing joy etc.
How much of this rapture and love for Yahweh displayed in our existences can we afford to dismiss today
How lovely is your dwelling place,
Lord Almighty!
2 My soul yearns, even faints,
for the courts of the Lord;
my heart and my flesh cry out
for the living God.
3 Even the sparrow has found a home,
and the swallow a nest for herself,
where she may have her young—
a place near your altar,
Lord Almighty, my King and my God.
4 Blessed are those who dwell in your house;
they are ever praising you.
I have a lot of fantastic posts to respond to.
If we use the idea of Yahweh worship being a language or a type of music,then this Psalm would appear to state a very strong conviction, not dissimilar to my azealea anecdote.
It tells people that we are talking about our location here on earth. Gods kingdom is a happening actual reality .To imagine that Yahweh would transport swallows and sparrows to another place makes everything a farce. I agree with the conclusions here. Yahweh is as real as walking outside. What human emotions are there here, awe filled wonder at life's complexity, acceptance of place, overflowing joy etc.
How much of this rapture and love for Yahweh displayed in our existences can we afford to dismiss today
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Post #33
[Replying to Thomas Mc Donald]
Well, raising a inane nonsequitur to inspire cognitive dissonance ALSO does not show a god is different from imagination.
It was hideous while it lasted, though.
Well, raising a inane nonsequitur to inspire cognitive dissonance ALSO does not show a god is different from imagination.
It was hideous while it lasted, though.
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Post #34
[Replying to Willum]
It has felt like trying to explain soundless music without use of the human imagination or the faculty of hearing. The task is beyond me. Thank You for the opportunity to ponder these matters.
It has felt like trying to explain soundless music without use of the human imagination or the faculty of hearing. The task is beyond me. Thank You for the opportunity to ponder these matters.
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Post #35
I am glad you have been able to find solace in nothing, and that I could contribute.
Now, if I can next encourage you to drink from the milk of human kindness...
Now, if I can next encourage you to drink from the milk of human kindness...
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Post #36
[Replying to Willum]
Opening Post :Willum
So I am having trouble with the elementary. If God is all powerful, omnipresent, and in short, the most profound thing in the universe, even the world, it should be trivially easy to quantitatively and definitively distinguish It from myth, fable or the imagination.
Post 17:Willum
I was 'serious' enough to create the topic, I don't see why I need to justify it further. Just answer the topic.
It's been done before, you can do it!
I obviously can't and neither did I find the attempt trivally easy. To be honest, I could not quantitatively and definitively distinguish an omnipresent entity from anything, not even a plant with a bee on it.
Opening Post :Willum
So I am having trouble with the elementary. If God is all powerful, omnipresent, and in short, the most profound thing in the universe, even the world, it should be trivially easy to quantitatively and definitively distinguish It from myth, fable or the imagination.
Post 17:Willum
I was 'serious' enough to create the topic, I don't see why I need to justify it further. Just answer the topic.
It's been done before, you can do it!
I obviously can't and neither did I find the attempt trivally easy. To be honest, I could not quantitatively and definitively distinguish an omnipresent entity from anything, not even a plant with a bee on it.