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New research shows that homosexuality is an advantage

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Here's two papers on homosexuality and how it ties in with evolution. Up until now it had been a mystery how homosexuality had still been evident in a population since it appeared to be detrimental to fertility.
New evidence of genetic factors influencing sexual orientation in men: female fecundity increase in the maternal line.

There is a long-standing debate on the role of genetic factors influencing homosexuality because the presence of these factors contradicts the Darwinian prediction according to which natural selection should progressively eliminate the factors that reduce individual fecundity and fitness. Recently, however, Camperio Ciani, Corna, and Capiluppi (Proceedings of the Royal Society of London, Series B: Biological Sciences, 271, 2217-2221, 2004), comparing the family trees of homosexuals with heterosexuals, reported a significant increase in fecundity in the females related to the homosexual probands from the maternal line but not in those related from the paternal one. This suggested that genetic factors that are partly linked to the X-chromosome and that influence homosexual orientation in males are not selected against because they increase fecundity in female carriers, thus offering a solution to the Darwinian paradox and an explanation of why natural selection does not progressively eliminate homosexuals. Since then, new data have emerged suggesting not only an increase in maternal fecundity but also larger paternal family sizes for homosexuals. These results are partly conflicting and indicate the need for a replication on a wider sample with a larger geographic distribution. This study examined the family trees of 250 male probands, of which 152 were homosexuals. The results confirmed the study of Camperio Ciani et al. (2004). We observed a significant fecundity increase even in primiparous mothers, which was not evident in the previous study. No evidence of increased paternal fecundity was found; thus, our data confirmed a sexually antagonistic inheritance partly linked to the X-chromosome that promotes fecundity in females and a homosexual sexual orientation in males.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18561014
A population-genetic model indicates that if there is a gene responsible for homosexual behaviour it can readily spread in populations. The model also predicts widespread bisexuality in humans.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 5158b.html

The first shows that it is evolutionary advantageous for a society to have homosexuals and the 2nd gives credence to the "gay gene" hypothesis. In light of these two things, can religions continue to accuse homosexuality of being unnatural and/or morally wrong? And how should this research affect the socio-political nature of the debate over equal rights?
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Duly noted. I merely stated that since he insisted that I was in some way a homosexual. I just thought he was projecting and based on this article and topic I was therefore assuming he inherited the trait.
My mistake, it won't happen again. I will avoid this thread from now on

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superimposed wrote:Duly noted. I merely stated that since he insisted that I was in some way a homosexual. I just thought he was projecting and based on this article and topic I was therefore assuming he inherited the trait.
My mistake, it won't happen again. I will avoid this thread from now on
No You said for you it was a choice which seems to indicate you are attracted to men. This seems to say you are either bi or homosexual. I don't recall saying anything about projection.

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superimposed wrote:
FinalEnigma wrote:
superimposed wrote:No the story is true and yes he was harrassing my friend sexually by trying to get at him. But that part was hearsy on my part since he told me that's what he was doing.
so you 'put a whoopin' on a 'gay dude' for stepping over the line that you didn't know he'd crossed until after you 'beat him down'?
no, my friend told me the dude was grabbin him. And he said he's a fag.
That's what I thought. So your friend got in the car and you two were talking homophobic slurs about this guy, so you decided to back up the car and get out.

Now, it doesn't matter if the guy flipped you off or not, you were looking for a fight, or you wouldn't have backed up the car and gotten out. And you did this immediately after your friend was describing this guy with bigoted slurs, and the very day before you were moving away, so no accountability!
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I need to apologize for my behavior.

I'm over the line and I know it, and I apologize to the moderators and other forum members for my behavior, I am simply not in a mood just now to brook what appears to me to be this type of hate crime.

I'm going to stay off the forum for the remainder of the day, and hopefully gain control of my temper.

Again I apologize.
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FinalEnigma wrote:
superimposed wrote:
FinalEnigma wrote:
superimposed wrote:No the story is true and yes he was harrassing my friend sexually by trying to get at him. But that part was hearsy on my part since he told me that's what he was doing.
so you 'put a whoopin' on a 'gay dude' for stepping over the line that you didn't know he'd crossed until after you 'beat him down'?
no, my friend told me the dude was grabbin him. And he said he's a fag.
That's what I thought. So your friend got in the car and you two were talking homophobic slurs about this guy, so you decided to back up the car and get out.

