JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[onewithhim]

Genesis 1:2

He began with a formless and dark ball and formed it gradually into the beautiful earth we have now.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:2 King James Version)

Where does that verse say that God began creation of the earth with a "formless and dark ball"?

Where did your imaginary "formless and dark ball" come from?

Who created it?

Oh come on. How do you describe a round earth if you can't say it is a "ball"? Isn't it? Looks like that in photos. A beautiful blue ball. Who created it? God and His Son.

"Ball" is fine with me.

Where did your preexisting imaginary "formless and dark ball" that you believe was God's starting point for creating the earth come from?

Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2 is not the starting point for the creation of the earth. The starting point is Genesis 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

Genesis 1:2 describes the state of the earth sometime after its creation:

Not so. It describes the earth as it was before God started forming it to be a home for living physical beings.

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[myth-one.com]

Genesis 1:2

He began with a formless and dark ball and formed it gradually into the beautiful earth we have now.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:2 King James Version)

Where does that verse say that God began creation of the earth with a "formless and dark ball"?

Where did your imaginary "formless and dark ball" come from?

Who created it?

Oh come on. How do you describe a round earth if you can't say it is a "ball"? Isn't it? Looks like that in photos. A beautiful blue ball. Who created it? God and His Son.

"Ball" is fine with me.

Where did your preexisting imaginary "formless and dark ball" that you believe was God's starting point for creating the earth come from?

Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2 is not the starting point for the creation of the earth. The starting point is Genesis 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

Genesis 1:2 describes the state of the earth sometime after its creation:

Not so. It describes the earth as it was before God started forming it to be a home for living physical beings.

In the past, you have claimed that God created the earth for mankind to live on.

Now you are claiming that it was not created for mankind originally, because it had to be modified for living physical beings.

Your second statement is the more correct. The earth was not originally maintained by mortal mankind.

[onewithhim]

Genesis 1:2

He began with a formless and dark ball and formed it gradually into the beautiful earth we have now.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:2 King James Version)

Where does that verse say that God began creation of the earth with a "formless and dark ball"?

Where did your imaginary "formless and dark ball" come from?

Who created it?

Oh come on. How do you describe a round earth if you can't say it is a "ball"? Isn't it? Looks like that in photos. A beautiful blue ball. Who created it? God and His Son.

"Ball" is fine with me.

Where did your preexisting imaginary "formless and dark ball" that you believe was God's starting point for creating the earth come from?

Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2 is not the starting point for the creation of the earth. The starting point is Genesis 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

Genesis 1:2 describes the state of the earth sometime after its creation:

Not so. It describes the earth as it was before God started forming it to be a home for living physical beings.

In the past, you have claimed that God created the earth for mankind to live on.

Now you are claiming that it was not created for mankind originally, because it had to be modified for living physical beings.

Your second statement is the more correct. The earth was not originally maintained by mortal mankind.

I'm claiming no such thing. God created the earth for human beings. That was His plan all along. He started out with a dark watery world and gradually formed it into a sphere that could maintain human life.

[myth-one.com]

Genesis 1:2

He began with a formless and dark ball and formed it gradually into the beautiful earth we have now.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:2 King James Version)

Where does that verse say that God began creation of the earth with a "formless and dark ball"?

Where did your imaginary "formless and dark ball" come from?

Who created it?

Oh come on. How do you describe a round earth if you can't say it is a "ball"? Isn't it? Looks like that in photos. A beautiful blue ball. Who created it? God and His Son.

"Ball" is fine with me.

Where did your preexisting imaginary "formless and dark ball" that you believe was God's starting point for creating the earth come from?

Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2 is not the starting point for the creation of the earth. The starting point is Genesis 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

Genesis 1:2 describes the state of the earth sometime after its creation:

Not so. It describes the earth as it was before God started forming it to be a home for living physical beings.

In the past, you have claimed that God created the earth for mankind to live on.

Now you are claiming that it was not created for mankind originally, because it had to be modified for living physical beings.

Your second statement is the more correct. The earth was not originally maintained by mortal mankind.

I'm claiming no such thing. God created the earth for human beings. That was His plan all along. He started out with a dark watery world and gradually formed it into a sphere that could maintain human life.

Why did God think that a dark watery world would be suitable for mankind?

[onewithhim]

Genesis 1:2

He began with a formless and dark ball and formed it gradually into the beautiful earth we have now.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Genesis 1:2 King James Version)

Where does that verse say that God began creation of the earth with a "formless and dark ball"?

Where did your imaginary "formless and dark ball" come from?

Who created it?

Oh come on. How do you describe a round earth if you can't say it is a "ball"? Isn't it? Looks like that in photos. A beautiful blue ball. Who created it? God and His Son.

"Ball" is fine with me.

