THE FUTURE

[onewithhim]

Haven't we all, at one time or another, wondered what the future will be like? Experts of men have had a spotty reputation as most of their predictions have proved untrue.

What does the Bible tell us? "The God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed....It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand forever." (Daniel 2:44, Revised Standard Version)

Is this good news? Of course, when we realize what God's Kingdom is. It is a real government that will replace all of the existing governments on the earth and stand forever. Stability and order will be brought to people on the earth. What will life be like under this government?

NO MORE WAR (Psalm 46:9)
NO MORE SICKNESS (Isaiah 33:24)
NO MORE FOOD SHORTAGE (Psalm 72:16)
NO MORE PAIN, SORROW AND DEATH (Revelation 21:4)

These are just some of the promises made in the Bible about God's Kingdom, and there are more. God has promised all these wonderful things for the future. All righteously inclined people can avail themselves of these promises. Does this sound good to you?

[myth-one.com]

The earth will be occupied by humans forever.

Will these humans occupying the earth forever be a selected group of individual humans who will live forever?

Or will it be new cycles of humans born as older humans die off?

Or will it be a mixture of both?

There will be no more death, so the humans living on earth will be all those who are resurrected and those who survive through Armageddon. They will all live forever on the earth.

"For evildoers shall be cut off but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth....The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever." (Psalm 37:9,29, KJV)

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain..." (Revelation 21:4, KJV)

There are two type of bodies, natural and spiritual. Humans are natural bodied beings which will die.

Spiritual bodied beings live forever.

When the last living human has been judged and either been born again as a spirit or cast into the lake of fire and suffered their second death, that will be the end of all mankind.

Those humans who have been born again as spirits into the Kingdom of God will then live on the earth forever.

But they will be spirits -- not humans!

[onewithhim]

The earth will be occupied by humans forever.

Will these humans occupying the earth forever be a selected group of individual humans who will live forever?

Or will it be new cycles of humans born as older humans die off?

Or will it be a mixture of both?

There will be no more death, so the humans living on earth will be all those who are resurrected and those who survive through Armageddon. They will all live forever on the earth.

"For evildoers shall be cut off but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth....The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever." (Psalm 37:9,29, KJV)

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain..." (Revelation 21:4, KJV)

There are two type of bodies, natural and spiritual. Humans are natural bodied beings which will die.

Spiritual bodied beings live forever.

When the last living human has been judged and either been born again as a spirit or cast into the lake of fire and suffered their second death, that will be the end of all mankind.

Those humans who have been born again as spirits into the Kingdom of God will then live on the earth forever.

But they will be spirits -- not humans!

Kindly read my post #250. The promises of God are for physical human beings. "Natural bodies" will live on the earth forever.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #241]

The Kingdom of God is present for those who are genuinely reborn with the spirit of Christ given by, and also with the Father's Spirit. And I'm one of those converts. From here my Eschatological view is most probably different than your on the KoG.

I can go add more if you wish...

Yes, what do you think of the following scriptures about the Kingdom?

(Daniel 2:44) "In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed...it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever." (NASB)

(Isaiah 9:6,7) "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on his shoulders....There will be no end to the increase of his government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom. to establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness, from then on and forever more. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this." (NASB)

This is yet to come. And it looks like the Kingdom is more than what is in someone's heart or mind.

Sure, and it it more than a look. It's happening now, the Kingdom is alive today. Although from our perspective today, and in doing our part, it must operation from our hearts and minds; in order to do the will of God on earth today as its being done already in heaven. It must be a spiritual walk of doing God's will, everyday, as citizens of the Kingdom, ever since Christ gained his authority and is King today, in power.

But you still haven't said what the Kingdom is. What did you think about Isaiah 9:6,7?

[APAK]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #253]

Drawing it out..so I will just move out with an innocuous pawn
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The general and initial context of these two verses of Isaiah 9:6-7, is about the future King of the throne of David. Judah’s current enemies were to the North, Israel and Assyria. And of course as we know Yahshua fills this future vacancy for that time spoken of written by Isaiah.

The Kingdom began in the Northern part of Judah Nazareth, the Jordon River region, and in the Galilee region. One of the same areas that the enemies of the North would invade first. Unprotected regions of mainly sheep herders and fishermen. Jesus was from one of these Northern regions, and this is how the Kingdom began, for obscurity into a raging fire that still is not yet contained today. The gospel message is still ringing in the ears of many today.

These Northern people saw the great light of God in his Son, walking amongst them. They were no long in darkness, who not just were used to be in the darkness of war, and the first to die by their enemies, they were also in the darkness and living in permanent spiritual death.

