inconsistency in Islam

[Yolande]

Logic concludes:

If the Koran states that a prophet can never lie
And Islam acknowledges Jesus as a prophet
And Jesus said of Himself "I am the way, the truth, and the life, and nobody can come to the Father but by me".

Then why are Moslems not acknoledging these words of Jesus as the truth?

[TrueReligion]

here are a few more verses supporting my claim-

2:87 And We had given/brought Moses The Book and We sent from after him with the messengers, and Wegave/brought Jesus Mary's son, the evidences and We supported him with the Holy/Sanctimonious Soul/Spirit , so if whenever a messenger came to you with what yourselves do not desire you become arrogant, so a group you denied and a group you kill.
YUSUFALI: We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you a messenger with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
PICKTHAL: And verily We gave unto Moses the Scripture and We caused a train of messengers to follow after him, and We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), and We supported him with the Holy spirit. Is it ever so, that, when there cometh unto you a messenger (from Allah) with that which ye yourselves desire not, ye grow arrogant, and some ye disbelieve and some ye slay?
SHAKIR: And most certainly We gave Musa the Book and We sent messengers after him one after another; and We gave Isa, the son of Marium, clear arguments and strengthened him with the holy spirit, What! whenever then a messenger came to you with that which your souls did not desire, you were insolent so you called some liars and some you slew.

2:136 Say: "We believed with God and what was descended to us and what was descended to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Issac, and Jacob, and the grandchildren/branches/Jewish tribes , and what was given to Moses, and Jesus , and what was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not separate/distinguish between anyone from them, and we are to Him submitters/surrenderers/Moslems ."
YUSUFALI: Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."
PICKTHAL: Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.
SHAKIR: Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.

3:3 He descended on you The Book with the truth , confirming to what (is)between His hands, and He descended the Torah and the New Testament/Bible YUSUFALI: It is He Who sent down to thee, in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law and the Gospel before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion. PICKTHAL: He hath revealed unto thee the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.
SHAKIR: He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Tavrat and the Injeel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Furqan.

003.084 Say: "We believed with God, and what descended on us, and what descended on Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the grandchildren , and what Moses and Jesus and the prophets were given/brought from their Lord, we do not separate/distinguish/differentiate between any from them, and we are for Him submitters/surrenderers."
YUSUFALI: Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will."
PICKTHAL: Say: We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and that which was vouchsafed unto Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered.
SHAKIR: Say: We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and what was given to Musa and Isa and to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.

5:44 That We descended the Torah/Old Testament, in it guidance and light, the prophets those who submitted/surrendered , judge/rule with it, to those who guided/Jews , and the knowledgeable Lord worshippers , and the religious scholars with what they memorized/safe kept from God's Book , and they were not on it witnessing/present ; so do not fear the people and fear Me, and do not buy/volunteer with My signs/verses a small price, and who does not judge/rule with what God descended, so those, they are the disbelievers.
YUSUFALI: It was We who revealed the law: therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear me, and sell not my signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by what Allah hath revealed, they are Unbelievers.
PICKTHAL: Lo! We did reveal the Torah, wherein is guidance and a light, by which the prophets who surrendered judged the Jews, and the rabbis and the priests by such of Allah's Scripture as they were bidden to observe, and thereunto were they witnesses. So fear not mankind, but fear Me. And My revelations for a little gain. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are disbelievers.
SHAKIR: Surely We revealed the Taurat in which was guidance and light; with it the prophets who submitted themselves judged for those who were Jews, and the masters of Divine knowledge and the doctors, because they

5:46 And We sent after on their tracks with Jesus, Mary's son confirming for what between his hands from the Torah/Old Testament, and We gave him the New Testament/Bible in it guidance and light, and confirming to what between his hands from the Torah/Old Testament, and guidance and a sermon/advice/warning to the fearing and obeying.
YUSUFALI: And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.
PICKTHAL: And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that which was (revealed) before him in the Torah, and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah - a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil).
SHAKIR: And We sent after them in their footsteps Isa, son of Marium, verifying what was before him of the Taurat and We gave him the Injeel in which was guidance and light, and verifying what was before it of Taurat and a guidance and an admonition for those who guard.

