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In a recent interview, Richard Dawkins, the noted evolutionary biologist and outspoken atheist advocate, talked about how he is a "cultural Christian," and that it would be "truly dreadful" if Islam became dominant in Great Britain and Europe.

He went further to say:
Dawkins wrote:
If I had to choose between Christianity and Islam, I would choose Christianity every single time. I mean, it seems to me to be a fundamentally decent religion in a way that I think Islam is not.

. . .

In so far as Christianity can be seen as a bulwark against Islam, I think it is a very good thing. In Africa, for example, where you have missionaries of both faiths operating, I'm on team Christian's side, as far as that is concerned.
I'm not certain that Muslims actually have missionaries, as such, operating in Africa, or anywhere else for that matter. But it is certainly the case that Muslims and Christians are competing for adherents in Africa, Indonesia, and other countries.

Questions for debate:

(1) Do you agree with Dawkins that Christianity is preferable to Islam?

(2) Do you agree with Dawkins that Christianity is a bulwark against Islam?

(3) If so, do you think that atheists should support Christian missionary activities to limit the spread and influence of Islam?

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The Nice Centurion wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 1:44 pm Additionally we got a good possibility that Paul never existed!
Yeah, sure.

Go with that.
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SiNcE_1985 wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 8:49 am
The Nice Centurion wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 12:26 am Of course not, when all three of them probably never existed!
Then neither did Christopher Columbus, Julius Caesar, or Gengish Khan.
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Yes.There are or were, some who say that paul never existed and marcion invented him to exclude Judaism from Christianity entirely.

I think he existed as 'you couldn'tmake that guy up'.

Some say that Jesus never existed. I think he did, as why would you invent someone born in Galilee and killed by the Romans, and then have to invent excuses to get him born in Bethlehem and make the Jews actually responsible for the crucifixion? I think he has to be real, and Paul, too.

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TRANSPONDER wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 2:28 pm
I do agree with Dawkins. I don't think i could stand the demands of being Muslim.
Would you also agree with Dawkins in supporting (morally, if not financially) Christian missionaries in Africa or Indonesia?

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SiNcE_1985 wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 3:29 pm
historia wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 1:51 pm
Questions for debate:

(1) Do you agree with Dawkins that Christianity is preferable to Islam?
Yes.
(2) Do you agree with Dawkins that Christianity is a bulwark against Islam?
Yes.
Okay, in that case, would you support Mormon and Jehovah's Witnesses missionaries in Africa and Indonesia if they too are serving as a bulwark against Islam?

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historia wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 1:51 pm In a recent interview, Richard Dawkins, the noted evolutionary biologist and outspoken atheist advocate, talked about how he is a "cultural Christian," and that it would be "truly dreadful" if Islam became dominant in Great Britain and Europe.

He went further to say:
Dawkins wrote:
If I had to choose between Christianity and Islam, I would choose Christianity every single time. I mean, it seems to me to be a fundamentally decent religion in a way that I think Islam is not.

. . .

In so far as Christianity can be seen as a bulwark against Islam, I think it is a very good thing. In Africa, for example, where you have missionaries of both faiths operating, I'm on team Christian's side, as far as that is concerned.
I'm not certain that Muslims actually have missionaries, as such, operating in Africa, or anywhere else for that matter. But it is certainly the case that Muslims and Christians are competing for adherents in Africa, Indonesia, and other countries.

Questions for debate:

(1) Do you agree with Dawkins that Christianity is preferable to Islam?

(2) Do you agree with Dawkins that Christianity is a bulwark against Islam?

(3) If so, do you think that atheists should support Christian missionary activities to limit the spread and influence of Islam?
Team Muslim follows the mythological false prophet Muhammad, whereas the approximately 34,000 different sects of Christianity follow the false prophet, Paul. Both wide paths lead to "destruction" (Mt 7:13-15). The missionaries of Islam were their armies, and the tax discounts of becoming a Muslim. The only pearl of Christianity is the 10 Commandments and the prophets (one of which was Yeshua), taken from the Jewish faith, but which are generally disregarded in principle, under the false gospel of grace.

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historia wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 9:44 am
SiNcE_1985 wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 3:29 pm
historia wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 1:51 pm
Questions for debate:

(1) Do you agree with Dawkins that Christianity is preferable to Islam?
Yes.
(2) Do you agree with Dawkins that Christianity is a bulwark against Islam?
Yes.
Okay, in that case, would you support Mormon and Jehovah's Witnesses missionaries in Africa and Indonesia if they too are serving as a bulwark against Islam?
Before answering that, everyone should consider the fact, that the evidence for Joseph Smiths Golden Plates is a thousandfold better than the evidence for Jesus of the Gospels!
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The Nice Centurion wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 1:30 am
SiNcE_1985 wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 8:49 am
The Nice Centurion wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 12:26 am Of course not, when all three of them probably never existed!
Then neither did Christopher Columbus, Julius Caesar, or Gengish Khan.
That's like comparing Donald Duck with Donald Trump!
No, it's more like comparing Paul the Apostle with Paul Simon!
I got 99 problems, dude.

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SiNcE_1985 wrote: Fri May 17, 2024 8:34 pm
The Nice Centurion wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 1:30 am
SiNcE_1985 wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 8:49 am
The Nice Centurion wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 12:26 am Of course not, when all three of them probably never existed!
Then neither did Christopher Columbus, Julius Caesar, or Gengish Khan.
That's like comparing Donald Duck with Donald Trump!
No, it's more like comparing Paul the Apostle with Paul Simon!
With this new comparison you are moving the goalpost to your disadvantage and shoot your own foot!
“If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. But if you drown a man in a fish pond, he will never have to go hungry again🐟

"Only Experts in Reformed Egyptian should be allowed to critique the Book of Mormon❗"

"Joseph Smith can't possibly have been a deceiver.
For if he had been, the Angel Moroni never would have taken the risk of enthrusting him with the Golden Plates❗"

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historia wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 1:51 pm (1) Do you agree with Dawkins that Christianity is preferable to Islam?
Yes. Atheism is also preferable to Islam (and Christianity).
historia wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 1:51 pm (2) Do you agree with Dawkins that Christianity is a bulwark against Islam?
Only insofar as a competing religion. I would prefer truth, rationality, compassion, and lack of needing to choose any religion over any other religion.
historia wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 1:51 pm (3) If so, do you think that atheists should support Christian missionary activities to limit the spread and influence of Islam?
No. I think atheists should become more vocal about the harms caused by all religions where appropriate. In many ways it's too bad atheism isn't an organized 'religion' with missionaries spreading the good news that you don't need religion to be a good human.

I'm on team truth and absolutely despise missionaries in general. Just like I despise any other salesmen trying to peddle their inferior products over better choices.

This entire line of questioning seems to be some sort of "see, Christianity is great!" kind of thing. However, I think anyone not inside the bubble can see that choosing a better bad is really not the best choice. Sometimes we have to put up with a better bad because that's how life is, but I think we can all agree that having the best (whatever you think that is) is always better.

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