Biggest False Prophesy in the Bible

[Diogenes]

"Now the Lord said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
_ Genesis 12
Ireland has just joined South Africa in condemning Israel for Genocide.
Far-Right Israeli Minister Calls for Destruction of West Bank Cities reads the headline.

Most of the world condemns Israel for the 46,000 Palestinians killed in Gaza while Israel continues to occupy and homestead in the West Bank. Fundamentalist Christians back the criminal Netanyahu, Israel's answer to Hitler.

The Bible is drenched in false prophesies, but is this the worst? ... the most obvious? The most genocidal? God promised to make Abram prosper and that the world would bless his country for marching into another country, killing, raping, pillaging, and enslaving them; and the world will bless them for it?!
Is this a joke? How ignorant and biased do you have to be to believe these lies and rubbish? No wonder Christians support the constant lies of Donald Trump; there is a long history They have a long history of believing lies. 3000-4000 years of constant warfare and the Abrahamic religions have always been at the center of the killing.
Praise God!

[A Freeman]

[Replying to A Freeman in post #18]

The truth will always seem silly to those who find it to be a foreign language. This is obviously a subject you have probably never considered before, much less read about or studied. The snide remark about Keltoi, and the ridiculous idea that an entire peninsula was allegedly named after a river that runs through it, serve as proof that you are completely out of your element.

I cited my source.

Without thinking about it. How do you think the river got its name? Do you think it named itself? Or do you think it may have been named by the descendants of Eber, aka the Hebrews?

And why isn't it the Iberian/Heberian peninsula -- where Spain is located -- referred to as the Spanish peninsula? Again, because the Hebrew people that named it lived there BEFORE the Spanish.

The Welsh language is reportedly the closest modern language to ancient Hebrew, which is yet another of hundreds of signs which make it obvious that the British people are the Israelites.

"According to the eLinguistics.net analysis using specific software modules to assess linguistic relationships, the five languages most similar to Hebrew are Arabic, Tigrigna, Amharic, Tamasheq, and Kabylian. Interestingly enough, four of the five of these languages are primarily spoken in Africa."
https://objectivelists.com/the-most-sim ... to-hebrew/

Again, I cite my source.

Again, without thinking about it. Arabic is a language that was invented c. the 9th century AD. Arabic was derived from Aramaic (specifically Syro-Aramaic, aka Syriac), a Semitic root language that Jesus spoke. Do you know what the very first book written in Arabic was? The Koran/Quran. A book that was likewise originally written in Syro-Aramaic. That's why we find hundreds of Syro-Aramaic words in the Koran/Quran today (including the word "Quran" itself"), even though there are Arabic words that have the same meaning as the Syro-Aramaic words left in the Koran.

The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran

With regard to the other languages in the list you cited, which are likewise derivative (e.g. Tigre, Tigrinya and Amharic are all descended from the earlier language Ge`ez), they are often presented without merit to promote the notion that the Ethiopians (the descendants of Cush, which were Hamites, NOT Semites) are allegedly Hebrews, even though they do not have an unbroken monarchy, nor fit ANY of the other prophetic descriptions of the Israelite NATIONS (plural), nor are even Semitic.

No one, other than the British people*, have grown into a “multitude in the midst of the earth” AND become “a multitude (Commonwealth) of nations”

Just because Britain swelled into a global empire and Israel never has doesn't mean that you can swap one for the other. If someone prophesies that the Phillies will win the World Series and the Cubs end up winning instead, you can't just say that the Cubs are the true Phillies to pretend that the prophecy was fulfilled.

Perhaps you should look up the logical fallacy known as "false equivalence" since you seem to resort to using it so frequently.

A more accurate analogy, using your silly baseball teams, would be if someone predicted that the Cubs would win 95 world series in a row, and the world watched as the Cubs did exactly that after the prediction was made. We could then logically conclude that:
1) the individual that made the prediction obviously knew what they were talking about, and thus is a trusted, reliable source for information, and/or
2) all of the world series games were fixed for that 95 year period.

Either way, the individual who made the predictions obviously knew in advance what would happen. So, if someone later came along and "cited a source" that claimed it was really the Phillies who were prophesied to win those games or that it was really the Phillies who won some or all of those 95 world series games, we would be able to confidently conclude that those cited sources were total nonsense, given the written historical record didn't support their errant claims.

As our Creator, in His Message to mankind, has very clearly and accurately provided at least 95 prophecies to describe the true people Israel during the latter times, the only LOGICAL conclusion one can draw from the available evidence is that if we find a people that fit ALL of those prophetic descriptions of the people Israel and another that fits NONE of those prophetic descriptions, then the former MUST be the true people Israel and the latter MUST be a group of counterfeit pretenders.

THINK about it.

AND have a monarchy that can trace it lineage back to king David

You're basing this circular argument on an assumption of it.
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Nonsense. The promise that God made to David about David never lacking an heir to sit on the throne in Israel until Christ returns (at which time the throne shall be given to Christ - Luke 1:31-33) has been previously provided, along with citations (e.g. in Jeremiah 33:17-21; 1 Chron. 17:10-14; 2 Chron. 1:9; 2 Chron. 7:18: Ps. 89:3-4; Ps. 89:34-36; Ps. 132:10-11; and see also: 2 Sam. 7:12-17; 2 Sam. 22:51; 2 Sam. 23:5; 2 Chron. 13:5; 2 Chron. 21:7; 2 Chron. 23:3). And the following lineage, courtesy of The Queen's Royal Descent from king David is provided below, which should leave no reasonable doubt that this isn't any "circular argument" nor is it an assumption.