Where did your preexisting imaginary "formless and dark ball" that you believe was God's starting point for creating the earth come from?

Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2 is not the starting point for the creation of the earth. The starting point is Genesis 1:1

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

Genesis 1:2 describes the state of the earth sometime after its creation:

Not so. It describes the earth as it was before God started forming it to be a home for living physical beings.

In the past, you have claimed that God created the earth for mankind to live on.

Now you are claiming that it was not created for mankind originally, because it had to be modified for living physical beings.

Your second statement is the more correct. The earth was not originally maintained by mortal mankind.

I'm claiming no such thing. God created the earth for human beings. That was His plan all along. He started out with a dark watery world and gradually formed it into a sphere that could maintain human life.

Why did God think that a dark watery world would be suitable for mankind?

Of course He did not. That is why He kept forming the earth for humans' habitation.

[myth-one.com]

He started out with a dark watery world and gradually formed it into a sphere that could maintain human life.

Why did God think that a dark watery world would be suitable for mankind?

Of course He did not.

But you claim that God created the earth for mankind to live on.

Then you claim that God created it originally as a dark watery world.

Do you believe the following verse:

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:31)

If God made the dark watery world for mankind, and everything God made was very good for its purpose, then the dark watery world would be very good for mankind.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

Were the heaven and the earth created in Genesis as "very good"?

[onewithhim]

He started out with a dark watery world and gradually formed it into a sphere that could maintain human life.

Why did God think that a dark watery world would be suitable for mankind?

Of course He did not.

But you claim that God created the earth for mankind to live on.

Then you claim that God created it originally as a dark watery world.

Do you believe the following verse:

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:31)

If God made the dark watery world for mankind, and everything God made was very good for its purpose, then the dark watery world would be very good for mankind.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

Were the heaven and the earth created in Genesis as "very good"?

You are out in left field. I can't follow your reasoning, and I've explained how the earth came to be a dark watery place, in the beginning, after which he formed it to be inhabited. If anyone else can understand what you are saying, I hope they will say so here on this thread.

[myth-one.com]

He started out with a dark watery world and gradually formed it into a sphere that could maintain human life.

Why did God think that a dark watery world would be suitable for mankind?

Of course He did not.

But you claim that God created the earth for mankind to live on.

Then you claim that God created it originally as a dark watery world.

Do you believe the following verse:

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:31)

If God made the dark watery world for mankind, and everything God made was very good for its purpose, then the dark watery world would be very good for mankind.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

Were the heaven and the earth created in Genesis as "very good"?

You are out in left field. I can't follow your reasoning, and I've explained how the earth came to be a dark watery place, in the beginning, after which he formed it to be inhabited. If anyone else can understand what you are saying, I hope they will say so here on this thread.

The earth was never created as a dark and watery world.

See if you can understand that.

[onewithhim]

He started out with a dark watery world and gradually formed it into a sphere that could maintain human life.

Why did God think that a dark watery world would be suitable for mankind?

Of course He did not.

But you claim that God created the earth for mankind to live on.

Then you claim that God created it originally as a dark watery world.

Do you believe the following verse:

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:31)

If God made the dark watery world for mankind, and everything God made was very good for its purpose, then the dark watery world would be very good for mankind.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

Were the heaven and the earth created in Genesis as "very good"?

You are out in left field. I can't follow your reasoning, and I've explained how the earth came to be a dark watery place, in the beginning, after which he formed it to be inhabited. If anyone else can understand what you are saying, I hope they will say so here on this thread.

The earth was never created as a dark and watery world.

See if you can understand that.

It says so in Genesis 1:1,2. It's sad that you can't understand that.

[myth-one.com]

He started out with a dark watery world and gradually formed it into a sphere that could maintain human life.

Why did God think that a dark watery world would be suitable for mankind?

Of course He did not.

But you claim that God created the earth for mankind to live on.

Then you claim that God created it originally as a dark watery world.

Do you believe the following verse:

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:31)

If God made the dark watery world for mankind, and everything God made was very good for its purpose, then the dark watery world would be very good for mankind.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (Genesis 1:1)

Were the heaven and the earth created in Genesis as "very good"?

You are out in left field. I can't follow your reasoning, and I've explained how the earth came to be a dark watery place, in the beginning, after which he formed it to be inhabited. If anyone else can understand what you are saying, I hope they will say so here on this thread.

The earth was never created as a dark and watery world.

See if you can understand that.

It says so in Genesis 1:1,2. It's sad that you can't understand that.

God created the heaven and the earth, and everything that God created was seen to be very good by God.

Genesis 1:2 states that the earth was empty, void, and dark.

It does not state that God created it that way.

Your assumption is that it was created as a dark watery world.

God described it as very good.

I'll have to side with God.

God created it as very good, and it came to be void, empty, and dark over time due to neglect.