Indwelling of Holy Spirit

[JoeyKnothead]

From the thread Here, page 1 Post 7

Yep, my own indwelling with the Holy Spirit. But since not a one of you skeptics is going to believe that, I'm not going to waste my time trying to prove it.

Since Easyrider prefers to ignore (per forum rules) challenges, I offer this for anyone to support.

Questions for debate:

1. What verifiable evidence exists there is a Holy Spirit?
2. What verifiable evidence exists to show this Holy Spirit "indwells" within humans?

[elucidate]

I don't find pointing out the lack of evidence for theist claims tiring in the least, I quite enjoy it.

If point out the obvious is enjoyable...

You failed to answer how we could debate without evidence.

Would that all theists realize the lack of evidence for so many of their claims.

As it stands, we have a claimant who is allowed (per recent moderator ruling) to state upfront that he will not be accepting challenges to his claims.

On a debate site.

I didnt fail to, I told you that YOU cant. Plenty of them know there is no "evidence." Though I do not pretend to speak for them., so you will probnably have to PM every Christian on the roster til you get enough ansers to suit whatever your agenda is. That mantra, though, is what stops dialogue and keeps this site overbalanced in favor of nontheist who will actually debate. The membership roster is meaningless because plenty Christians come here and leave just as quick. Now, did them leaving affect Christinianty at all? Nope. Not a bit. You seem to have a lot of issues and whole debates about forum rules. Maybe you need to address it with them or try one that has rules enforced the way you like.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Page 3 Post 21

>on having debate without evidence<
I didnt fail to, I told you that YOU cant. Plenty of them know there is no "evidence."

I just like hearing folks admit it.

My challenges to claims are meant to point out this aspect of "Christian debate".

Though I do not pretend to speak for them., so you will probnably have to PM every Christian on the roster til you get enough ansers to suit whatever your agenda is.

My agenda is to show that the vast majority of theist claims lack evidence. I think I'm doing pretty well.

That mantra, though, is what stops dialogue and keeps this site overbalanced in favor of nontheist who will actually debate.

I see a difference in "dialog" and "debate". In dialog folks just say whatever they feel like with little actual consequence. In debate they are typically expected to support claims with that dreaded evidence.

The membership roster is meaningless because plenty Christians come here and leave just as quick.

I bear no blame for folks coming and going on this website.

Now, did them leaving affect Christinianty at all? Nope. Not a bit.

Naw, but it does indicate my methods may put pressure on those who claim stuff and don't expect to be challenged.

You seem to have a lot of issues and whole debates about forum rules.

Oh, I have issues, on that there is no doubt. My biggest issue is theists who expect to "debate" without challenge.

Maybe you need to address it with them or try one that has rules enforced the way you like.

I often disagree with some of the rulings on this site. I also know that my take on a given ruling is not always correct, but honor compels me to speak out when I see a wrong. I am on record as saying there is no bias in the moderation, however I contend some rulings have been wrong, if only from my perspective.

Again, I don't feel one shred of blame, or guilt, or whatever for anyone who seeks to push claims and ignore or refuse to respond to challenges to their claims. I do note however, it is far more often theists who complain about how unfair it is to challenge their sacred beliefs.

[elucidate]

Again, I don't feel one shred of blame, or guilt, or whatever for anyone who seeks to push claims and ignore or refuse to respond to challenges to their claims.

I would not expect you to, after all, you claim to be successful at banning Psalms 14:1 from a site that debates an ism that uses it as part of its doctrine. I think I will put it on my signature.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Page 3 Post 22

Again, I don't feel one shred of blame, or guilt, or whatever for anyone who seeks to push claims and ignore or refuse to respond to challenges to their claims.

I would not expect you to, after all, you claim to be successful at banning Psalms 14:1 from a site that debates an ism that uses it as part of its doctrine. I think I will put it on my signature.

Can you offer verifiable evidence where I've made such a claim?

If not I request you retract the claim.

[elucidate]

From Page 3 Post 22

Again, I don't feel one shred of blame, or guilt, or whatever for anyone who seeks to push claims and ignore or refuse to respond to challenges to their claims.

I would not expect you to, after all, you claim to be successful at banning Psalms 14:1 from a site that debates an ism that uses it as part of its doctrine. I think I will put it on my signature.

Can you offer verifiable evidence where I've made such a claim?

If not I request you retract the claim.

I can pull up the thread, there's more than one. The first time you went to several threads and complained about how you were offended by the verse. Then you changed your mind and said ti OK, in which the one you complained about said thanks. Then you retracted your word and decided it was not OK. Then it looks like the person was either banned or left the forum. I will start digging up the threads.


EDIT: Looks like it waas about the same day the person in question was banned.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... php?t=8618

[Cathar1950]

From the thread Here, page 1 Post 7

Yep, my own indwelling with the Holy Spirit. But since not a one of you skeptics is going to believe that, I'm not going to waste my time trying to prove it.