ADAM To VICTORIA.
GENERATIONS.

1. Adam (B.C. 4000-3070), Eve.
2. Seth (B.C. 3870-2978).
3. Enos (B.C. 3765-2860).
4. Cainan (B.C. 3675-2765).
5. Mahalaleel (B.C. 3605-2710).
6. Jared (B.C. 3540-2578).
7. Enoch (B.C. 3378-3013).
8. Methuselah (B.C. 3313-2344).
9. Lamech (B.C. 3126-2344).
10. Noah (B.C. 2944-2006), Naamah,
11. Shem (B.C. 2442-2158).
12. Arphaxad (B.C. 2342-1904).
13. Salah (B.C. 2307-2126).
14. Heber (B.C. 2277-2187).
15. Peleg (B.C. 2243-2004).
16. Reu (B.C. 2213-2026).
17. Serug (B.C. 2181-2049).
18. Nahor (B.C. 2052-2003).
19. Terah (B.C. 2122-2083), Amtheta.
20. Abraham (B.C. 1992-1817), Sarah.
21. Isaac (R.C. 1896-1716), Rebekah.
22. Jacob (B.C. 1837-1690), Leah.
23. Judah (b. B.C. 1753), Tamar.
24. Hezron.
25. Aram
26. Aminadab.
27. Naashon.
28. Salmon.
29. Boaz (B.C. 1812), Ruth.
30. Obed.
31. Jesse.

[KINGS OF ISRAEL.]

32. K. David (B.C. 1085-1015), Bathsheba.
33. K. Solomon (B.C. 1033-975), Naamah.
34. K. Rehoboam (B.C. b. 1016, d. 958), Maacah.
35. K. Abijam (B.C. 958-955).
36. K. Asa (BC. 955-914), Azubah.
37. K. Jehoshaphat (B.C. 914-889).
38. K. Jehoram (B.C. 889-885), Athaliah.
39. K. Ahaziah (B.C. 906-884), Zibiah.
40. K. Joash (B.C. 885-839), Jehoaddan.
41. K. Amaziah (B.C. b. 864, d. 810), Jecholiah.
42. K. Uzziah (B.C. b. 826, d. 758), Jerushah.
43. K. Jotham (B.C. b. 783, d. 742).
44. K. Ahaz (B.C. b. 787, d. 726), Abi.
45. K. Hezekiah (B.C. b. 751, d. 698), Hephzibah.
46. K. Manasseh (B.C. b. 710, d. 643), Meshullemeth.
47. K. Amon (B.C. b. 621, d. 611), Jedidah.
48. K. Josiah (B.C. b. 649, d. 610), Hamutah.
49. K. Zedekiah (B.C. 578-599).

[KINGS OF IRELAND.]

50. K. Heremon (fl. B.C. 580), Tea Tephi.
51. K. Irial Faidh (reigned 10 years).
52. K. Eithriall (reigned 20 years).
53. Follain.
54. K. Tighernmas (reigned 50 years).
55. Eanbotha.
56. Smiorguil.
57. K. Fiachadh Labhriane (reigned 24 years).
58. K. Aongus Ollmuchaidh (reigned 21 years).
59. Maoin.
60. K. Rotheachta (reigned 25 years).
61. Dein.
62. K. Siorna Saoghalach (reigned 21 years).
63. Oholla Olchaoin.
64. K. Giallebadh (reigned 9 years).
65. K. Aodhain Glas (reigned 20 years).
66. K. Simeon Breac (reigned 6 years).
67. K. Muireadach Bolgrach (reigned 4 years).
68. K. Fiachadh Tolgrach (reigned 7 years).
69. K. Duach Laidhrach (reigned 10 years).
70. Eochaidh Buaigllcrg.
71. K. Ugaine More the Great (reigned 30 years).
72. K. Cobhthach Coalbreag (reigned 30 years).
73. Meilage.
74. K. Jaran Gleofathaeb (reigned 7 years)
75. K. Coula Cruaidh Cealgach (reigned 4 years).
76. K. Oiliolla Caisfhiachach (reigned 25 years).
77. K. Eochaidh Foltleathan (reigned 11 years).
78. K. Aongus Tuirmheach Teamharch (reigned 30 years)
79. K. Eana Aighneach (reigned 28 years).
80. Labhra Suire.
81. Blathuchta.
82. Easamhuin Eamhua.
83. Roighnein Ruadh.
84. Finlogha.
85. Fian.
86. K. Eodchaidh Feidhlioch (reigned 12 years).
87. Fineamhuas.
88. K. Lughaidh Riadhdearg.
89. K. Criombthan Niadhnar (reigned 16 years).
90. Fearaidhach Fion Feachtnuigh.
91. K. Fiaebadh Fionoluidh (reigned 20 years).
92. K. Tuathal Teachtmar (reigned 50 years).
93. K. Coun Ceadchatbach (reigned 20 years).
94. K. Arb Aonflier (reigned 30 years).
95. K. Cormae Usada (reigned 40 years).
96. K. Caibre Liffeachair (reigned 27 years).
97. K. Fiachadh Sreabthuine (reigned 30 years).
98. K. Muireadhach Tireach (reigned 30 years).
99. K. Eochaidh Moigmeodhin (reigned 7 years).
100. K. Niall of the Nine Hostages.
101. Eogan.
102. K. Murireadhach.
103. Earea.

[KINGS OF ARGYLESHIRE.]

