JESUS IS NOT GOD

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

[Capbook]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

Marke: Poor students of the Bible and those less acquainted with God have adopted the error of thinking that Jesus was just another man and not one with God from before the foundation of the earth. Jesus is God and He did lay aside His deity in many ways when He came to earth in a body prepared for Him by God.

Jesus is not God just because you say so. And you lack an understanding of what JWs believe. We never said that Jesus was "just another man." We absolutely do believe that he was with God before everything was created. Please don't make statements that you do not know are true.

Marke: Jesus proved He was God by raising the dead and performing many other miracles.

John 3:2
The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Don't insult Jesus. He said time and again that the Father was doing works THROUGH him. He got the power that he had FROM the Father. He would never want anyone to belittle his Father like you have.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50, KJV)

"...And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people that stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 11:41b, 42, KJV)

Jesus always gave credit to his Father. He was happily subordinate to his Father. Your quote from John 3:2 does not say or even imply that Jesus is God. It says that God was with him."

That is "relational subordination", Jesus in human form, humbled Himself and obedient to the Father even death on a cross.
But all those verses above does not say that Jesus is not God. Col 2:9 does say that Jesus' nature is God.

Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

Marke: Poor students of the Bible and those less acquainted with God have adopted the error of thinking that Jesus was just another man and not one with God from before the foundation of the earth. Jesus is God and He did lay aside His deity in many ways when He came to earth in a body prepared for Him by God.

Jesus is not God just because you say so. And you lack an understanding of what JWs believe. We never said that Jesus was "just another man." We absolutely do believe that he was with God before everything was created. Please don't make statements that you do not know are true.

Marke: Jesus proved He was God by raising the dead and performing many other miracles.

John 3:2
The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Don't insult Jesus. He said time and again that the Father was doing works THROUGH him. He got the power that he had FROM the Father. He would never want anyone to belittle his Father like you have.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50, KJV)

"...And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people that stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 11:41b, 42, KJV)

Jesus always gave credit to his Father. He was happily subordinate to his Father. Your quote from John 3:2 does not say or even imply that Jesus is God. It says that God was with him."

That is "relational subordination", Jesus in human form, humbled Himself and obedient to the Father even death on a cross.
But all those verses above does not say that Jesus is not God. Col 2:9 does say that Jesus' nature is God.

Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Jesus in his non-human form, in the spirit realm, was also in subjection to his Father and obeyed Him. If he was God, there would no need to be obeying the Father. He would have the same thoughts as God and there would be no difference. Because he obeyed the Father, he was given a position in the universe that was even higher than he had before he died on the 'cross.' Would God need to be GIVEN anything? No, the Father GAVE to him anything that Jesus had.

"And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, KJV)

See also John 5:19 and John 12:49,50.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1912]
God also gave Jesus the name above every name. If Jesus was God, he wouldn't have to be GIVEN a higher position than he had before. The Father, God, calls all the shots, so to speak.

[Capbook]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

Marke: Poor students of the Bible and those less acquainted with God have adopted the error of thinking that Jesus was just another man and not one with God from before the foundation of the earth. Jesus is God and He did lay aside His deity in many ways when He came to earth in a body prepared for Him by God.

Jesus is not God just because you say so. And you lack an understanding of what JWs believe. We never said that Jesus was "just another man." We absolutely do believe that he was with God before everything was created. Please don't make statements that you do not know are true.

Marke: Jesus proved He was God by raising the dead and performing many other miracles.

John 3:2
The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Don't insult Jesus. He said time and again that the Father was doing works THROUGH him. He got the power that he had FROM the Father. He would never want anyone to belittle his Father like you have.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50, KJV)

"...And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people that stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 11:41b, 42, KJV)

Jesus always gave credit to his Father. He was happily subordinate to his Father. Your quote from John 3:2 does not say or even imply that Jesus is God. It says that God was with him."

That is "relational subordination", Jesus in human form, humbled Himself and obedient to the Father even death on a cross.
But all those verses above does not say that Jesus is not God. Col 2:9 does say that Jesus' nature is God.

Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Jesus in his non-human form, in the spirit realm, was also in subjection to his Father and obeyed Him. If he was God, there would no need to be obeying the Father. He would have the same thoughts as God and there would be no difference. Because he obeyed the Father, he was given a position in the universe that was even higher than he had before he died on the 'cross.' Would God need to be GIVEN anything? No, the Father GAVE to him anything that Jesus had.

"And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, KJV)

See also John 5:19 and John 12:49,50.

This become your logic;
So, would you mean that your son whom of the same nature with you being human, does not need to obey you?
And because he had obeyed you, you give him everything, and because you gave him everything, you two are not the same as human?

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

Marke: Poor students of the Bible and those less acquainted with God have adopted the error of thinking that Jesus was just another man and not one with God from before the foundation of the earth. Jesus is God and He did lay aside His deity in many ways when He came to earth in a body prepared for Him by God.

Jesus is not God just because you say so. And you lack an understanding of what JWs believe. We never said that Jesus was "just another man." We absolutely do believe that he was with God before everything was created. Please don't make statements that you do not know are true.

Marke: Jesus proved He was God by raising the dead and performing many other miracles.

John 3:2
The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Don't insult Jesus. He said time and again that the Father was doing works THROUGH him. He got the power that he had FROM the Father. He would never want anyone to belittle his Father like you have.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50, KJV)

"...And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people that stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 11:41b, 42, KJV)

Jesus always gave credit to his Father. He was happily subordinate to his Father. Your quote from John 3:2 does not say or even imply that Jesus is God. It says that God was with him."

That is "relational subordination", Jesus in human form, humbled Himself and obedient to the Father even death on a cross.
But all those verses above does not say that Jesus is not God. Col 2:9 does say that Jesus' nature is God.

Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Jesus in his non-human form, in the spirit realm, was also in subjection to his Father and obeyed Him. If he was God, there would no need to be obeying the Father. He would have the same thoughts as God and there would be no difference. Because he obeyed the Father, he was given a position in the universe that was even higher than he had before he died on the 'cross.' Would God need to be GIVEN anything? No, the Father GAVE to him anything that Jesus had.

"And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, KJV)

See also John 5:19 and John 12:49,50.

This become your logic;
So, would you mean that your son whom of the same nature with you being human, does not need to obey you?
And because he had obeyed you, you give him everything, and because you gave him everything, you two are not the same as human?

Your question makes no sense to me, I'm sorry.

Uh, yes my son needs to obey me and that is because I am in higher authority than he. Because I gave my son everything that does not make him and myself equal because we are human. ??

[Capbook]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

Marke: Poor students of the Bible and those less acquainted with God have adopted the error of thinking that Jesus was just another man and not one with God from before the foundation of the earth. Jesus is God and He did lay aside His deity in many ways when He came to earth in a body prepared for Him by God.

Jesus is not God just because you say so. And you lack an understanding of what JWs believe. We never said that Jesus was "just another man." We absolutely do believe that he was with God before everything was created. Please don't make statements that you do not know are true.

Marke: Jesus proved He was God by raising the dead and performing many other miracles.

John 3:2
The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Don't insult Jesus. He said time and again that the Father was doing works THROUGH him. He got the power that he had FROM the Father. He would never want anyone to belittle his Father like you have.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50, KJV)

"...And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people that stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 11:41b, 42, KJV)

Jesus always gave credit to his Father. He was happily subordinate to his Father. Your quote from John 3:2 does not say or even imply that Jesus is God. It says that God was with him."

That is "relational subordination", Jesus in human form, humbled Himself and obedient to the Father even death on a cross.
But all those verses above does not say that Jesus is not God. Col 2:9 does say that Jesus' nature is God.

Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Jesus in his non-human form, in the spirit realm, was also in subjection to his Father and obeyed Him. If he was God, there would no need to be obeying the Father. He would have the same thoughts as God and there would be no difference. Because he obeyed the Father, he was given a position in the universe that was even higher than he had before he died on the 'cross.' Would God need to be GIVEN anything? No, the Father GAVE to him anything that Jesus had.

"And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, KJV)

See also John 5:19 and John 12:49,50.

This become your logic;
So, would you mean that your son whom of the same nature with you being human, does not need to obey you?
And because he had obeyed you, you give him everything, and because you gave him everything, you two are not the same as human?

