Should Christians follow the Old Testament?

[richic]

I started this because Otseng said so, and I just finished a bible study so I've got something on this.

The Old Testament was not nullified by Jesus, the Old Covenant was.

Essentially, prior to Jesus you would sacrifice an animal to receive forgiveness for a sin.

Jesus was the New Covenant, a perfect sacrifice, where all sins are washed away for eternity. The Old Covenant disappears as does the guilt stemming from the sins.

I think everything else in the OT still applied in term sof the 10 commandments, etc.

Then of couse there was the whole belief in Jesus thing.

[arayhay]

Are not the dietary laws considered 'antiquated'? If not why not?

lets ask Adam and Eve.

Didn't help. No response was forthcoming. This might be because Adam and Eve as actual personages never existed, but I am not sure. Perhaps you could find a cell phone number for me. I heard they were living in L.A.

so your point is one of very profound wisdom. YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER. WOW.

YOUR JUST A MIND JOCKEY.

[Goat]

Are not the dietary laws considered 'antiquated'? If not why not?

lets ask Adam and Eve.

Didn't help. No response was forthcoming. This might be because Adam and Eve as actual personages never existed, but I am not sure. Perhaps you could find a cell phone number for me. I heard they were living in L.A.

so your point is one of very profound wisdom. YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER. WOW.

YOUR JUST A MIND JOCKEY.

On the contrary. Your initial response was irrelevant, since you KNEW that 'adam and eve' wouldn't answer to begin with. A flippant response gets a flippant response in return.

[micatala]

Are not the dietary laws considered 'antiquated'? If not why not?

lets ask Adam and Eve.

Didn't help. No response was forthcoming. This might be because Adam and Eve as actual personages never existed, but I am not sure. Perhaps you could find a cell phone number for me. I heard they were living in L.A.

so your point is one of very profound wisdom. YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER. WOW.

YOUR JUST A MIND JOCKEY.

On the contrary. Your initial response was irrelevant, since you KNEW that 'adam and eve' wouldn't answer to begin with. A flippant response gets a flippant response in return.

goat is correct. Your response was irrelevant, or at the very least completely cryptic.

It is incorrect for you to jump to the conclusion that I don't want to know the answer. In debate, I am always willing to consider anyone's viewpoint, provided they are willing to give it.

To back up to a previous post, I see that you believe that Christianity should be considered a sect within Judaism. I would agree that this is how it started, and may have been Jesus' intention. In my view, this has long since ceased to be the case.

[arayhay]

Are not the dietary laws considered 'antiquated'? If not why not?

lets ask Adam and Eve.

Didn't help. No response was forthcoming. This might be because Adam and Eve as actual personages never existed, but I am not sure. Perhaps you could find a cell phone number for me. I heard they were living in L.A.

so your point is one of very profound wisdom. YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER. WOW.

YOUR JUST A MIND JOCKEY.

On the contrary. Your initial response was irrelevant, since you KNEW that 'adam and eve' wouldn't answer to begin with. A flippant response gets a flippant response in return.

goat is correct. Your response was irrelevant, or at the very least completely cryptic.

It is incorrect for you to jump to the conclusion that I don't want to know the answer. In debate, I am always willing to consider anyone's viewpoint, provided they are willing to give it.

To back up to a previous post, I see that you believe that Christianity should be considered a sect within Judaism. I would agree that this is how it started, and may have been Jesus' intention. In my view, this has long since ceased to be the case.

wow, it's seems like nobody here wants to get to the point.


i don't have time for any form of intelligent masterbation

Adam and Eve were told 'NOT TO EAT OF THE TREE' ...

THAT'S TO THE POINT; Koser, or trif clean and unclean. It's a dietary LAW!

YOU TWO CAN'T FACE THE FACT THAT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE ALL HUMANS ARE IN THIS SIN CONDITION THINGIE BECAUSE OF A DIETARY LAW.