104. K. Feargus More (A.D. 487).
105. K. Dongard (d. 457).
106. K. Conran (d. 535).
107. K. Aidan (d. 604).
108. K. Eugene IV. (d. 622).
109. K. Donald IV. (d. 650).
110. Dongard.
111. K. Eugene V. (d. 692).
112. Findan.
113. K. Eugene VII (d. A.D. 721), Spondan.
114. K. Effinus (d. A.D. 761), Fergina.
115. K. Achaius (d. A.D. 819), Fergusia.
116. K. Alpin (d. A.D. 834).

[SOVEREIGNS OF SCOTLAND.]

117. K. Kenneth II. (d. A.D. 854).
118. K. Constantin II. (d. A.D. 874).
119. K. Donald VI. (d. A.D. 903).
120. K. Malcolm I. (d. A.D. 958).
121. K. Kenneth III. (d. A.D. 994).
122. K. Malcolm II. (d. A.D. 1033).
123. Beatrix m. Thane Albanach.
124. K. Duncan I. (d. A.D. 1040).
125. K. Malcolm III. Canmore (A.D. 1055-1093), Margaret of England.
126. K. David I. (d. A.D. 1153), Maud of Northumberland.
127. Prince Henry (d. A.D. 1152), Adama of Surrey.
128. Earl David (d. A.D. 1219), Maud of Chester.
129. Isobel m. Robert Bruce III.
130. Robert Bruce IV. m. Isobel of Gloucester.
131. Robert Bruce V. m. Martha of Carriok.
132. K. Robert I. Bruce (A.D. 1306-1329), Mary of Burke.
133. Margary Bruce m. Walter Stewart III.
134. K. Robert II (d. A.D. 1390), Euphemia of Ross (d. A.D. 1376).
135. K. Robert Ill. (d. A.D. 1406), Arabella Drummond (d. A.D. 1401)
136. K. James I (A.D. 1424-1437), Joan Beaufort.
137. K. James II. (d. A.D. 1460), Margaret of Gueldres (d. A.D. 1463).
188. K. James III. (d. A.D. 1488), Margaret of Denmark (d. A.D. 1484).
139. K. James IV. (d. A.D. 1543), Margaret of England (d. A.D. 1539).
140. K. James V. (d. A.D. 1542), Mary of Lorraine (d. A.D. 1560).
141. Q. Mary (d. A.D. 1587), Lord Henry Darnley.

[SOVEREIGNS OF GREAT BRITAIN.]

142. K. James VI. and I. (A.D. 1603-1625), Ann of Denmark.
143. Princess Elizabeth (1596-1613), K. Frederick of Bohemia.
144. Princess Sophia m. Duke Ernest of Brunswick.
145. K. George I. (1698-1727), Sophia Dorothea Zelle (1667- 1726).
146. K. George II. (1727-1760), Princess Caroline of Auspach (1683-1737).
147. Prince Frederick of Wales (1707-1751), Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha.
148. K. George III. (1760-1820), Princess Sophia of Mecklenburgh Strelitz (1744-1818).
149. Duke Edward of Kent (1767-1820), Princess Victoria of Leiningen.
160. Q. Victoria (b. 1819, cr. 1838), Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg.

For those who may not be familiar with Teia Tephi, who was king Zedekiah's daughter, that came to Ireland with Jeremiah the Prophet and "the hostages" (2 Chron. 25:24), i.e. The Ark of The Covenant and Jacob's Pillar-Stone (aka the Coronation Stone, Bethel Stone, Lia Fail, etc.), please see the links below to her story in brief and her autobiographical account:

The Story in Brief of Tephi, queen of Tara and Gibraltar

The Book of Tephi

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to A Freeman in post #21]

I cited my source.

Without thinking about it. How do you think the river got its name? Do you think it named itself? Or do you think it may have been named by the descendants of Eber, aka the Hebrews?

I think it more likely that it was given its name from the Basque word ibar ("estuary").
https://aunamendi.eusko-ikaskuntza.eus/ ... ar-152135/#


Again, I cite my source.

Again, without thinking about it. Arabic is a language that was invented c. the 9th century AD. Arabic was derived from Aramaic (specifically Syro-Aramaic, aka Syriac), a Semitic root language that Jesus spoke. Do you know what the very first book written in Arabic was? The Koran/Quran. A book that was likewise originally written in Syro-Aramaic. That's why we find hundreds of Syro-Aramaic words in the Koran/Quran today (including the word "Quran" itself"), even though there are Arabic words that have the same meaning as the Syro-Aramaic words left in the Koran.

With regard to the other languages in the list you cited, which are likewise derivative (e.g. Tigre, Tigrinya and Amharic are all descended from the earlier language Ge`ez), they are often presented without merit to promote the notion that the Ethiopians (the descendants of Cush, which were Hamites, NOT Semites) are allegedly Hebrews, even though they do not have an unbroken monarchy, nor fit ANY of the other prophetic descriptions of the Israelite NATIONS (plural), nor are even Semitic.

......none of which refutes the fact that if Welsh were closely related to Hebrew, it would at least make the top five most Hebrew-similar languages. It doesn't.


Just because Britain swelled into a global empire and Israel never has doesn't mean that you can swap one for the other. If someone prophesies that the Phillies will win the World Series and the Cubs end up winning instead, you can't just say that the Cubs are the true Phillies to pretend that the prophecy was fulfilled.

Perhaps you should look up the logical fallacy known as "false equivalence" since you seem to resort to using it so frequently.

"Britain became a large empire. The Bible says that Israel was to become a large empire. Therefore, Britain must be Israel."

Will the real false equivalence please stand up?