Your question makes no sense to me, I'm sorry.

Uh, yes my son needs to obey me and that is because I am in higher authority than he. Because I gave my son everything that does not make him and myself equal because we are human. ??

Being the same as human, would what I colored blue above correct?
Though the discussion not about "equal" but "the same," and they can be used interchangeably.
Do you mean that you and your son not the same as human?

[onewithhim]

I would very much like to get opinions on this subject. I'll provide several verses from the King James Version of the Bible, and I ask you to give me feed-back.


Jesus' words:

1) "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19)

2) "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me." (John 7:16)

3) "Neither came I of myself, but he sent me." (John 8:42)

He replied, after the Pharisees accused him of making himself God:
4) "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the SON of God?" (John 10:36)

5) "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50)

6) To his Father in prayer: "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God , and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3)

7) "I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God." (John 20:17)

To John in the Revelation:
8) "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God..." (Revelation 3:12)



Do these quotations show that Jesus was NOT God?

Do YOU believe that he claimed to be God?

Marke: Poor students of the Bible and those less acquainted with God have adopted the error of thinking that Jesus was just another man and not one with God from before the foundation of the earth. Jesus is God and He did lay aside His deity in many ways when He came to earth in a body prepared for Him by God.

Jesus is not God just because you say so. And you lack an understanding of what JWs believe. We never said that Jesus was "just another man." We absolutely do believe that he was with God before everything was created. Please don't make statements that you do not know are true.

Marke: Jesus proved He was God by raising the dead and performing many other miracles.

John 3:2
The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Don't insult Jesus. He said time and again that the Father was doing works THROUGH him. He got the power that he had FROM the Father. He would never want anyone to belittle his Father like you have.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50, KJV)

"...And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people that stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 11:41b, 42, KJV)

Jesus always gave credit to his Father. He was happily subordinate to his Father. Your quote from John 3:2 does not say or even imply that Jesus is God. It says that God was with him."

That is "relational subordination", Jesus in human form, humbled Himself and obedient to the Father even death on a cross.
But all those verses above does not say that Jesus is not God. Col 2:9 does say that Jesus' nature is God.

Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Jesus in his non-human form, in the spirit realm, was also in subjection to his Father and obeyed Him. If he was God, there would no need to be obeying the Father. He would have the same thoughts as God and there would be no difference. Because he obeyed the Father, he was given a position in the universe that was even higher than he had before he died on the 'cross.' Would God need to be GIVEN anything? No, the Father GAVE to him anything that Jesus had.

"And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, KJV)

See also John 5:19 and John 12:49,50.

This become your logic;
So, would you mean that your son whom of the same nature with you being human, does not need to obey you?
And because he had obeyed you, you give him everything, and because you gave him everything, you two are not the same as human?

Your question makes no sense to me, I'm sorry.

Uh, yes my son needs to obey me and that is because I am in higher authority than he. Because I gave my son everything that does not make him and myself equal because we are human. ??

Being the same as human, would what I colored blue above correct?
Though the discussion not about "equal" but "the same," and they can be used interchangeably.
Do you mean that you and your son not the same as human?

We are both human, as God and Christ are both Spirit Persons. My son, though, is not the same as I. We are two distinct people with different levels of authority and power. My son will never be equal to me.

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Marke: Poor students of the Bible and those less acquainted with God have adopted the error of thinking that Jesus was just another man and not one with God from before the foundation of the earth. Jesus is God and He did lay aside His deity in many ways when He came to earth in a body prepared for Him by God.

Jesus is not God just because you say so. And you lack an understanding of what JWs believe. We never said that Jesus was "just another man." We absolutely do believe that he was with God before everything was created. Please don't make statements that you do not know are true.

Marke: Jesus proved He was God by raising the dead and performing many other miracles.

John 3:2
The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Don't insult Jesus. He said time and again that the Father was doing works THROUGH him. He got the power that he had FROM the Father. He would never want anyone to belittle his Father like you have.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50, KJV)

"...And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people that stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 11:41b, 42, KJV)

Jesus always gave credit to his Father. He was happily subordinate to his Father. Your quote from John 3:2 does not say or even imply that Jesus is God. It says that God was with him."

