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Purpose of spotlight on racism
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Re: Purpose of spotlight on racism
Post #22This topic does paint a very negative picture of what happens to you here when you're on the pro side of racism.
It does just so happen that everyone banned happens to have added nasty comments to what they believe to be correct and rational appraisals of the situation. But if you cut down what is said to the rational, it does happen to leave everyone arguing the pro side banned.
Since I'm not on the pro side, I'm required to notice discrimination, even if there's seemingly a good reason each time, I must look at the big picture and the trend. For example, if everyone who happened to be black was banned from a department store called Shiverman's. Each time, this high-class department store did have a valid reason. So-and-so broke the dress code. That fellow brought food in. This other one, well, he was drunk. The last one... he stole.
My actual position requires me to notice and to go beyond my own understanding that each time a rule was really and truly broken, and question the merits of this situation.
So, should I stop doing that when I'm seeing the same exact thing happen to racists? If they were black people I would think being actually discriminated against is what made them so sour. I'm not even to blame that last one for actually stealing because society set up a system that would make it inevitable, so it could punish. Must I then also at least wonder if there's a reason racists act like beaten dogs? Maybe it's because they keep getting beaten. And they growl, and then, that is used as an excuse to beat them further.
This is simply my ability to assume all perspectives simultaneously. From the perspective of the racist, he's going to be beaten [banned] anyway, so he might as well growl and bite. Is he wrong? He's no doubt experienced a lot of banning for simply stating the situation as he sees it and being as polite as he can. The other dogs require him to be in a perpetual state of being turned-over, enduring the insults and never returning them. And then of course when they're through with him they ban him anyway. So what then is the point of holding back the nasty comments? He at least gets his bite in, then, when he knows already that he's going to be bitten.
Remember that I'm not attacking the rules or the enforcement thereof. From where I sit, it all scans. But that's the problem: From where I sit. Maybe it's a problem with holding a position that I am biased and responsible for ignoring my own honest appraisal of a situation because of that inherent bias, and constructing a superior appraisal that would presumably occur if I did not possess that bias.
It does just so happen that everyone banned happens to have added nasty comments to what they believe to be correct and rational appraisals of the situation. But if you cut down what is said to the rational, it does happen to leave everyone arguing the pro side banned.
Since I'm not on the pro side, I'm required to notice discrimination, even if there's seemingly a good reason each time, I must look at the big picture and the trend. For example, if everyone who happened to be black was banned from a department store called Shiverman's. Each time, this high-class department store did have a valid reason. So-and-so broke the dress code. That fellow brought food in. This other one, well, he was drunk. The last one... he stole.
My actual position requires me to notice and to go beyond my own understanding that each time a rule was really and truly broken, and question the merits of this situation.
So, should I stop doing that when I'm seeing the same exact thing happen to racists? If they were black people I would think being actually discriminated against is what made them so sour. I'm not even to blame that last one for actually stealing because society set up a system that would make it inevitable, so it could punish. Must I then also at least wonder if there's a reason racists act like beaten dogs? Maybe it's because they keep getting beaten. And they growl, and then, that is used as an excuse to beat them further.
This is simply my ability to assume all perspectives simultaneously. From the perspective of the racist, he's going to be beaten [banned] anyway, so he might as well growl and bite. Is he wrong? He's no doubt experienced a lot of banning for simply stating the situation as he sees it and being as polite as he can. The other dogs require him to be in a perpetual state of being turned-over, enduring the insults and never returning them. And then of course when they're through with him they ban him anyway. So what then is the point of holding back the nasty comments? He at least gets his bite in, then, when he knows already that he's going to be bitten.
Remember that I'm not attacking the rules or the enforcement thereof. From where I sit, it all scans. But that's the problem: From where I sit. Maybe it's a problem with holding a position that I am biased and responsible for ignoring my own honest appraisal of a situation because of that inherent bias, and constructing a superior appraisal that would presumably occur if I did not possess that bias.
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Re: Purpose of spotlight on racism
Post #23What does it mean to be on the pro-side of racism? To make uncivil comments?Purple Knight wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:13 pm This topic does paint a very negative picture of what happens to you here when you're on the pro side of racism.
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Re: Purpose of spotlight on racism
Post #24I would say, to believe racism is morally permissible and that it should not be outlawed in society.otseng wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:52 pmWhat does it mean to be on the pro-side of racism? To make uncivil comments?Purple Knight wrote: ↑Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:13 pm This topic does paint a very negative picture of what happens to you here when you're on the pro side of racism.