Jeremiah 33:17-21; 1 Chron. 17:10-14; 2 Chron. 1:9; 2 Chron. 7:18: Ps. 89:3-4; Ps. 89:34-36; Ps. 132:10-11; and see also: 2 Sam. 7:12-17; 2 Sam. 22:51; 2 Sam. 23:5; 2 Chron. 13:5; 2 Chron. 21:7; 2 Chron. 23:3

Here you're just tossing out a bunch of passages referring to the Davidic line of kingship. None of them establish any association with Britain.

For those who may not be familiar with Teia Tephi, who was king Zedekiah's daughter, that came to Ireland with Jeremiah the Prophet and "the hostages" (2 Chron. 25:24)

This is a particularly strange claim, as the first part of 2 Chronicles 25 relates the defeat of Amaziah, king of Judah by Jehoash, king of Israel. Verse 24 states:

He took all the gold and silver and all the articles found in the temple of God that had been in the care of Obed-Edom, together with the palace treasures and the hostages, and returned to Samaria.

How does returning with hostages to Samaria get a Middle Eastern princess to Ireland?

And for that matter----if Teia Tephi was a prominent figure in the Davidic line in the Bible, why isn't she mentioned..........in the Bible?

please see the links below to her story in brief and her autobiographical account:

I must say, I found those links to jahtruth.net fascinating to say the least----in that they suggest a great deal about the strength of your position. For example, here's their page on UFOs:
https://jahtruth.net/ufos.htm

And from that page, there's a link to this nothing-short-of-astonishing commentary on Star Wars:
https://jahtruth.net/starwar.htm


As for the actual kings of Ireland, I prefer to stick to actual history.

"The High Kings, or at least their stories, date as far back as 1500 BC so their existence is part legendary, fiction, and historical. Any of the High Kings who lived prior to the 5th century AD is considered a legendry King, part of Irish mythology (pseudohistory)."
https://yourirish.com/history/ancient/h ... of-ireland


Here's some historical perspective for you to consider.

British-Israelism and Racial Theory
"British-Israelist belief, from its earliest inception, was informed by a theory of racial classification which is itself based on an amalgam of racialist pseudoscience, phrenology, and biblical exegesis."
https://www.cdamm.org/articles/british-israelism

[A Freeman]

The following excerpt is from the thoroughly researched article at the following hyperlink:

The Scriptural Marks of True Israel -

There are at least 95 Scriptural “birth-marks” describing the TRUE people Israel, by which to identify them during the latter days. Since ALL Bible prophecy concerns Israel, it’s critically important to be able to positively identify them; otherwise the prophecies are impossible to understand.

1) God’s Promise to David About the Davidic Throne of Israel:

A PROMISE was made by our Creator to king David, that he would never lack a man to sit on the throne of Israel, until Shiloh/Christ’s Second-Coming (Gen. 49:10; 22-24).

Jeremiah 33:17-21
33:17 For thus saith the “I AM”; David shall never want (lack) a man(A) to sit upon the throne of the House of Israel;
33:18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want (lack) a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
33:19 And the Word of the “I AM” came unto Jeremiah, saying,
33:20 Thus saith the “I AM”; If ye can break My Covenant of the day, and My Covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;
33:21 [Then] may also My Covenant be broken with David My servant, that he should not have a son [or daughter] to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, My ministers.


British Coronation Chair with the Stone of Destiny, Jacob’s Pillar Stone.

1 Chronicles 17:10-14
17:10 And since the time that I commanded judges [to be] over My people Israel. Moreover I will subdue all thine enemies. Furthermore I tell thee that the “I AM” will build thee an house.
17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go [to be] with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom.
17:12 He shall build Me an house, and I will stablish his throne for ever.
17:13 I will be his father, and he shall be My son: and I will not take My mercy away from him, as I took [it] from [him] that was before thee:
17:14 But I will settle him in Mine house and in My kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

2 Chronicles 1:9 Now, O “I AM” God, let Thy promise unto David my father be established: for Thou hast made me king over a people like “the dust of the earth” in multitude (Gen. 28:14; Gen. 48:19).

2 Chronicles 7:18 Then will I stablish the throne of thy kingdom, according as I have Covenanted with David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man (A) [to be] ruler IN Israel.

Psalm 89:3-4
89:3 I have made a Covenant with My chosen, I have sworn unto David My servant,
89:4 Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to ALL generations. The rock.

Psalm 89:34-36
89:34 My Covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
89:35 Once have I sworn by My holiness that I will not lie unto David.
89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as “the sun” before me.

Psalm 132:10-11
132:10 For Thy servant David’s sake turn not away the face of Thine anointed.
132:11 The “I AM” hath sworn [in] Truth unto David; He will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.



(see also: 2 Sam. 7:12-17; 2 Sam. 22:51; 2 Sam. 23:5; 2 Chron. 13:5; 2 Chron. 21:7; 2 Chron. 23:3)

(A) NOTE: Not that long ago, it was still standard practice to refer to the human race (men and women) collectively as “mankind”. So this promise to David—that one of his descendants (male or female – “his seed”, “house” or “the fruit of his body”) would sit on the throne of Israel until Shiloh/Christ comes – does not preclude female descendants from fulfilling that prophecy (reference/case precedent in The Law: Num. 27:1-11).

This single prophecy leaves no doubt that there has NEVER been a time since the reign of king David when there wasn’t one of his descendants to SIT on the Throne of David. This also automatically reduces the possibilities for the people Israel to a single monarchy.

It therefore follows that a careful search through the current monarchies of this world would be the most logical place to begin one’s search for the “lost” tribes of Israel, to see if one monarchy fits the scriptural descriptions we’ve been given. Please see the following links for lists of the world’s surviving monarchies.