That is "relational subordination", Jesus in human form, humbled Himself and obedient to the Father even death on a cross.
But all those verses above does not say that Jesus is not God. Col 2:9 does say that Jesus' nature is God.

Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Jesus in his non-human form, in the spirit realm, was also in subjection to his Father and obeyed Him. If he was God, there would no need to be obeying the Father. He would have the same thoughts as God and there would be no difference. Because he obeyed the Father, he was given a position in the universe that was even higher than he had before he died on the 'cross.' Would God need to be GIVEN anything? No, the Father GAVE to him anything that Jesus had.

"And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, KJV)

See also John 5:19 and John 12:49,50.

This become your logic;
So, would you mean that your son whom of the same nature with you being human, does not need to obey you?
And because he had obeyed you, you give him everything, and because you gave him everything, you two are not the same as human?

Your question makes no sense to me, I'm sorry.

Uh, yes my son needs to obey me and that is because I am in higher authority than he. Because I gave my son everything that does not make him and myself equal because we are human. ??

Being the same as human, would what I colored blue above correct?
Though the discussion not about "equal" but "the same," and they can be used interchangeably.
Do you mean that you and your son not the same as human?

We are both human, as God and Christ are both Spirit Persons. My son, though, is not the same as I. We are two distinct people with different levels of authority and power. My son will never be equal to me.

If your son not the same as you being human, what is he then? Angel, carabao or human.
Are you both do not have the power to reason, have emotion and will?

[onewithhim]

Jesus is not God just because you say so. And you lack an understanding of what JWs believe. We never said that Jesus was "just another man." We absolutely do believe that he was with God before everything was created. Please don't make statements that you do not know are true.

Marke: Jesus proved He was God by raising the dead and performing many other miracles.

John 3:2
The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Don't insult Jesus. He said time and again that the Father was doing works THROUGH him. He got the power that he had FROM the Father. He would never want anyone to belittle his Father like you have.

"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." (John 5:19, KJV)

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50, KJV)

"...And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people that stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me." (John 11:41b, 42, KJV)

Jesus always gave credit to his Father. He was happily subordinate to his Father. Your quote from John 3:2 does not say or even imply that Jesus is God. It says that God was with him."

That is "relational subordination", Jesus in human form, humbled Himself and obedient to the Father even death on a cross.
But all those verses above does not say that Jesus is not God. Col 2:9 does say that Jesus' nature is God.

Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Jesus in his non-human form, in the spirit realm, was also in subjection to his Father and obeyed Him. If he was God, there would no need to be obeying the Father. He would have the same thoughts as God and there would be no difference. Because he obeyed the Father, he was given a position in the universe that was even higher than he had before he died on the 'cross.' Would God need to be GIVEN anything? No, the Father GAVE to him anything that Jesus had.

"And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him..." (Philippians 2:8,9, KJV)

See also John 5:19 and John 12:49,50.

This become your logic;
So, would you mean that your son whom of the same nature with you being human, does not need to obey you?
And because he had obeyed you, you give him everything, and because you gave him everything, you two are not the same as human?

Your question makes no sense to me, I'm sorry.

Uh, yes my son needs to obey me and that is because I am in higher authority than he. Because I gave my son everything that does not make him and myself equal because we are human. ??

Being the same as human, would what I colored blue above correct?
Though the discussion not about "equal" but "the same," and they can be used interchangeably.
Do you mean that you and your son not the same as human?

We are both human, as God and Christ are both Spirit Persons. My son, though, is not the same as I. We are two distinct people with different levels of authority and power. My son will never be equal to me.

If your son not the same as you being human, what is he then? Angel, carabao or human.
Are you both do not have the power to reason, have emotion and will?

I said that my son and I are both human. We can reason, have emotion and will. But we are not equal, just as the Father and the Son are not equal.

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[Replying to onewithhim in post #1919]

Yes you two are equal, in a moral and legal sense, the concept of human equality, meaning all humans are born with equal dignity and rights, is a fundamental principle. Maybe your point as unequal as that humans are not objectively identical in terms of physical and in positions. Just like the Father and Jesus are equal as a just and loving God but not identical in terms of physical and position.