5:47 And the New Testament's/Bible's people should judge/rule with what God descended in it, and who does not judge/rule with what God descended, so those, they are the debauchers .
YUSUFALI:And the New Testament's/Bible's people should judge/rule with what God descended in it, and who does not judge/rule with what God descended, so those, they are the debauchers
PICKTHAL: Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-livers.
SHAKIR: And the followers of the Injeel should have judged by what Allah revealed in it; and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors.

5:48 And We descended to you The Book with the truth , confirming to what between his hands from The Book, and guarding/protecting on it, so judge/rule between them with what God descended and do not follow their self attractions for desires about what came to you from the truth, to each from you We made/put God's decreed way of life/method/law and order , and a clear/easy/plain way , and if God wanted/willed, He would have made you one nation/generation, and but to test you in what He gave you, so race/surpass the goodnesses/generosity, to God your return altogether, so He informs you with what you were in it differing/disagreeing (P).
YUSUFALI: To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to thee. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to Allah; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute;
PICKTHAL: And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires away from the truth which hath come unto thee. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had Allah willed He could have made you one community. But that He may try you by that which He hath given you (He hath made you as ye are). So vie one with another in good works. Unto Allah ye will all return, and He will then inform you of that wherein ye differ.
SHAKIR: And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed;

The first translations of each verse are literal and from:
http://www.yaqb.org/

So wats ur point in this? only the literal translation is showing OT AND NT, and its from unknown translator,rest, in arabic its not mention old and NT, its mention only Torah and Injeel.
Your point is not clear here my friend

[TrueReligion]

Logic concludes:

If the Koran states that a prophet can never lie
And Islam acknowledges Jesus as a prophet
And Jesus said of Himself "I am the way, the truth, and the life, and nobody can come to the Father but by me".

Then why are Moslems not acknoledging these words of Jesus as the truth?

Muhammad claims Jesus is not the son of God, but a prophet that God loves. That means Jesus is a false prophet to whom God loves.

Proclaiming to know otherwise what the New Testament says about who Jesus is and what happened to him is lying.

BOH, for NT, its already admited and proven by christian scholars that it contains many errors, and can;t be taken asword of God, so we can;t take any authenticity of book with errors.
If you haveany evidence of Jesus being son of God, bring it on in Jesus own words:)

[Bag-Of-Hammers]

Logic concludes:

If the Koran states that a prophet can never lie
And Islam acknowledges Jesus as a prophet
And Jesus said of Himself "I am the way, the truth, and the life, and nobody can come to the Father but by me".

Then why are Moslems not acknoledging these words of Jesus as the truth?

Muhammad claims Jesus is not the son of God, but a prophet that God loves. That means Jesus is a false prophet to whom God loves.

Proclaiming to know otherwise what the New Testament says about who Jesus is and what happened to him is lying.

BOH, for NT, its already admited and proven by christian scholars that it contains many errors, and can;t be taken asword of God, so we can;t take any authenticity of book with errors.
If you haveany evidence of Jesus being son of God, bring it on in Jesus own words:)

The first 4 books of the NT were carefully constructed to reflect the truth. THere are no errors. It was put together through thourough research based on 1000's of eye witness accounts to the happenings and teachings of Jesus Christ. It was made specifically to debunk evil liars like Muhammad. The Koran was written (by dictation) by one uneducated, unresearched jealous crybaby who wouldn't humble himself in the light of the truth, with the intent to sway people away from the one true God and force them to worship him instead. He lied about Who Jesus is and what happened to him in the effort to gain the love of the world. He is the epitome of evil. If you proclaimed to know otherwise what the NT says about Jesus, that would make you a liar as well.

[TrueReligion]

Logic concludes:

If the Koran states that a prophet can never lie
And Islam acknowledges Jesus as a prophet
And Jesus said of Himself "I am the way, the truth, and the life, and nobody can come to the Father but by me".

Then why are Moslems not acknoledging these words of Jesus as the truth?

Muhammad claims Jesus is not the son of God, but a prophet that God loves. That means Jesus is a false prophet to whom God loves.

Proclaiming to know otherwise what the New Testament says about who Jesus is and what happened to him is lying.

