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Testing The Russell Brand

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As with most people – perhaps even all that I have ever encountered - I have also learned things from Russell which have helped me in navigating through the murky waters of human interrelationships, so what do I make of these allegations re his past misdeeds, and his absolute denial of all those allegations?
I think the main issue is that he specifically comes from the entertainment industrial complex drugs and sex et al are well known to happen and tolerated within said industry.
The records show, and indeed, he has never denied coming from that particular background, when waving the flag for spiritual enlightenment and the necessity – nay – obligation for the world to turn itself around and start behaving in genuine Love for one another.
My thoughts tend toward acknowledging that the drugs et al may well have affected Russell’s memory and the things he is being accused of may well have happened, even that he has no memory of those things happening.

Yet, why would Russel not recognise this possibility and say so?

The main answer would have to be that the Justice System requires personal accountability and Russell agreeing that these accusations are possibly true (could have possibly happened) will simple be regarded as a admission of guilt.
As such, Jail would be the outcome and so Russell is stuck between a rock and a hard place because even that he has so obviously changed his ways and consistently raises his voice in support of the downtrodden and victimized, and the threat of Jailtime jeopardizes that roll established by Russell.

But to what degree?

Can one ask Russell if he clearly remembers absolutely everything he ever did – in detail – when he was under the influence a prior debauched lifestyle and if so, will the answer be the same from Russell – that he absolutely did not do the things he is being accused of doing?
Because this is what Russell is implying. That he does indeed remember every detail, regardless of his state of mind and heart, and he has nothing to confess being guilty to.

Q: Should Russel admit to the possibility the accusations may be true, if indeed he cannot remember brain-addled times?
Q: Should Russel accept the possibility of jail time and take one for the team – those who support him and support the message he spreads due to his new way of seeing things?
Q: Is Russel’s denial (in the face of the fact that the accusations might be true, and it is just that he can’t remember) having an adverse effect on the message he has been spreading since his transformation?
Q: Will going to Jail change Russel Brand or could it be seen as an opportunity by Russell to share his prior folly and his subsequent change of heart and mind within the confines of said prison?

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Re: Testing The Russell Brand

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William wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:35 pm
Diogenes wrote: Wed Jun 26, 2024 3:22 pm
William wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:57 am
Perhaps the idea of Christians being so forgiving, believing in conspiracies and easily convinced to part with their money for a "worthy Christian cause" has prompted Russell to convert and get baptised?
The Russel Brand and MAGA versions of 'Christianity' are dragging the religion into the gutter. How can anyone, especially Christians, not have contempt for their behavior, claims, and ignorance? Christianity may never fully recover from The Church of the Hypocrisy.

Which "version" of Christianity do you see as being "above gutter level"?
There are many Christians who try to follow the teachings of Jesus, particularly the Beatitudes; they take Jesus seriously about not accumulating wealth, helping the poor, being good neighbors. They do this quietly, with no fanfare, no belligerence, no acrimony. Many of them I have talked to are ashamed of what public 'Christianity' has become.
To me at least, the fact they believe in supernatural myths is almost beside the point. They try to put others first. They practice sacrificial love. This is anathema to the cult of the Beast that wraps itself with the flag and scripture and understand neither.


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Re: Testing The Russell Brand

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William wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:25 pm My thoughts tend toward acknowledging that the drugs et al may well have affected Russell’s memory and the things he is being accused of may well have happened, even that he has no memory of those things happening.

Yet, why would Russel not recognise this possibility and say so?

The main answer would have to be that the Justice System requires personal accountability and Russell agreeing that these accusations are possibly true (could have possibly happened) will simple be regarded as a admission of guilt.
That's a possibility but another one is that most people, even those who taught you to think the way you do, don't think the way you do.

Acknowledging a possibility that does not align with one's current perception is foreign to most people.

I'm saying that this spiritual business, is often malarkey. Nothing stops it from being true malarkey. In fact it's intensely funny (to me) when people who are just making stuff up, happen to be correct. South Park does this a lot. This character (Scuzzlebutt) was obviously made up by a child with limited imagination, then happened to be real.

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My thoughts tend toward acknowledging that the drugs et al may well have affected Russell’s memory and the things he is being accused of may well have happened, even that he has no memory of those things happening.

Yet, why would Russel not recognise this possibility and say so?

The main answer would have to be that the Justice System requires personal accountability and Russell agreeing that these accusations are possibly true (could have possibly happened) will simple be regarded as a admission of guilt.
That's a possibility but another one is that most people, even those who taught you to think the way you do, don't think the way you do.
I turn to one source for all information I deem appropriate to learn from. That in itself was an act of desperation in the initial stages of a transformation from listening to external voices to listening to the internal one(s).

I doubt that Russell thinks the way I do and nobody taught me to think the way I (now) do but in order to get to that point, I had to question everything I was told. Especially when what I am being told is pan-handled as "The Truth"/true/honest-to-God.

