Why is homosexuality wrong?

[Greatest I Am]

Why is homosexuality wrong?

We all know what gays are and what they do. All of God’s laws are responses to a victim of some sort.

The one lied to is deceived.
The one who is killed is deprived of life.
The one stolen from looses his goods.

In the case of homosexuals there does not appear to be a victim or anyone hurt by the actions of the participant.

Why then does God discriminate against homosexuals?
It appears to go against His usual justice.

Regards
DL

[Vladd44]

The only thing require for evil to triumph is for good men to say (and do) nothing. - Lord Byron

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

I guess that means the christians should be silent.

Calling someone "self-righteous" is an ad hominem, IMO. Moderator?

self-right·eous –adjective confident of one's own righteousness, esp. when smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behavior of others.

Perhaps Cathar is just having compassion enough to try to turn you to repentance and eternal life rather than slapping you on the back on your way down to perdition.

[Vladd44]

It seems to me that homosexuals can have sex either anally or orally. I view those two forms of sex to be lustfull forms.

Would you also say that oral or anal is lustful and wrong for a married heterosexual couple?

But I think certain positions are done mainly for gaining pleasure rather than for loving another person.

And are those positions morally wrong for a christian married couple to "perform"?

[McCulloch]

I didn't write the Bible. If it had said gay sex was ok I would admit it. In the end, God is ruling the universe and whether any of us like this or don't like that, he is the one who will be holding court for the disposition of sins and assignment to the eternal states, and there's not a single thing we can do to change that.

The question is, "Why is homosexuality wrong?" If your answer is, "homosexuality is wrong, because the Bible tells me so", then you need not say any more. We will take this as your own religious opinion.

If you have something else, then present it. The question was framed in terms of there being a victim. Why is homosexuality wrong if there is no victim? Why is it wrong if no one is harmed? Or would it be wrong if no one were harmed?

Of the claims that homosexuality did cause harm, most of them were based on the assumption that it was wrong in the first place. The rest were shown not to be a result of homosexuality per se but of behaviours stereotypically associated with homosexuality.

Perhaps we should argue the larger more generic question, "Can an action be morally wrong if there is no one harmed and there is no victim? ". For debaters' convenience, I have provided a link to this new more generic question.

[Cathar1950]

Did someone ask for a Moderator Opinion?

How can you claim that you have the "Word of God on your side?
How presumptuous and self-righteous can you get?

Calling someone "self-righteous" is an ad hominem, IMO. Moderator?

Ad hominem is a logical fallacy not a rule violation. Insulting someone is a rule violation.

Saying that someone is presumptuous and self-righteous is an insult. Pointing out that a particular claim is presumptuous and self-righteous is not. The distinction is a fine one and Cathar is skating on thin ice, in my opinion.

Let's all remember that this topic is a hot button topic and try not to push the envelope.

I did put it as a question.
I don't recall saying anyone was going to hell.

I have compassion enough to try to turn them to repentance and eternal life. The net result of your "compassion" is slapping them on the back on their way down to perdition.

[Cathar1950]

The only thing require for evil to triumph is for good men to say (and do) nothing. - Lord Byron

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

I guess that means the christians should be silent.

Calling someone "self-righteous" is an ad hominem, IMO. Moderator?

self-right·eous –adjective confident of one's own righteousness, esp. when smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behavior of others.

Perhaps Cathar is just having compassion enough to try to turn you to repentance and eternal life rather than slapping you on the back on your way down to perdition.

Sometimes even the self-righteous need help.

That's your reach. David married women. And even if they had a gay encounter there's nothing in the story that says God approved of it.

Maybe David was in the closet?
So being married to "women" is ok?
There is nothing in the story that says God didn't aprove of it either.

The only thing require for evil to triumph is for good men to say (and do) nothing. - Lord Byron

Are you saying that God's silence makes Him evil or is that for just good men?
You sure seem selective when it comes to scripture.
Again you mistake the writings of men for the words of God as it suits you.

[Easyrider]

I didn't write the Bible. If it had said gay sex was ok I would admit it. In the end, God is ruling the universe and whether any of us like this or don't like that, he is the one who will be holding court for the disposition of sins and assignment to the eternal states, and there's not a single thing we can do to change that.

The question is, "Why is homosexuality wrong?" If your answer is, "homosexuality is wrong, because the Bible tells me so", then you need not say any more. We will take this as your own religious opinion.

If you have something else, then present it. The question was framed in terms of there being a victim. Why is homosexuality wrong if there is no victim? Why is it wrong if no one is harmed? Or would it be wrong if no one were harmed?

The victim is often the person himself. Shortened life-spans for males, and a higher than average incidence of AIDS and substance abuse, amongst other issues. Not to mention those they infect, the taxpayer and employer victims who often pick up the tabs for these problems.

Shoudn't those things be taught in sex education class, in your opinion?

[McCulloch]

The victim is often the person himself. Shortened life-spans for males, and a higher than average incidence of AIDS and substance abuse, amongst other issues. Not to mention those they infect, the taxpayer and employer victims who often pick up the tabs for these problems.

All activities which may be harmful to self are therefore morally wrong. Homosexuality is wrong because more homosexuals in your estimation abuse substances than others. All homosexuality is wrong because some homosexuals infect people.

Shouldn't those things be taught in sex education class, in your opinion?

I believe that safe sex should be taught in sex ed. Your point?

[Mark_W]

according to this type of reasoning, people who type on a computer have a statistically higher risk of carpel tunnel syndrome, therefore it it immoral.
People who chop wood risk cutting off their hand, and then part of the hospital bill falls on taxpayers, therefore chopping wood is wrong.

This being said, I think not only homosexual sex is immoral, but also heterosexual sex, and both for the same reason that it is typically done for the satisfaction of lusts. In some rare occurances, heterosexual sex may not be immoral, but chastity is never immoral.

[jgh7]

It seems to me that homosexuals can have sex either anally or orally. I view those two forms of sex to be lustfull forms.

Would you also say that oral or anal is lustful and wrong for a married heterosexual couple?

But I think certain positions are done mainly for gaining pleasure rather than for loving another person.

And are those positions morally wrong for a christian married couple to "perform"?

yes and yes

[Flail]

I am confident that God is more concerned with what we are doing to help one another than with our idiotic judgements of what is right and wrong with which body parts we use to satisfy our human desires...get over it....who cares....there is enough need and suffering in the world to focus our energy on rather than the relgious blather about who is doing what to whom...

'it will all come out in the end'
pun intended

Jesus is not a Christian