GROW UP. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ADAM AND EVE WERE REAL, PROVE IT.

[ithinkthereforeiam]

GROW UP. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ADAM AND EVE WERE REAL, PROVE IT.

OK. Explain how Adam and Eve produced all the different races of people that exist today. Have you ever seen a white couple produce a chinese baby?


God sure loves to punish the grandkids for something their grandparents did.

[Goat]

wow, it's seems like nobody here wants to get to the point.


i don't have time for any form of intelligent masterbation

Adam and Eve were told 'NOT TO EAT OF THE TREE' ...

THAT'S TO THE POINT; Koser, or trif clean and unclean. It's a dietary LAW!

YOU TWO CAN'T FACE THE FACT THAT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE ALL HUMANS ARE IN THIS SIN CONDITION THINGIE BECAUSE OF A DIETARY LAW.

GROW UP. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ADAM AND EVE WERE REAL, PROVE IT.

This, of course, has nothign to do with the dietary laws, and weather christians should follow them or not. I suggest if you don't have time for 'intelligent masterbation', you should not manufactor a strawman.

The point of the Kosher laws is for the Jew who wants to live a more sanctified life and become closer to god. By following the laws and restrictions, it is a sign of devotion to God. The Kosher laws were never meant to force upon the Gentile. The Noahic laws are ones that the Jewish faith feels are the minimum laws for most everyone else (and for the most part, they are common sense and decency).

[arayhay]

wow, it's seems like nobody here wants to get to the point.


i don't have time for any form of intelligent masterbation

Adam and Eve were told 'NOT TO EAT OF THE TREE' ...

THAT'S TO THE POINT; Koser, or trif clean and unclean. It's a dietary LAW!

YOU TWO CAN'T FACE THE FACT THAT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE ALL HUMANS ARE IN THIS SIN CONDITION THINGIE BECAUSE OF A DIETARY LAW.

GROW UP. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ADAM AND EVE WERE REAL, PROVE IT.

This, of course, has nothign to do with the dietary laws, and weather christians should follow them or not. I suggest if you don't have time for 'intelligent masterbation', you should not manufactor a strawman.

The point of the Kosher laws is for the Jew who wants to live a more sanctified life and become closer to god. By following the laws and restrictions, it is a sign of devotion to God. The Kosher laws were never meant to force upon the Gentile. The Noahic laws are ones that the Jewish faith feels are the minimum laws for most everyone else (and for the most part, they are common sense and decency).

why did Noah take clean animals on the ark 7 by 7 ? this was long before Sinai

[micatala]

Are not the dietary laws considered 'antiquated'? If not why not?

lets ask Adam and Eve.

Didn't help. No response was forthcoming. This might be because Adam and Eve as actual personages never existed, but I am not sure. Perhaps you could find a cell phone number for me. I heard they were living in L.A.

so your point is one of very profound wisdom. YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER. WOW.

YOUR JUST A MIND JOCKEY.

On the contrary. Your initial response was irrelevant, since you KNEW that 'adam and eve' wouldn't answer to begin with. A flippant response gets a flippant response in return.

goat is correct. Your response was irrelevant, or at the very least completely cryptic.

It is incorrect for you to jump to the conclusion that I don't want to know the answer. In debate, I am always willing to consider anyone's viewpoint, provided they are willing to give it.

To back up to a previous post, I see that you believe that Christianity should be considered a sect within Judaism. I would agree that this is how it started, and may have been Jesus' intention. In my view, this has long since ceased to be the case.

wow, it's seems like nobody here wants to get to the point.


i don't have time for any form of intelligent masterbation

Adam and Eve were told 'NOT TO EAT OF THE TREE' ...

THAT'S TO THE POINT; Koser, or trif clean and unclean. It's a dietary LAW!

YOU TWO CAN'T FACE THE FACT THAT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE ALL HUMANS ARE IN THIS SIN CONDITION THINGIE BECAUSE OF A DIETARY LAW.