They will rejoice when their harvest time comes, their crops and fruits will last forever because of the Son of God. They arrived into the Kingdom of God.

Jesus conquered and is still conquering like a might warrior then, and even today, because his Father's Kingdom, the Kingdom of gospel believers of eternal life are still smashing and pulverizing all the earthly Kingdoms of the past, today and the future. One day, the Father will retrieve his Kingdom, at the last Day.

The Kingdom is not for tomorrow, it already started with Yahshua, nearly 2000 years ago!

(Isa 9:1)
But there shall be no more gloom for her who was in anguish. In the former time, He brought into contempt the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali; but in the latter time He has made it glorious, by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations.

(Isa 9:2) The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light, those who lived in the land of the shadow of death, on them the light has shined.

(Isa 9:3) You have multiplied the nation, but You have not increased their joy. They will rejoice before You according to the joy in harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.

(Isa 9:4) For the yoke of his burden and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, You have broken as in the day of Midian.

(Isa 9:5) For all the armour of the armed man in the noisy battle and the garments rolled in blood will be for burning, fuel for the fire.

(Isa 9:6) For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Divine Warrior, Father of the Eternal Age, Prince of Peace.

(Isa 9:7) Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from that time on, even forever. The zeal of Yahweh of Armies will perform this.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #253]

Drawing it out..so I will just move out with an innocuous pawn
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The general and initial context of these two verses of Isaiah 9:6-7, is about the future King of the throne of David. Judah’s current enemies were to the North, Israel and Assyria. And of course as we know Yahshua fills this future vacancy for that time spoken of written by Isaiah.

The Kingdom began in the Northern part of Judah Nazareth, the Jordon River region, and in the Galilee region. One of the same areas that the enemies of the North would invade first. Unprotected regions of mainly sheep herders and fishermen. Jesus was from one of these Northern regions, and this is how the Kingdom began, for obscurity into a raging fire that still is not yet contained today. The gospel message is still ringing in the ears of many today.

These Northern people saw the great light of God in his Son, walking amongst them. They were no long in darkness, who not just were used to be in the darkness of war, and the first to die by their enemies, they were also in the darkness and living in permanent spiritual death.

They will rejoice when their harvest time comes, their crops and fruits will last forever because of the Son of God. They arrived into the Kingdom of God.

Jesus conquered and is still conquering like a might warrior then, and even today, because his Father's Kingdom, the Kingdom of gospel believers of eternal life are still smashing and pulverizing all the earthly Kingdoms of the past, today and the future. One day, the Father will retrieve his Kingdom, at the last Day.

The Kingdom is not for tomorrow, it already started with Yahshua, nearly 2000 years ago!

(Isa 9:1)
But there shall be no more gloom for her who was in anguish. In the former time, He brought into contempt the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali; but in the latter time He has made it glorious, by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations.

(Isa 9:2) The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light, those who lived in the land of the shadow of death, on them the light has shined.

(Isa 9:3) You have multiplied the nation, but You have not increased their joy. They will rejoice before You according to the joy in harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.

(Isa 9:4) For the yoke of his burden and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, You have broken as in the day of Midian.

(Isa 9:5) For all the armour of the armed man in the noisy battle and the garments rolled in blood will be for burning, fuel for the fire.

(Isa 9:6) For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Divine Warrior, Father of the Eternal Age, Prince of Peace.

(Isa 9:7) Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from that time on, even forever. The zeal of Yahweh of Armies will perform this.

You say the Kingdom is not for the future? Has Daniel 2:44 been fulfilled? Have all of the governments of men been demolished?

"And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever."

[APAK]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #253]

Drawing it out..so I will just move out with an innocuous pawn
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The general and initial context of these two verses of Isaiah 9:6-7, is about the future King of the throne of David. Judah’s current enemies were to the North, Israel and Assyria. And of course as we know Yahshua fills this future vacancy for that time spoken of written by Isaiah.

The Kingdom began in the Northern part of Judah Nazareth, the Jordon River region, and in the Galilee region. One of the same areas that the enemies of the North would invade first. Unprotected regions of mainly sheep herders and fishermen. Jesus was from one of these Northern regions, and this is how the Kingdom began, for obscurity into a raging fire that still is not yet contained today. The gospel message is still ringing in the ears of many today.

These Northern people saw the great light of God in his Son, walking amongst them. They were no long in darkness, who not just were used to be in the darkness of war, and the first to die by their enemies, they were also in the darkness and living in permanent spiritual death.

They will rejoice when their harvest time comes, their crops and fruits will last forever because of the Son of God. They arrived into the Kingdom of God.