8 Oldest Monarchies in the World

List of Current Monarchies

List of current monarchs of sovereign states

Please note well in the second link (List of Current Monarchies) that out of the 44 current monarchies in the world today, 16 of them are under the British rule.

The Truth About the British Monarchy



Please also note well that NONE of the other current monarchs rule over multiple sovereign states.

This is critically important, because with just one more Biblical prophecy, the Throne of David, and thus the TRUE people Israel, can be easily and positively identified.

2) Israel SHALL become “a nation AND a company of nations”.

The following prophecy describes the true people Israel during the latter days:

Genesis 35:10-11
35:10 And God said unto him, Thy name [is] Jacob (the Supplanter): thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and He called his name Israel (champion of God).
35:11 And God said unto him, I [am] God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation AND a company of nations SHALL be of thee (B), and kings SHALL come out of thy loins;

(B) Note: There is no other monarchy on Earth that currently rules over “a nation and a company of nations” other than the British monarchy. It can therefore be said with absolute certainty that the British Throne IS the Davidic Throne of Israel.

The remaining Scriptural “birth-marks” of Israel can therefore be taken at face value to apply only to the British, since it is already an established and irrefutable fact that the British are the TRUE people Israel and that the British Throne is the Davidic Throne of Israel.

Please see 93 additional and very specific "birth-marks" of the true people Israel at:
https://gibraltar-messenger.net/jahtrut ... ue-israel/

Anyone who falsely claims that the above is "circular reasoning" very obviously doesn't know what they're talking about, nor has any idea of what constitutes rational, logical thought.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to A Freeman in post #23]

Not that long ago, it was still standard practice to refer to the human race (men and women) collectively as “mankind”. So this promise to David—that one of his descendants (male or female – “his seed”, “house” or “the fruit of his body”) would sit on the throne of Israel until Shiloh/Christ comes – does not preclude female descendants from fulfilling that prophecy (reference/case precedent in The Law: Num. 27:1-11).

Question:
Who is the "Philip" at the bottom beneath the kings of Greece? Is that Prince Philip, husband of Elizabeth II?

[A Freeman]

[Replying to A Freeman in post #23]

Not that long ago, it was still standard practice to refer to the human race (men and women) collectively as “mankind”. So this promise to David—that one of his descendants (male or female – “his seed”, “house” or “the fruit of his body”) would sit on the throne of Israel until Shiloh/Christ comes – does not preclude female descendants from fulfilling that prophecy (reference/case precedent in The Law: Num. 27:1-11).

Question:
Who is the "Philip" at the bottom beneath the kings of Greece? Is that Prince Philip, husband of Elizabeth II?

Yes. "Prince" Philip was born "Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark". The same Philip that married Elizabeth Battenberg, the queen who never was.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to A Freeman in post #25]

Who is the "Philip" at the bottom beneath the kings of Greece? Is that Prince Philip, husband of Elizabeth II?

Yes.

Then there's yet another problem. The diagram you posted has Elizabeth descended from David [Pharez-Judah] and Philip descended from Zarah-Judah. In Israelite lineage, tribal affiliation is passed down by the father (Numbers 1:18, Ezra 2:59) and Philip was the father of Charles. That makes Charles a member of Zarah-Judah and not a member of the Pharez-Judah house of David, so Anglo-Israel has no Davidic monarch on its throne of David.

[A Freeman]

[Replying to A Freeman in post #25]

Who is the "Philip" at the bottom beneath the kings of Greece? Is that Prince Philip, husband of Elizabeth II?

Yes.

Then there's yet another problem. The diagram you posted has Elizabeth descended from David [Pharez-Judah] and Philip descended from Zarah-Judah. In Israelite lineage, tribal affiliation is passed down by the father (Numbers 1:18, Ezra 2:59) and Philip was the father of Charles. That makes Charles a member of Zarah-Judah and not a member of the Pharez-Judah house of David, so Anglo-Israel has no Davidic monarch on its throne of David.

There isn't a problem with anything that's been personally shared; the only problem is one of perception (or lack thereof) with those who fail to understand it.

The following excerpt is again from: The Scriptural Marks of True Israel -

90) The Monarchy of Israel SHALL pass from Judah to Joseph (Ephraim) during the Second Coming of Christ/Shiloh (Gen. 49:10; 22-26; see also Deut. 33:16-17).

91) The Pillar-Stone of Israel (Jacob’s Pillar), upon which the kings and queens of Israel are coronated, SHALL be removed during the latter days (Hos. 3:4-5), to prevent anyone other than Christ/Shiloh from being coronated on it during His Second Coming.

Hosea 3:4-5
3:4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without The Pillar-Stone (Y), and without an ephod, and [without] teraphim:
3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the “I AM” their God, and their Well-Beloved King (Christ); and shall fear the “I AM” and His goodness in the latter days.

(Y) Note: In the wee morning hours of Christmas morning (clue) in 1950, the Lia Fail (the 458 lb. porphyry Stone of Destiny) was removed from Westminster Abbey by four Scottish Nationalists:- Kay Matheson, Ian Hamilton, Gavin Vernon and Alan Stuart, and taken back to Scotland, with the assistance of two new members of the team: Johnny Josselyn and Bill Craig.

Several months later, on 11 April 1951, a 336 lb. sandstone block that had been quarried from Quarrymill at Scone in Perthshire, was left in Arbroath Abbey. That fake stone was then taken to England, where Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Battenberg knowingly used it in her fraudulent coronation ceremony on 2 June 1953, to deceive the children of Israel (the British people).