BOH, for NT, its already admited and proven by christian scholars that it contains many errors, and can;t be taken asword of God, so we can;t take any authenticity of book with errors.
If you haveany evidence of Jesus being son of God, bring it on in Jesus own words:)

The first 4 books of the NT were carefully constructed to reflect the truth. THere are no errors. It was put together through thourough research based on 1000's of eye witness accounts to the happenings and teachings of Jesus Christ. It was made specifically to debunk evil liars like Muhammad. The Koran was written (by dictation) by one uneducated, unresearched jealous crybaby who wouldn't humble himself in the light of the truth, with the intent to sway people away from the one true God and force them to worship him instead. He lied about Who Jesus is and what happened to him in the effort to gain the love of the world. He is the epitome of evil. If you proclaimed to know otherwise what the NT says about Jesus, that would make you a liar as well.

The authenticity of Gospels of NT is still a big challenege for christian scholars, and many of them are not convinced by the gospels, as they were writen long long time after Jesus departure. So none of these gospels are authentic, and mostly termed as FAIRY TALES.

Now for Muhammad, I think you have lack of knowledge, in Quran, Jesus is given a vvery high rank, and 1 chapter is dedicated for Mary (Chappter Mariam).

Muhammmad neever told any1 to worship him, neither any muslim worship Muhammmad, instead muslims worship 1 true God, the God of all humans, Abraham, Moses, Jesus.

Nowhere ddid Jesus said that he is God or worship him, Christians made this philisphy by themselves, and Paul is the real founder of christianity .

Muhammad's life was in alll very simple, and its proven bby historians, eve his family members were very simple, and no material gain was observedd by any1, even by the rulers (Caliphs) after him.

So all your statements, are just childish, and shows how jealous they are, without proof your statements is just insulting you and no1 else here

[otseng]

If you proclaimed to know otherwise what the NT says about Jesus, that would make you a liar as well.

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[van]

So wats ur point in this? only the literal translation is showing OT AND NT, and its from unknown translator,rest, in arabic its not mention old and NT, its mention only Torah and Injeel.
Your point is not clear here my friend

Why can't you look at the literal meaning? Has the meaning changed from Mohammad's time? Did meanings change when muslims began to be confused about the crucifixion of Jesus and the statement that the Jews did not crucify Jesus?

The 4 Books of the Gospel what we have today and in Mohammad's time were always a part of the New Testament- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were in fact the Gospel mentioned in the Quran.

[TrueReligion]

So wats ur point in this? only the literal translation is showing OT AND NT, and its from unknown translator,rest, in arabic its not mention old and NT, its mention only Torah and Injeel.
Your point is not clear here my friend

Why can't you look at the literal meaning? Has the meaning changed from Mohammad's time? Did meanings change when muslims began to be confused about the crucifixion of Jesus and the statement that the Jews did not crucify Jesus?

The 4 Books of the Gospel what we have today and in Mohammad's time were always a part of the New Testament- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were in fact the Gospel mentioned in the Quran.

Is the name of these books mention in Quran? show me the real meaning.

[van]

Answering with a question, is it that you don't know the answer to the guestions?

Why can't you look at the literal meaning? Has the meaning changed from Mohammad's time? Did meanings change when muslims began to be confused about the crucifixion of Jesus and the statement that the Jews did not crucify Jesus?

The Gospel of Jesus means the "good news" that Jesus brought to us as a Gift of Grace from our loving GOD. The Gospel includes Jesus' teachings, commandments, words, parables, actions of HIM during HIS ministry.

Everything to rebuild our relationship with GOD is in the Gospel "good news" about Jesus.

[TrueReligion]

Answering with a question, is it that you don't know the answer to the guestions?

Why can't you look at the literal meaning? Has the meaning changed from Mohammad's time? Did meanings change when muslims began to be confused about the crucifixion of Jesus and the statement that the Jews did not crucify Jesus?

The Gospel of Jesus means the "good news" that Jesus brought to us as a Gift of Grace from our loving GOD. The Gospel includes Jesus' teachings, commandments, words, parables, actions of HIM during HIS ministry.

Everything to rebuild our relationship with GOD is in the Gospel "good news" about Jesus.

Yeah, that is Injeel, which is mentioned in Quran, but if you say its writen NT in Quran, its wrong, because NT is not from Jesus, itschanged and tempered by unknown authors. so your claim is wrong my friend