Jesus conquered and is still conquering like a might warrior then, and even today, because his Father's Kingdom, the Kingdom of gospel believers of eternal life are still smashing and pulverizing all the earthly Kingdoms of the past, today and the future. One day, the Father will retrieve his Kingdom, at the last Day.

The Kingdom is not for tomorrow, it already started with Yahshua, nearly 2000 years ago!

(Isa 9:1)
But there shall be no more gloom for her who was in anguish. In the former time, He brought into contempt the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali; but in the latter time He has made it glorious, by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations.

(Isa 9:2) The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light, those who lived in the land of the shadow of death, on them the light has shined.

(Isa 9:3) You have multiplied the nation, but You have not increased their joy. They will rejoice before You according to the joy in harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.

(Isa 9:4) For the yoke of his burden and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, You have broken as in the day of Midian.

(Isa 9:5) For all the armour of the armed man in the noisy battle and the garments rolled in blood will be for burning, fuel for the fire.

(Isa 9:6) For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Divine Warrior, Father of the Eternal Age, Prince of Peace.

(Isa 9:7) Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from that time on, even forever. The zeal of Yahweh of Armies will perform this.

You say the Kingdom is not for the future? Has Daniel 2:44 been fulfilled? Have all of the governments of men been demolished?

"And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever."

I think you did not read my post carefully..

I said, "The Kingdom is not for tomorrow, it already started with Yahshua, nearly 2000 years ago!"

I never said where it would all go once it started with Yahshua. Now when the number of all the chosen of all remnants are saved then the Kingdom is mature and the Kingdom returned to the Father, in that future time.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #253]

Drawing it out..so I will just move out with an innocuous pawn
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The general and initial context of these two verses of Isaiah 9:6-7, is about the future King of the throne of David. Judah’s current enemies were to the North, Israel and Assyria. And of course as we know Yahshua fills this future vacancy for that time spoken of written by Isaiah.

The Kingdom began in the Northern part of Judah Nazareth, the Jordon River region, and in the Galilee region. One of the same areas that the enemies of the North would invade first. Unprotected regions of mainly sheep herders and fishermen. Jesus was from one of these Northern regions, and this is how the Kingdom began, for obscurity into a raging fire that still is not yet contained today. The gospel message is still ringing in the ears of many today.

These Northern people saw the great light of God in his Son, walking amongst them. They were no long in darkness, who not just were used to be in the darkness of war, and the first to die by their enemies, they were also in the darkness and living in permanent spiritual death.

They will rejoice when their harvest time comes, their crops and fruits will last forever because of the Son of God. They arrived into the Kingdom of God.

Jesus conquered and is still conquering like a might warrior then, and even today, because his Father's Kingdom, the Kingdom of gospel believers of eternal life are still smashing and pulverizing all the earthly Kingdoms of the past, today and the future. One day, the Father will retrieve his Kingdom, at the last Day.

The Kingdom is not for tomorrow, it already started with Yahshua, nearly 2000 years ago!

(Isa 9:1)
But there shall be no more gloom for her who was in anguish. In the former time, He brought into contempt the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali; but in the latter time He has made it glorious, by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations.

(Isa 9:2) The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light, those who lived in the land of the shadow of death, on them the light has shined.

(Isa 9:3) You have multiplied the nation, but You have not increased their joy. They will rejoice before You according to the joy in harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.

(Isa 9:4) For the yoke of his burden and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, You have broken as in the day of Midian.

(Isa 9:5) For all the armour of the armed man in the noisy battle and the garments rolled in blood will be for burning, fuel for the fire.

(Isa 9:6) For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Divine Warrior, Father of the Eternal Age, Prince of Peace.

(Isa 9:7) Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from that time on, even forever. The zeal of Yahweh of Armies will perform this.

You say the Kingdom is not for the future? Has Daniel 2:44 been fulfilled? Have all of the governments of men been demolished?

"And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever."

I think you did not read my post carefully..

I said, "The Kingdom is not for tomorrow, it already started with Yahshua, nearly 2000 years ago!"

I never said where it would all go once it started with Yahshua. Now when the number of all the chosen of all remnants are saved then the Kingdom is mature and the Kingdom returned to the Father, in that future time.

I read your post carefully. You say on one hand that the Kingdom began with Jesus 2,000 years ago, and then on the other hand you say that the Kingdom will become "mature" in the future. How does the Kingdom become "mature" when, as you say, Jesus has been ruling for 2,000 years? All that time and the Kingdom is not mature? And you didn't say anything about Daniel 2:44.