Since Elizabeth 2 has never been crowned upon the real Lia Fail/Coronation Stone, she has not been officially crowned queen of Britain, and thus is NOT the lawful monarch in the eyes of God. She has therefore been pretending to be the monarch now for 66+ years (at the time this was written).



The FAKE, 336 lb., Scottish Perthshire sandstone block is currently on display in Edinburgh Castle, where it has been since it was returned there from England in 1996. Edit/Update: And was again used for the fraudulent coronation of Charles who, like his mother, is a fraud.

The REAL 458 lb. Stone of Destiny, aka Jacob’s Pillar-Stone is still hidden somewhere in Scotland.

92) The FAKE monarch of Israel SHALL be dethroned and stripped of her crown and power during the latter days (Gen. 49:10; Ezek. 21:25-27) - exactly as happened on Christmas-day in 1950 - see #91 above.



Ezekiel 21:25-27
21:25 And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose day is come, when inequity [shall have] an end,
21:26 Thus saith the Lord “I AM”; Remove the diadem (sovereignty), and take off the crown: this [shall] not [be] the same: exalt [him that is] low (Line of Zarah), and abase [him that is] high (Line of Pharez).
21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no [more], [overturned] UNTIL he come whose Right it is; and I WILL GIVE IT [him – Shiloh (Gen. 49:10)].

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to A Freeman in post #27]

Hosea 3:4-5
3:4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without The Pillar-Stone (Y), and without an ephod, and [without] teraphim:
3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the “I AM” their God, and their Well-Beloved King (Christ); and shall fear the “I AM” and His goodness in the latter days.

This doesn't seem to line up with anything British.

"In verse 4, Hosea starts to speak to Israel. Israel will have no king. Another country, perhaps Assyria, will rule Israel. The 'stone' was a place where Israel made sacrifices. These sacrifices were made to another god."
https://www.easyenglish.bible/commentar ... k/hosea/3/

"Stone of Scone, stone that for centuries was associated with the crowning of Scottish kings and then, in 1296, was taken to England and later placed under the Coronation Chair. The stone, weighing 336 pounds (152 kg), is a rectangular block of pale yellow sandstone (almost certainly of Scottish origin) measuring 26 inches (66 cm) by 16 inches (41 cm) by 11 inches (28 cm). A Latin cross is its only decoration.

According to one Celtic legend, the stone was once the pillow upon which the patriarch Jacob rested at Bethel when he beheld the visions of angels. From the Holy Land it purportedly traveled to Egypt, Sicily, and Spain and reached Ireland about 700 bce to be set upon the hill of Tara, where the ancient kings of Ireland were crowned. Thence it was taken by the Celtic Scots who invaded and occupied Scotland. About 840 ce it was taken by Kenneth MacAlpin to the village of Scone."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Stone-of-Scone

In the wee morning hours of Christmas morning (clue) in 1950, the Lia Fail (the 458 lb. porphyry Stone of Destiny) was removed from Westminster Abbey by four Scottish Nationalists:- Kay Matheson, Ian Hamilton, Gavin Vernon and Alan Stuart, and taken back to Scotland, with the assistance of two new members of the team: Johnny Josselyn and Bill Craig.

Several months later, on 11 April 1951, a 336 lb. sandstone block that had been quarried from Quarrymill at Scone in Perthshire, was left in Arbroath Abbey. That fake stone was then taken to England, where Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Battenberg knowingly used it in her fraudulent coronation ceremony on 2 June 1953, to deceive the children of Israel (the British people).

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The FAKE, 336 lb., Scottish Perthshire sandstone block is currently on display in Edinburgh Castle, where it has been since it was returned there from England in 1996. Edit/Update: And was again used for the fraudulent coronation of Charles who, like his mother, is a fraud.

The REAL 458 lb. Stone of Destiny, aka Jacob’s Pillar-Stone is still hidden somewhere in Scotland.

This doesn't seem to line up historically.

"On Christmas morning 1950 the stone was stolen from Westminster Abbey by Scottish nationalists who took it back to Scotland. Four months later it was recovered and restored to the abbey. In 1996 the British government returned the stone to Scotland."
(ibid.)


And none of this would matter anyway, since the Anglo-Israelite diagram has Philip and Charles coming from the wrong house to be Davidic royalty.

[A Freeman]

The word/title “Satan” is Hebrw and means “the Opposer”, i.e. the one who opposes God.

When someone is controlled by Satan, through their ego (the “self”), they will see everything upside down and backwards, believing that the truth is supposedly a lie and that lies are allegedly the truth.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of My Knowledge: because thou hast rejected My Knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to Me: seeing thou hast forgotten The Law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

[Replying to A Freeman in post #27]

Hosea 3:4-5
3:4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without The Pillar-Stone (Y), and without an ephod, and [without] teraphim:
3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the “I AM” their God, and their Well-Beloved King (Christ); and shall fear the “I AM” and His goodness in the latter days.

This doesn't seem to line up with anything British.

“Seem” being the operative word.

The longest reign of a British monarch according to the historical records is that of Elizabeth Battenberg/Mountbatten, also known by the aliases Elizabeth Windsor and Elizabeth the Second. “Officially” it was 70 years and 214 days.

When it is correctly understood that the British are the children of Israel, then Hosea 3:4-5 very obviously fits perfectly with the actual, historical events we have witnessed.

The children of Israel (the British) shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without The Pillar-Stone, and without an ephod and [without]teraphim.

The moment the Pillar-Stone was taken from Westminster Abbey during the early morning hours of Christ-mas day in 1950, the British people were without the Earthly throne upon which every single monarch in Israel’s history has been coronated, from king David to king George VI (Elizabeth’s dad).