Since Easyrider prefers to ignore (per forum rules) challenges, I offer this for anyone to support.

Questions for debate:

1. What verifiable evidence exists there is a Holy Spirit?
2. What verifiable evidence exists to show this Holy Spirit "indwells" within humans?

Back to the OP.
There isn't any evidence unless you mean their faithfulness as Paul says the evidence of things hoped for is faithfulness. If anything the HS would be the evidence and it is a metaphor of what the believers claim to experience. Is there some hole that is literally filled? How does a metaphor dwell?

[JoeyKnothead]

From Page 3 Post 22

Again, I don't feel one shred of blame, or guilt, or whatever for anyone who seeks to push claims and ignore or refuse to respond to challenges to their claims.

I would not expect you to, after all, you claim to be successful at banning Psalms 14:1 from a site that debates an ism that uses it as part of its doctrine. I think I will put it on my signature.

Can you offer verifiable evidence where I've made such a claim?

If not I request you retract the claim.

I can pull up the thread, there's more than one. The first time you went to several threads and complained about how you were offended by the verse. Then you changed your mind and said ti OK, in which the one you complained about said thanks. Then you retracted your word and decided it was not OK. Then it looks like the person was either banned or left the forum. I will start digging up the threads.


EDIT: Looks like it waas about the same day the person in question was banned.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... php?t=8618

In other words you can't show where I declared myself as having put a stop to the use of an insulting slur, but you lack the honor to retract your claim.

Is that about right?

[elucidate]

From Page 3 Post 22

Again, I don't feel one shred of blame, or guilt, or whatever for anyone who seeks to push claims and ignore or refuse to respond to challenges to their claims.

I would not expect you to, after all, you claim to be successful at banning Psalms 14:1 from a site that debates an ism that uses it as part of its doctrine. I think I will put it on my signature.

Can you offer verifiable evidence where I've made such a claim?

If not I request you retract the claim.

I can pull up the thread, there's more than one. The first time you went to several threads and complained about how you were offended by the verse. Then you changed your mind and said ti OK, in which the one you complained about said thanks. Then you retracted your word and decided it was not OK. Then it looks like the person was either banned or left the forum. I will start digging up the threads.


EDIT: Looks like it waas about the same day the person in question was banned.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... php?t=8618

In other words you can't show where I declared myself as having put a stop to the use of an insulting slur, but you lack the honor to retract your claim.

Is that about right?

Since u keep askin



Edit: getting closer. a moderator references it in closing this thread:


http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... c&start=60


SECOND EDIT: I am getting closer, but i noticed a really interesting history. Pretty much most of all your posts and OP starters always come down to a debate over forum rules. I found several dozen of them So, at least I know I am not imagiining that part. So, I willl put you on ignore becuz it pretty clear where the "logic" of all your posts are gonna end up. It is a much older mantra than I thought.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... php?t=9529

[JoeyKnothead]

From Page 3 Post 22

Again, I don't feel one shred of blame, or guilt, or whatever for anyone who seeks to push claims and ignore or refuse to respond to challenges to their claims.

I would not expect you to, after all, you claim to be successful at banning Psalms 14:1 from a site that debates an ism that uses it as part of its doctrine. I think I will put it on my signature.

Can you offer verifiable evidence where I've made such a claim?

If not I request you retract the claim.

I can pull up the thread, there's more than one. The first time you went to several threads and complained about how you were offended by the verse. Then you changed your mind and said ti OK, in which the one you complained about said thanks. Then you retracted your word and decided it was not OK. Then it looks like the person was either banned or left the forum. I will start digging up the threads.


EDIT: Looks like it waas about the same day the person in question was banned.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... php?t=8618

In other words you can't show where I declared myself as having put a stop to the use of an insulting slur, but you lack the honor to retract your claim.

Is that about right?

Since u keep askin



Edit: getting closer. a moderator references it in closing this thread:


http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... c&start=60


SECOND EDIT: I am getting closer, but i noticed a really interesting history. Pretty much most of all your posts and OP starters always come down to a debate over forum rules. I found several dozen of them So, at least I know I am not imagiining that part. So, I willl put you on ignore becuz it pretty clear where the "logic" of all your posts are gonna end up. It is a much older mantra than I thought.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... php?t=9529

I ask yet again...

Can you offer verifiable evidence where I've made such a claim?

If not I request you retract the claim.

[r~]

Yep, my own indwelling with the Holy Spirit. But since not a one of you skeptics is going to believe that, I'm not going to waste my time trying to prove it.

I am always skeptical of those that cloak by graven image and Holy Book and Word and Flesh.
Thou shall not.

Please forgive.
I concede I am impressed by all fine clothes. Yet even underneath impressive finery do I necessarily see en light in the spirit of love and forgiveness. I might just see an all too familiar mark.
Please forgive.

I am
ItS
r~