[APAK]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #253]

Drawing it out..so I will just move out with an innocuous pawn
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The general and initial context of these two verses of Isaiah 9:6-7, is about the future King of the throne of David. Judah’s current enemies were to the North, Israel and Assyria. And of course as we know Yahshua fills this future vacancy for that time spoken of written by Isaiah.

The Kingdom began in the Northern part of Judah Nazareth, the Jordon River region, and in the Galilee region. One of the same areas that the enemies of the North would invade first. Unprotected regions of mainly sheep herders and fishermen. Jesus was from one of these Northern regions, and this is how the Kingdom began, for obscurity into a raging fire that still is not yet contained today. The gospel message is still ringing in the ears of many today.

These Northern people saw the great light of God in his Son, walking amongst them. They were no long in darkness, who not just were used to be in the darkness of war, and the first to die by their enemies, they were also in the darkness and living in permanent spiritual death.

They will rejoice when their harvest time comes, their crops and fruits will last forever because of the Son of God. They arrived into the Kingdom of God.

Jesus conquered and is still conquering like a might warrior then, and even today, because his Father's Kingdom, the Kingdom of gospel believers of eternal life are still smashing and pulverizing all the earthly Kingdoms of the past, today and the future. One day, the Father will retrieve his Kingdom, at the last Day.

The Kingdom is not for tomorrow, it already started with Yahshua, nearly 2000 years ago!

(Isa 9:1)
But there shall be no more gloom for her who was in anguish. In the former time, He brought into contempt the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali; but in the latter time He has made it glorious, by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations.

(Isa 9:2) The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light, those who lived in the land of the shadow of death, on them the light has shined.

(Isa 9:3) You have multiplied the nation, but You have not increased their joy. They will rejoice before You according to the joy in harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.

(Isa 9:4) For the yoke of his burden and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, You have broken as in the day of Midian.

(Isa 9:5) For all the armour of the armed man in the noisy battle and the garments rolled in blood will be for burning, fuel for the fire.

(Isa 9:6) For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Divine Warrior, Father of the Eternal Age, Prince of Peace.

(Isa 9:7) Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from that time on, even forever. The zeal of Yahweh of Armies will perform this.

You say the Kingdom is not for the future? Has Daniel 2:44 been fulfilled? Have all of the governments of men been demolished?

"And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever."

I think you did not read my post carefully..

I said, "The Kingdom is not for tomorrow, it already started with Yahshua, nearly 2000 years ago!"

I never said where it would all go once it started with Yahshua. Now when the number of all the chosen of all remnants are saved then the Kingdom is mature and the Kingdom returned to the Father, in that future time.

I read your post carefully. You say on one hand that the Kingdom began with Jesus 2,000 years ago, and then on the other hand you say that the Kingdom will become "mature" in the future. How does the Kingdom become "mature" when, as you say, Jesus has been ruling for 2,000 years? All that time and the Kingdom is not mature? And you didn't say anything about Daniel 2:44.

Christ has been 'ruling' and continues to this day, not in the way you must be thinking or imaging how he rules, as with some type of physical intervention with the nations, showing his physical power etc. That is what movies are made of. This is a passive spiritual rule, in the invisible spiritual realm. He is within the the hearts and spirits of the true believers, and in each new person in Christ in every new generation. He impresses upon every new creature in him, and thus rules their hearts. He lives, his spirit lives within, and dominates each believer, if our will is squelched to enable this rulership to be present. So, this is also why the Kingdom is surely not mature today and completed, as it is not time according to the Father.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #253]

Drawing it out..so I will just move out with an innocuous pawn
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The general and initial context of these two verses of Isaiah 9:6-7, is about the future King of the throne of David. Judah’s current enemies were to the North, Israel and Assyria. And of course as we know Yahshua fills this future vacancy for that time spoken of written by Isaiah.

The Kingdom began in the Northern part of Judah Nazareth, the Jordon River region, and in the Galilee region. One of the same areas that the enemies of the North would invade first. Unprotected regions of mainly sheep herders and fishermen. Jesus was from one of these Northern regions, and this is how the Kingdom began, for obscurity into a raging fire that still is not yet contained today. The gospel message is still ringing in the ears of many today.

These Northern people saw the great light of God in his Son, walking amongst them. They were no long in darkness, who not just were used to be in the darkness of war, and the first to die by their enemies, they were also in the darkness and living in permanent spiritual death.

They will rejoice when their harvest time comes, their crops and fruits will last forever because of the Son of God. They arrived into the Kingdom of God.

