Athiesm religion in drag?

former athiest · Post by **former athiest** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:18 pm

It seems to me that Athiesm is just religion in drag.
It's not founded on science.
Science is the pursuit of understanding.
Athiesm is founded on faith. Faith in the nonexistance of god.
Athiesm is not founded on any scientific facts. Only theories.
Athiesm perverts science to promote it's own agendas just like christianity.
Athiesm is no more factual than christianity.

Undertow · Post by **Undertow** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:29 am

former athiest wrote:
In this case the OP shows a glaring lack of understanding of Atheism so I can only conclude he was never really and Atheist.
I have only 1 claim regarding atheism.

Athiesm is not founded on fact.

Until you can show the facts proving atheism. Athiesm is not founded on fact. Which proves my point and shows your own "glaring lack of understanding of Atheism" that you yourself did not see the fact that atheism is not founded of fact.

Read my above post. I'd argue that atheists don't claim thier position is factual, they are just skeptical of others positions because they have no evidence. Atheism is just a consequence of not holding positions of faith. Atheism in itself is not based on faith.

former athiest · Post by **former athiest** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:31 am

Thanks undertow. For the very fair and unbiased definition of atheism.

Read my above post

ya I just did.

Undertow · Post by **Undertow** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:34 am

former athiest wrote:Thanks undertow. For the very fair and unbiased definition of atheism. ya I just did.

You're welcome. Would you then agree that atheism (apart from strong atheism) is not based on faith and is rather a questioning of someone elses?

former athiest · Post by **former athiest** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:53 am

ya.

So it's basicaly the stong athiest that piss me off.
Just like it's the hardcore fundies that piss me off and make the decent christians look bad. (You ever have that happen? You know thinking all christians are mindless bible thumpers after talking to a few fundies. I sure do.)

Undertow · Post by **Undertow** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:58 am

former athiest wrote:ya.

(1) So it's basicaly the strong athiest that piss me off.
Just like it's the hardcore fundies that piss me off and make the decent christians look bad. ((2) You ever have that happen? You know thinking all christians are mindless bible thumpers after talking to a few fundies. I sure do.)

(1) Basically, yeah, those would be the guys you'd refer to who require faith.

(2) I try not to get caught in that trap.

I know there are many very rational and decent people of faith around the world. I don't know the figures, but when it comes to fundamentalism, I'd speculate it's the minority with the loudest voice.

Cmass · Post by **Cmass** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:58 am

Mr. Former Atheist,
I apologize if you found my comments regarding your lack of knowledge to be unpalatable. For all I know you could be the nicest guy in the world in real life. However, you really don't understand atheists. If you did, you would have set up your OP differently.
I have seen similar debates in here before. You are taking a position that is very difficult to defend because you make incorrect assumptions about people you don't understand very well. I suggest you get to know a few of us first - perhaps ask some questions - and then make your assault. There are many ways you can attack an atheist, but redundancy, straw men and incorrect definitions are not among them.

Cmass · Post by **Cmass** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:06 am

As to your further comments:

If Athiesm is founded of fact SHOW ME THE FACT.
If Athiesm is NOT founded on fact then athiesm is founded faith.

This is not a logical statement. I don't know any Atheist who founds his lack of belief in Bible God on fact. It is just the opposite: Lack of facts lead to lack of faith.

Cmass · Post by **Cmass** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:16 am

Former atheist wrote:

I have only 1 claim regarding atheism.

Then why do you have 9 statements concerning atheism in your OP ranging from atheism being dressed in drag to atheism perverting science to atheists have some kind of agenda? (You have yet to give me specifics about how, as an atheist, I am perverting science or what my agenda is)

Former atheist wrote:

Athiesm is not founded on fact.

Correct. Atheism is founded on lack of facts. OK?

Former atheist wrote:

Until you can show the facts proving atheism. Athiesm is not founded on fact.

Correct. See above.

Former atheist wrote:

Which proves my point and shows your own "glaring lack of understanding of Atheism" that you yourself did not see the fact that atheism is not founded of fact.

I apologize in advance, but this is one of the most confusing sentences I have read in a long time. I have no idea what you are talking about.

Furrowed Brow · Post by **Furrowed Brow** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:18 am

former atheist wrote:It seems to me that Atheism is just religion in drag.

But atheist’s don’t wear special clothes or pointed hats. They have no churches or places to assemble. They do not sing or mutter in unison. And they never say “blessing” when they end their posts. Now if you had said atheism was religion without any clothes, I might still disagree, but I think that would be a more interesting observation.

former atheist wrote:It's not founded on science.

Of course not. Why would it be. However, atheism disagrees with science on zero points. We have no problem accepting that no one has walked on water or risen from the dead or that common descent is true

former atheist wrote:Science is the pursuit of understanding.

Sure is.

former atheist wrote:Atheism is founded on faith. Faith in the non-existence of god.

Ok by that logic I also have faith that Thor is non existent and that 42 is not the answer to the theory of everything..

former atheist wrote:Atheism is not founded on any scientific facts. Only theories.

Like what?

Atheisms is not founded on any theories at all. Where did you get that idea from. What kind of atheism is this? Where did you learn your atheism? Creationist web sites?

former atheist wrote:Atheism perverts science to promote it's own agendas just like Christianity.

False. Science does what it does. Science is committed to (as some have said on another thread) a methodological naturalism, but that is not a perversion of science - that is science.

former atheiest wrote:Atheism is no more factual than Christianity.

Atheism has no facts about existence. Common decent is not a fact of atheism. The age of the universe is not a fact of atheism. That the sun is second generation and not an original feature of the universe is not a fact of atheism etc.

Cathar1950 · Post by **Cathar1950** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:45 am

Cmass wrote:Cathar wrote:
I can only assume from your handle that you were once an atheist before you saw the light.
I doubt he was ever an Atheist. This is a tactic (lie ) I have seen many times from Christians fundamentalists: They claim to understand your position better than you by pretending they were once just like you. It is a rather shallow way to assert that they now possess understanding and knowledge you have not yet grasped.
In this case the OP shows a glaring lack of understanding of Atheism so I can only conclude he was never really and Atheist.

I suspect you might be right. I have heard the same apologies for so-called former atheists. It is like the skeptic myth that turns Christian after they studied.
Maybe he did where drag?