That means Elizabeth Mountbatten was no longer a “princess” as of December 25, 1950, a little more than 13 months before she fraudulently assumed her position as the monarch.

Similarly, that means that Charles ceased to be a “prince” at the same time, just as the rest of the “royal family” ceased to be recognized by God as anything other than the criminals they truly are. It was God Who had The Pillar-Stone taken away, beginning the fourth and final overturn prophesied in Ezekiel 21:25-27, leading up to Christ's reign.

The British Empire has been in a steady decline since The Pillar-Stone was taken, and is only a small shadow of its former glory, also exactly as prophesied.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... archs.html

https://history.airglee.com/royal-monar ... zabeth-ii/

Joel 3:15 The "sun" (the British throne) and the "moon" (the Commonwealth, which reflects the light of the “sun”) shall be darkened, and the "stars" (U.S.A.) shall withdraw their shining.

See also: Joel 2:31; Matthew 24:29; and Revelation 6:12.

Psalm 89:34-36
89:34 My Covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
89:35 Once have I sworn by My holiness that I will not lie unto David.
89:36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as "the sun" before me.

Of course Hosea 3:5 is literally being fuflilled before our eyes, as God has promised to give The Throne of David to Christ, during the Second-Coming. That’s why God took away The Pillar-Stone/Throne from the line of David on Christ-mas day in 1950.

"In verse 4, Hosea starts to speak to Israel. Israel will have no king. Another country, perhaps Assyria, will rule Israel. The 'stone' was a place where Israel made sacrifices. These sacrifices were made to another god."
https://www.easyenglish.bible/commentar ... k/hosea/3/

“Another country, perhaps Assyria…”. Why do you even bother to quote this ridiculous guesswork? How obvious does it need to be that whoever made this commentary doesn’t know what they’re talking about?

Matthew 15:13-14
15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath NOT planted, shall be rooted up.
15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch (or Pit).

Instead of conducting a two-minute web search desperately looking for an opposing view, and wasting everyone’s time with absolutely worthless guesswork like you’ve cited above, why don’t you take the time to read and THINK about this subject?

"Stone of Scone, stone that for centuries was associated with the crowning of Scottish kings and then, in 1296, was taken to England and later placed under the Coronation Chair. The stone, weighing 336 pounds (152 kg), is a rectangular block of pale yellow sandstone (almost certainly of Scottish origin) measuring 26 inches (66 cm) by 16 inches (41 cm) by 11 inches (28 cm). A Latin cross is its only decoration.

The “Stone of Scone” is the FAKE stone made of yellowish Scottish Perthshire sandstone, which has a flat top on it and weighs 336 lbs.

The REAL Pillar-Stone (Jacob’s Pillar) is a purplish porphyry stone from the Bethel area in Israel which has a very obvious wear mark on the top of it and weighs 458 lbs. The wear mark is from the pole that was inserted through the wrought iron rings at either end of it, which sagged under the weight of the stone while it was being carried through the wilderness by the Israelites for 40 years.

These two stones could NEVER be mistaken for each other, as they are different colours, different weights, different textures, and have completely different tops.

This is how we can be absolutely certain that the 336 lb “Stone of Scone” left in Arbroath Abbey on April 11, 1951 was a FAKE. We have both the weight and photos of the REAL Pillar-Stone before it was taken in 1950, when photos could still be trusted.

According to one Celtic legend, the stone was once the pillow upon which the patriarch Jacob rested at Bethel when he beheld the visions of angels. From the Holy Land it purportedly traveled to Egypt, Sicily, and Spain and reached Ireland about 700 bce to be set upon the hill of Tara, where the ancient kings of Ireland were crowned. Thence it was taken by the Celtic Scots who invaded and occupied Scotland. About 840 ce it was taken by Kenneth MacAlpin to the village of Scone."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Stone-of-Scone

All of which is corroborated by Biblical prophecy, the ancient Irish historical records, and photographic and forensic evidence, i.e. samples from the REAL Pillar-Stone, which were matched to outcroppings from the Bethel area in Israel.

Documentary film on The Truth About The Stone of Destiny

Excerpt below from:
The Lia Fail - Bethel Stone

Dean Stanley, in his book "Memorials of Westminster Abbey", makes this daring statement regarding the stone:
"The chief object of attraction, to this day, for the innumerable visitors to the Abbey, is probably that ancient Irish monument of the Empire known as the Coronation Stone. It is the most prized object which the Empire holds today."

He speaks of the stone as a "primeval monument which binds together the whole Empire," and he claims that it has been proved to be the identical one on which Columba asked to lay his dying head at Iona - it having been Jacob's pillow.

There is no stone of the same variety in or around Tara, Iona, or Scone, where it had previously been kept, but there is a similar geological formation near Luz - or Bethel. Canon Tristraim's discoveries, recorded in his book, "Land of Moab," verify this statement.

During the visiting hours, the Vergers of the Abbey conduct large groups of people to the front of the Coronation Chair, calling their attention to the Stone in these words:

"Here we have Jacob's pillow."

Inscribed on the arch surrounding the chair in which the stone is placed, are the words, "This is God's House."

Note: Bethel means “House of God”.

In the wee morning hours of Christmas morning (clue) in 1950, the Lia Fail (the 458 lb. porphyry Stone of Destiny) was removed from Westminster Abbey by four Scottish Nationalists:- Kay Matheson, Ian Hamilton, Gavin Vernon and Alan Stuart, and taken back to Scotland, with the assistance of two new members of the team: Johnny Josselyn and Bill Craig.