Jesus conquered and is still conquering like a might warrior then, and even today, because his Father's Kingdom, the Kingdom of gospel believers of eternal life are still smashing and pulverizing all the earthly Kingdoms of the past, today and the future. One day, the Father will retrieve his Kingdom, at the last Day.

The Kingdom is not for tomorrow, it already started with Yahshua, nearly 2000 years ago!

(Isa 9:1)
But there shall be no more gloom for her who was in anguish. In the former time, He brought into contempt the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali; but in the latter time He has made it glorious, by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations.

(Isa 9:2) The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light, those who lived in the land of the shadow of death, on them the light has shined.

(Isa 9:3) You have multiplied the nation, but You have not increased their joy. They will rejoice before You according to the joy in harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.

(Isa 9:4) For the yoke of his burden and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, You have broken as in the day of Midian.

(Isa 9:5) For all the armour of the armed man in the noisy battle and the garments rolled in blood will be for burning, fuel for the fire.

(Isa 9:6) For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Divine Warrior, Father of the Eternal Age, Prince of Peace.

(Isa 9:7) Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, on the throne of David, and on his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from that time on, even forever. The zeal of Yahweh of Armies will perform this.

You say the Kingdom is not for the future? Has Daniel 2:44 been fulfilled? Have all of the governments of men been demolished?

"And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever."

I think you did not read my post carefully..

I said, "The Kingdom is not for tomorrow, it already started with Yahshua, nearly 2000 years ago!"

I never said where it would all go once it started with Yahshua. Now when the number of all the chosen of all remnants are saved then the Kingdom is mature and the Kingdom returned to the Father, in that future time.

I read your post carefully. You say on one hand that the Kingdom began with Jesus 2,000 years ago, and then on the other hand you say that the Kingdom will become "mature" in the future. How does the Kingdom become "mature" when, as you say, Jesus has been ruling for 2,000 years? All that time and the Kingdom is not mature? And you didn't say anything about Daniel 2:44.

Christ has been 'ruling' and continues to this day, not in the way you must be thinking or imaging how he rules, as with some type of physical intervention with the nations, showing his physical power etc. That is what movies are made of. This is a passive spiritual rule, in the invisible spiritual realm. He is within the the hearts and spirits of the true believers, and in each new person in Christ in every new generation. He impresses upon every new creature in him, and thus rules their hearts. He lives, his spirit lives within, and dominates each believer, if our will is squelched to enable this rulership to be present. So, this is also why the Kingdom is surely not mature today and completed, as it is not time according to the Father.

So what does Daniel 2:44 mean?

[JehovahsWitness]

Exactly. Here us a quotr from my CHATGPT thread.

MY QUESTION Are there any verses that explicitly state that Christ will have a government or rulership and attribute that rulership to his agency?

ChatGPT said:
Yes—there are several verses that explicitly state that Christ will have a government or rulership and that this rule is directly attributed to Him personally. These aren't vague or symbolic; some are quite straightforward in describing His authority, kingship, and future reign as being exercised by Him directly.

Let’s look at some key ones:

Isaiah 9:6–7 — A Prophecy of the Messiah’s Government
“For to us a child is born, to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end,
on the throne of David and over his kingdom,
to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness
from this time forth and forevermore.”

Direct implication: Christ personally carries the government—on His shoulder. This prophecy attributes rule and kingship to the Messiah Himself, not to a proxy or institution.

Revelation 19:15–16 — Christ as Ruling King
“From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations,
and he will rule them with a rod of iron…
On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written,
King of kings and Lord of lords.”

Direct implication: Christ personally rules the nations. The ruling is not by delegation but by His own hand—“he will rule…”

Daniel 7:13–14 — The Son of Man Receives a Kingdom
“And behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man,
and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him.
And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him;
his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away,
and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.”

Direct implication: Dominion is given to Christ (the Son of Man) Himself. All peoples serve Him, not an intermediary.

Luke 1:32–33 — The Angel Gabriel’s Message to Mary
“He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.
And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David,
and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever,
and of his kingdom there will be no end.”

Direct implication: Jesus Himself is the one who will reign and have the throne. This is His personal kingdom.

Revelation 11:15
“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ,
and he shall reign forever and ever.”

Direct implication: It is Christ Himself who reigns—He is the king.

Conclusion:
The Bible clearly and explicitly attributes rulership, dominion, government, and kingship to Christ Himself—not through proxy, not through the church, but as a personal, direct reign. This reign is often described as:

• Universal ("all nations")

• Eternal ("forever and ever")

• Personal ("He shall reign", "His kingdom", "on His shoulder")

So yes—Scripture is very clear that Christ will personally have a government and will directly rule.