GROW UP. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ADAM AND EVE WERE REAL, PROVE IT.

Whether or not Adam and Eve were literally real as described in Genesis is not really on topic, but if you wish to debate it, we already have a thread devoted to Did Adam and Eve Exist?

As far as the prohibition on eating the tree, saying this is a dietary law is quite a stretch. In addition, the prohibition was never required of anyone after Adam and Eve ate of the fruit. In fact, the tree never appears in the Bible again. In my view, this is clearly because it was a metaphorical tree in the first place.

If it were not, it seems to me the Bible would include a record of how long the tree (and the whole garden for that matter) remained there and what eventually happened to it, as it is clearly not there now.

Finally, I think people would have an easier time getting your points if you would actually state them clearly and not flippantly with an extra dollop of sarcasm on top.

[arayhay]

[Whether or not Adam and Eve were literally real as described in Genesis is not really on topic, but if you wish to debate it, we already have a thread devoted to Did Adam and Eve Exist?

then why did you bring it up ?

the point that i was trying to make, if you can grasp it is, that if someone wants to say that the dietary law is no longer relevant , then they have to explain why THIS one dietary law is still having such a PROFOUND effect on us all. sure you can say that they didn't exist, or this is not a dietary law. but your not being honest with your assessment. and it's very droll. what is it if not a dietary law ? a regulation, or a rule. maybe it's an ordinance, or order. but it's not a suggestion that will be obsolete in a few thousand years. because our culture is so different.

As far as the prohibition on eating the tree, saying this is a dietary law is quite a stretch.

your mind could use a stretch.

In addition, the prohibition was never required of anyone after Adam and Eve ate of the fruit. In fact, the tree never appears in the Bible again. In my view, this is clearly because it was a metaphorical tree in the first place.

the garden was close off and Adam and Eve were sent out, never to return.
and a Angel was placed at the gate of the garden. So how is anyone to pick some of this fruit ?

If it were not, it seems to me the Bible would include a record of how long the tree (and the whole garden for that matter) remained there and what eventually happened to it, as it is clearly not there now.

Blah Blah Blah let me get this straight, God owes YOU an explanation.

Finally, I think people would have an easier time getting your points if you would actually state them clearly and not flippantly with an extra dollop of sarcasm on top.[/quote]


this is a lame excuse. i am being direct. that's what's so troublesome to you. if you have the capacity to look at the issue honestly , and put aside your bias, then do so.

[micatala]

Whether or not Adam and Eve were literally real as described in Genesis is not really on topic, but if you wish to debate it, we already have a thread devoted to Did Adam and Eve Exist?

then why did you bring it up ?

Actually I wasn't the one who brought it up, someone else had.

the point that i was trying to make, if you can grasp it is, that if someone wants to say that the dietary law is no longer relevant , then they have to explain why THIS one dietary law is still having such a PROFOUND effect on us all. sure you can say that they didn't exist, or this is not a dietary law. but your not being honest with your assessment. and it's very droll. what is it if not a dietary law ? a regulation, or a rule. maybe it's an ordinance, or order. but it's not a suggestion that will be obsolete in a few thousand years. because our culture is so different.

Just because something has had an effect which has made the world today different than it might have otherwise been does not mean it is still in effect.

Hitler and the effects he caused have changed the world. THis does not mean Hitler is still in power.

Slavery was once legal in this country and this fact has had repurcussions that we are still living with today. However, slavery is no longer legal.

If you want to call the prohibition against eating the tree a dietary law, I guess that is fine, but that does not mean this law is still in effect. The tree is no longer there for one thing. THus, the law cannot possible 'still be in effect'.

In Acts chapter 15 and Romans chapter 14 we find that the dietary laws that all Jews were required to follow were no longer 'in effect' for believers in Jesus, arguably even for those who remained Jews.


Clearly, in the sense that believers are no longer required to follow all of these laws, they can be considered archaic.