From Russell's perspective (I imagine) that the withdrawal of so much support has left him struggling to find ways in which to continue making $ - which is an habitual re most celebs.
Acknowledging a possibility that does not align with one's current perception is foreign to most people.
Once upon a time Christians burned women and cats alive...fearing the "foreign" is a taught thing and often damaging for that...
I'm saying that this spiritual business, is often malarkey.
It is even more widespread than insincere or foolish talk. I recently gave to someone freely, and they are convinced that there is $ to be made from what I give - lots of it.

Of course, it would cost me $ to have it set-up and kick started ($ I don't have spare anyway) but - if anything - it is showing me that everything to do with the Systems of Disparity are scams, whether legal or otherwise.

The stuff I did before I became "spiritually interested" - I took to the lawmakers/enforcers and fessed up.
True - they were not major things like rape et al - but a clean slate is a clean slate...
Nothing stops it from being true malarkey. In fact it's intensely funny (to me) when people who are just making stuff up, happen to be correct. South Park does this a lot. This character (Scuzzlebutt) was obviously made up by a child with limited imagination, then happened to be real.
Thus (for me at least) it is important to respect imagination because it “could” be real.
Sometimes (for example) I get a smile on me dial thinking about the idea that an atheist has a near death experience and meets GOD and GOD comes through the form of The Flying Spaghetti Monster…unconditionally loving and undoubtable, meat balls and all...

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William wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:36 pmThus (for me at least) it is important to respect imagination because it “could” be real.
This is just a few degrees off from what I do, which is to regard all serious possibilities as true, and sometimes even less serious ones. To a large degree these things overlap. So I have this same respect for imagination. I think the movie K-PAX really relates to this. They're all so convinced he can't possibly really be an alien that they lock him up for it. They're so set in their reality where the fantastic is never true, that they're exacting punishment on people for not living in their reality. And if you transplanted these people into a beautiful Isekai, with magic and dragons and wonder, they'd make it into humdrum toil and death. Not by actually explaining things like real science drives us to, but by saying these things can be explained, not bothering to try, and dismissing things that actually happen as illusion or fantasy, or even bias.

I also recognise that imagining things up to deceive people and cash in, is wrong, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with that imagined thing happening to be true. It might be true. But it's the act that's wrong. Our instinct might be to not pass any sort of judgment on these people who happen to be correct, and that might be good, but if we're reserving judgment on obvious scamsters because they might be right, we've taken that too far.
William wrote: Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:36 pmSometimes (for example) I get a smile on me dial thinking about the idea that an atheist has a near death experience and meets GOD and GOD comes through the form of The Flying Spaghetti Monster…unconditionally loving and undoubtable, meat balls and all...
It would disappoint me if I saw anything with a defined physical form at all, at least, with the context that that was really its form. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the same to me as the bearded Jew. If any of it is real they're just placeholders, neither one better or less silly than the other.

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[Replying to Purple Knight in post #14]
They're so set in their reality where the fantastic is never true, that they're exacting punishment on people for not living in their reality. And if you transplanted these people into a beautiful Isekai, with magic and dragons and wonder, they'd make it into humdrum toil and death. Not by actually explaining things like real science drives us to, but by saying these things can be explained, not bothering to try, and dismissing things that actually happen as illusion or fantasy, or even bias.
The celebs are like our (human) “fallen stars” (angels) who are addicted to fame and fortune and stoop to use beguiling illusion and fantasy as a means of trapping gullible minds into supporting this addiction.
The irony is that they could use their positions of influence (re money and connections) to support the building and strengthening of a System of Parity.
Maybe they don’t because they can’t because of obligation contracts they enter into with their management.

But yeah – we can sit here and second guess ‘till the cows come home.
My relationship with The Russell Brand has been going on at an observatory level for many years – simply because I agree with much of what it (through he) speaks to, and it is possible at this point that he is waking up to the power those contractual obligations have over his ability to support a great idea.
Somehow a bridging must occur… where Management itself is convinced that The System of Parity is the best way forward for everyone.

I think of Bob Dylan (as an example of how he got his feet back into the game) the Christian Trip helped him to fund that – but I feel that Bob was being genuine throughout his born-again period and that he had to move on eventually (re one does not stop growing).
Re Bob – he was allowed (perhaps gave himself permission) to give us a clue as to what (whom) he works for – “The Commander in Chief” – and so I am presently asking….
“What is really going on and how can we plebs get into the game/picture/act to help with building a great thing?”
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Russell Brand should confess his crimes and commit himself to the justice system of Great Britain. He can share his spirituality with his fellow inmates while he breaks his daily bread with them.

He can also discuss his marriage with Katy Perry and his movie Arthur.

Perhaps, while imprisoned he'll finally pick a specific religion, rather than a vague salute to all things spiritual.

Hopefully, he picks the correct religion, so he'll go to heaven and not the other place.
Either the Gospel works as advertised, or is fraudulent hocus-pocus!

Either Jesus is a real person who saves those who come to Him, or Christians are in bondage to legions of opposing theological factions, whereby the cross of Christ has no effect!!! 1 Corinthians 1:17,18

Is Christianity not proven false by its own claims? :(

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