Lake of fire

[achilles12604]

Question for everyone. The lake of fire referred to by the traditional Christian/ Catholic/ Fundi churches.

Is it literally a lake of fire? It is figurative? Other?

[myth-one.com]

Question for everyone. The lake of fire referred to by the traditional Christian/ Catholic/ Fundi churches.

Is it literally a lake of fire? It is figurative? Other?

I would say literal.

After the judgment, those humans whose names are not written in the Book of Life are cast into the lake of fire and quickly suffer their second and everlasting death:

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:14-15)

The lake of fire lasts forever because the devil will be imprisoned there forever:

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:7-10)

The fire will not harm the devil because he is a spiritual bodied being which does not feel pain.

It is the torment of knowing he failed, being defeated, seeing lowly humans being upgraded to take his place, never being given another opportunity, separation from the Kingdom of God, etc.

He has rebelled, been defeated, and lost his freedom and authority for eternity.

It will be total, eternal, BOREDOM!

[onewithhim]

Question for everyone. The lake of fire referred to by the traditional Christian/ Catholic/ Fundi churches.

Is it literally a lake of fire? It is figurative? Other?

I would say literal.

After the judgment, those humans whose names are not written in the Book of Life are cast into the lake of fire and quickly suffer their second and everlasting death:

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:14-15)

The lake of fire lasts forever because the devil will be imprisoned there forever:

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:7-10)

The fire will not harm the devil because he is a spiritual bodied being which does not feel pain.

It is the torment of knowing he failed, being defeated, seeing lowly humans being upgraded to take his place, never being given another opportunity, separation from the Kingdom of God, etc.

He has rebelled, been defeated, and lost his freedom and authority for eternity.

It will be total, eternal, BOREDOM!

There is no rehabilitation for the Devil, therefore God wouldn't keep him around to sadistically torture him. What purpose is there in making him live in boredom forever? He DIES because of his revolt against God. The "torment" you mention is exactly the definition of a "jailer's" business---he causes someone to never be given another opportunity to do anything. The word "torment" is taken from a Greek word meaning "jailer." It merely means what I have said, that the Devil will no longer be able to do anything. Because he will be dead, not alive as some persons believe. "The wages of sin is death."

The "lake of fire" is metaphorical for the total destruction of someone or some thing. It is not literal. We notice that "death" and "hell" are thrown into this lake of fire. How can that be literal, kindly tell me.

[myth-one.com]

There is no rehabilitation for the Devil, therefore God wouldn't keep him around to sadistically torture him.

Having created the Devil as an immortal spirit, God cannot kill the Devil. That is not an option.

What purpose is there in making him live in boredom forever?

Containment.

The wages of sin is death only to those that can die.

When man no longer exists, death and hell (the grave) are dead in regards to mankind.

[onewithhim]

There is no rehabilitation for the Devil, therefore God wouldn't keep him around to sadistically torture him.

Having created the Devil as an immortal spirit, God cannot kill the Devil. That is not an option.

What purpose is there in making him live in boredom forever?

Containment.

The wages of sin is death only to those that can die.

When man no longer exists, death and hell (the grave) are dead in regards to mankind.

God did not make spirits immortal. They can die, and they will. The lake of fire is symbolic for everlasting destruction. We know it's symbolic because death and hell is thrown into it, and that is impossible if we're talking about literal events. The Devil is cast into the lake of fire, meaning he will be dead forever, not sitting around in flames being bored.

[myth-one.com]

The Devil is cast into the lake of fire, meaning he will be dead forever, not sitting around in flames being bored.

The correct word is "tormented" not dead.

The Devil is tormented day and night forever, not dead day and night forever:


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

Here's two other verses which you might want to take note of:

Revelation 22:
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

[onewithhim]

The Devil is cast into the lake of fire, meaning he will be dead forever, not sitting around in flames being bored.

The correct word is "tormented" not dead.

The Devil is tormented day and night forever, not dead day and night forever:


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

Here's two other verses which you might want to take note of:

Revelation 22:
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

In case you missed this explanation, I will give it again. The Greek word for "torment" is ba-sa-ni'zo. The Greek noun ba-sa-ni-stes . occurring at Matthew 18:34 is rendered "jailers" in some translations, or the "tormentors", which is actually what the word means. The fact that the prisoner(s) were jailed was their torment. So ba-sa-ni-stes came to be applied to jailers. The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia says: "Probably the imprisonment itself was regarded as 'torment' (as it doubtless was), and the 'tormentors' need mean nothing more than jailors."

Thus, the mentioning in Revelation 20:10 of ones who will be "tormented day and night forever and ever" evidently indicates that they will bein a condition of restraint. That a condition of restraint can be spoken of as "torment" is indicated by the parallel accounts at Matthew 8:29 and Luke 8:31.

"Some commentators have pointed to Biblical instances of the word 'torment' to support the teaching of eternal suffering in fire. However, as just indicated, there is Scriptural reason to believe that Revelation 20:10 does not have that sense. In fact, verse 14 shows that the 'lake of fire' in which the torment occurs, actually means 'the second death'. And though Jesus spoke of a certain rich man as 'existing in torments' (Luke 16:23,28), Jesus was not describing the literal experience of a real person but, rather, was setting forth an illustration. Revelation provides a number of other instances where 'torment' clearly has an illustrative or symbolic sense, as is evident from the context. (Rev. 9:5; 11:10; 18:7,10)" Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2, p.1115.