Several months later, on 11 April 1951, a 336 lb. sandstone block that had been quarried from Quarrymill at Scone in Perthshire, was left in Arbroath Abbey. That fake stone was then taken to England, where Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Battenberg knowingly used it in her fraudulent coronation ceremony on 2 June 1953, to deceive the children of Israel (the British people).

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The FAKE, 336 lb., Scottish Perthshire sandstone block is currently on display in Edinburgh Castle, where it has been since it was returned there from England in 1996. Edit/Update: And was again used for the fraudulent coronation of Charles who, like his mother, is a fraud.

The REAL 458 lb. Stone of Destiny, aka Jacob’s Pillar-Stone is still hidden somewhere in Scotland.

This doesn't seem to line up historically.

"On Christmas morning 1950 the stone was stolen from Westminster Abbey by Scottish nationalists who took it back to Scotland. Four months later it was recovered and restored to the abbey. In 1996 the British government returned the stone to Scotland."
(ibid.)

Again “seem” being the operative word.

The information you’ve cited CONFIRMS that the REAL Stone was taken (“repatriated” as the Scots say) on Christmas morning in 1950.

Your source then FALSELY claims that it was recovered and restored, etc., to hide the fact that what was left in Arbroath Abbey on April 11, 1951 was an OBVIOUS FAKE.

How can we be absolutely certain that the stone that was left in Arbroath Abbey on April 11, 1951 was an obvious fake, other than the fact it was an completely different colour, noticeably different shape, and a radically different weight?

Why did the monarchy restrict the BBC from access to the stone, prohibiting any close-up shots of the stone from a distance of less than 30 feet? To knowingly and maliciously hide the fake stone from public view.



And why after 700 years would the stone be sent back to Scotland in 1996, in a well-publicized media circus, if it was the real Stone, considered the nation’s #1 treasure?

BECAUSE IT WAS KNOWN TO BE A FAKE STONE.

The best kept lies are hidden in plain sight.

Anyone who hasn’t figured out by now that the media is a government propaganda machine that can be and is controlled by those in power, will continue to be duped whatever lies they’re being fed. Particularly in a world where rational thought is in short supply.

And none of this would matter anyway, since the Anglo-Israelite diagram has Philip and Charles coming from the wrong house to be Davidic royalty.

Which is an irrelevant strawman argument anyway.

Elizabeth was a descendant of king David, from Judah-Pharez, the kingly line of David. When the Davidic Throne/Pillar-Stone was taken away, that signaled the departure of the sceptre from Judah to Joseph, as yet another clear sign of the Second Coming of Christ/Shiloh.

Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah [to Joseph], nor a law-giver from between his feet, UNTIL Shiloh comes [from Joseph-Ephraim v 22-24]; and unto him [shall] the gathering of the people [be].

Genesis 49:22-24
49:22 Joseph [is] a fruitful bough, [even] a fruitful bough by a well; [whose] branches run over the wall:
49:23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot [at him], and hated him:
49:24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty [God] of Jacob; (from THERE[is] The Shepherd, The [Corner] Stone of Israel: )(1 Cor. 10:4; Daniel 2:34-5; 45)

[A Freeman]

As can be seen through a careful and thorough study of what has already been presented in this thread, there is no honest argument against the irrefutable fact/truth that the British Throne is the Throne of David, and that the British people* are the descendants of Jacob/Israel.

*including America, Ireland, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, South Africa, Northern France, Celtic Spain, Belgium, the Netherlands, Scandinavia and the Baltic states and Gibraltar, i.e. the English-speaking nations of the world.



Source: The World’s Oldest Profession

There is no other monarchy on Earth that rules over multiple nations, nor is there any other monarchy that can trace its lineage back to king David, other than the British monarchy. Further, there are no other people on Earth who fit the dozens and dozens and dozens prophetic descriptions of the Israelite people and nations of this world other than the British, Americans, Irish and the Commonwealth countries, etc.

This doesn't mean that doubters won't go and scour the internet for opposing viewpoints, in a vain attempt to call the truth a lie and to promote lies as the alleged truth. The thought of having to face these irrefutable facts is terrifying to "Christians", "Muslims", "]Jews" and to atheists and agnostics alike, because these facts illustrate the accuracy of Biblical prophecies about the people Israel. The past 125 years have been FILLED with such events in obvious fulfillment of prophecy.

Of course this makes the entire OP of this thread a strawman argument, because it's aimed at people who are PRETENDING to be "Jews" that aren't even Semites but are, as Christ told us in His Revelation to John, "the synagogue of Satan" (Rev. 2:9; 3:9).

The standard Jewish encyclopaedia states that it’s likely 95% of modern Jews are Ashkenazis which means, by their own admission, the overwhelming majority of the people falsely claiming to be Jews are not even Semites. (Source: Jewish Encyclopedia Statistics).

Genesis 10: 1-3
10:1 Now these [are] the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem (from which ALL Semites are descended), Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

As can clearly be seen from the passage above, the Ashkenazis are descended from JAPHETH through his son Gomer, NOT from Shem/Sem, from whom all Semites originate.

If the genocidal wars that are currently being waged in the counterfeit-Jewish homeland of Ukraine (formerly part of the Khazarian empire) and against the Palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank by the counterfeit-Jewish land of Israel don't provide enough evidence that these people are the synagogue of Satan, then what will?

Apparently not even the final phase of WW3 (which is now imminent), or even if hail the size of ATV tires rained down from heaven.

Revelation 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, [every stone] about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.