So, the 'torment' means the second death, and "death" means death, not sitting around in flames. The devil will be restrained by being dead.

[myth-one.com]

The Devil is cast into the lake of fire, meaning he will be dead forever, not sitting around in flames being bored.

The correct word is "tormented" not dead.

The Devil is tormented day and night forever, not dead day and night forever:


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

Here's two other verses which you might want to take note of:

Revelation 22:
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

In case you missed this explanation, I will give it again. The Greek word for "torment" is ba-sa-ni'zo. The Greek noun ba-sa-ni-stes . occurring at Matthew 18:34 is rendered "jailers" in some translations, or the "tormentors", which is actually what the word means. The fact that the prisoner(s) were jailed was their torment. So ba-sa-ni-stes came to be applied to jailers. The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia says: "Probably the imprisonment itself was regarded as 'torment' (as it doubtless was), and the 'tormentors' need mean nothing more than jailors."

Thus, the mentioning in Revelation 20:10 of ones who will be "tormented day and night forever and ever" evidently indicates that they will bein a condition of restraint. That a condition of restraint can be spoken of as "torment" is indicated by the parallel accounts at Matthew 8:29 and Luke 8:31.

"Some commentators have pointed to Biblical instances of the word 'torment' to support the teaching of eternal suffering in fire. However, as just indicated, there is Scriptural reason to believe that Revelation 20:10 does not have that sense. In fact, verse 14 shows that the 'lake of fire' in which the torment occurs, actually means 'the second death'. And though Jesus spoke of a certain rich man as 'existing in torments' (Luke 16:23,28), Jesus was not describing the literal experience of a real person but, rather, was setting forth an illustration. Revelation provides a number of other instances where 'torment' clearly has an illustrative or symbolic sense, as is evident from the context. (Rev. 9:5; 11:10; 18:7,10)" Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2, p.1115.

So, the 'torment' means the second death, and "death" means death, not sitting around in flames. The devil will be restrained by being dead.

Yes, humans cast into the lake of fire will suffer their second and everlasting death. That will be the end of them forever.

The Devil is not a human, but an immortal spirit and he can only be restrained forever in the lake of fire as it will nrver kill him.

[onewithhim]

The Devil is cast into the lake of fire, meaning he will be dead forever, not sitting around in flames being bored.

The correct word is "tormented" not dead.

The Devil is tormented day and night forever, not dead day and night forever:


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

Here's two other verses which you might want to take note of:

Revelation 22:
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

In case you missed this explanation, I will give it again. The Greek word for "torment" is ba-sa-ni'zo. The Greek noun ba-sa-ni-stes . occurring at Matthew 18:34 is rendered "jailers" in some translations, or the "tormentors", which is actually what the word means. The fact that the prisoner(s) were jailed was their torment. So ba-sa-ni-stes came to be applied to jailers. The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia says: "Probably the imprisonment itself was regarded as 'torment' (as it doubtless was), and the 'tormentors' need mean nothing more than jailors."

Thus, the mentioning in Revelation 20:10 of ones who will be "tormented day and night forever and ever" evidently indicates that they will bein a condition of restraint. That a condition of restraint can be spoken of as "torment" is indicated by the parallel accounts at Matthew 8:29 and Luke 8:31.

"Some commentators have pointed to Biblical instances of the word 'torment' to support the teaching of eternal suffering in fire. However, as just indicated, there is Scriptural reason to believe that Revelation 20:10 does not have that sense. In fact, verse 14 shows that the 'lake of fire' in which the torment occurs, actually means 'the second death'. And though Jesus spoke of a certain rich man as 'existing in torments' (Luke 16:23,28), Jesus was not describing the literal experience of a real person but, rather, was setting forth an illustration. Revelation provides a number of other instances where 'torment' clearly has an illustrative or symbolic sense, as is evident from the context. (Rev. 9:5; 11:10; 18:7,10)" Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2, p.1115.

So, the 'torment' means the second death, and "death" means death, not sitting around in flames. The devil will be restrained by being dead.

Yes, humans cast into the lake of fire will suffer their second and everlasting death. That will be the end of them forever.

The Devil is not a human, but an immortal spirit and he can only be restrained forever in the lake of fire as it will nrver kill him.

The Devil is not human but he can be annihilated. As Paul said to Timothy, at that time only Jesus was immortal, therefore the spirit beings were not immortal. (I Timothy6:16) God would not want to literally torture someone endlessly, with no hope of rehabilitation. If He would, He would be the ultimate sadist.

[myth-one.com]

The Devil is cast into the lake of fire, meaning he will be dead forever, not sitting around in flames being bored.

The correct word is "tormented" not dead. The Devil is tormented day and night forever, not dead day and night forever:

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

The dead cannot be tormented.

[onewithhim]

The Devil is cast into the lake of fire, meaning he will be dead forever, not sitting around in flames being bored.

The correct word is "tormented" not dead. The Devil is tormented day and night forever, not dead day and night forever:

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

The dead cannot be tormented.

The word for "tormented" means "jailed." When one is jailed they cannot function. They cannot do anything anymore. That is what death does to a person. They aren't functioning anymore.

Symbolic terms from a symbolic book.