Now, it doesn't matter if the guy flipped you off or not, you were looking for a fight, or you wouldn't have backed up the car and gotten out. And you did this immediately after your friend was describing this guy with bigoted slurs, and the very day before you were moving away, so no accountability!
Also the guy told him that he didn't flip him off. Maybe he just wanted to have him flip him off so that is what he saw giving him an excuse to beat some guy up.
Of course this was before he was a Christian and the comment about my dad was as a Christian. I wonder if he thinks both are forgiven. Talk about people doing what ever they like and getting forgiven with little responsibility for their actions.
If he isn't attracted to men then how is it a choice?
He said it was a choice for him.

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Cathar1950 wrote:
superimposed wrote:Duly noted. I merely stated that since he insisted that I was in some way a homosexual. I just thought he was projecting and based on this article and topic I was therefore assuming he inherited the trait.
My mistake, it won't happen again. I will avoid this thread from now on
No You said for you it was a choice which seems to indicate you are attracted to men. This seems to say you are either bi or homosexual. I don't recall saying anything about projection.
I could choose to like certain foods and build a tolerance and even a taste for them. If I chose to I could become a homosexual, but I do not choose to. If I chose to I could kill someone, but I do not chose to. If I chose to I could burn down the world and set it all ablaze. But I chose not to and my strength comes from having brand new mercies each new morning from God. Sure I can choose to take someones life and revert back to my life during desert storm, but because of the grace afforded me by Christ I do not act upon things of this nature. I know they are wrong and immoral. I know that God first loved me, so that I could come to love Him.

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superimposed wrote: I could choose to like certain foods and build a tolerance and even a taste for them. If I chose to I could become a homosexual, but I do not choose to. If I chose to I could kill someone, but I do not chose to. If I chose to I could burn down the world and set it all ablaze. But I chose not to and my strength comes from having brand new mercies each new morning from God. Sure I can choose to take someones life and revert back to my life during desert storm, but because of the grace afforded me by Christ I do not act upon things of this nature. I know they are wrong and immoral. I know that God first loved me, so that I could come to love Him.
Right, because sexual orientation is similar in nature to food preferences.


How utterly offensive.

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nygreenguy wrote:
superimposed wrote: I could choose to like certain foods and build a tolerance and even a taste for them. If I chose to I could become a homosexual, but I do not choose to. If I chose to I could kill someone, but I do not chose to. If I chose to I could burn down the world and set it all ablaze. But I chose not to and my strength comes from having brand new mercies each new morning from God. Sure I can choose to take someones life and revert back to my life during desert storm, but because of the grace afforded me by Christ I do not act upon things of this nature. I know they are wrong and immoral. I know that God first loved me, so that I could come to love Him.
Right, because sexual orientation is similar in nature to food preferences.


How utterly offensive.
He loved him so he could love God but not the homosexual.
I think comparing it to eating is better then comparing it to killing or burning the world.

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Yeah actually if you read right, the guy flipped me off which was the reason I backed up and he took a swing at me when I asked him why he flipped me off. Which is all self defense on my part.

I noticed how quickly you are getting your panties in a bunch when you feel insulted because of some random thing that I did years ago and call it gay bashing, but its perfectly alright for you to call that which I hold hope a hoax. You bash God, Christians, the Bible, Christ and Christianity daily in here. But I'm the one that's supposed to be all happy go lucky and forgiving right?

I'm sorry but I'm not that kind of Christian. I know I am saved and I have grace. I made be punished for my actions and regret them at judgement, but I will still see the kingdom of Heaven because I accept Christ died on the cross for my sins and nothing I do can take me from under that umbrella.

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superimposed wrote:Yeah actually if you read right, the guy flipped me off which was the reason I backed up and he took a swing at me when I asked him why he flipped me off. Which is all self defense on my part.

I noticed how quickly you are getting your panties in a bunch when you feel insulted because of some random thing that I did years ago and call it gay bashing, but its perfectly alright for you to call that which I hold hope a hoax. You bash God, Christians, the Bible, Christ and Christianity daily in here. But I'm the one that's supposed to be all happy go lucky and forgiving right?

I'm sorry but I'm not that kind of Christian. I know I am saved and I have grace. I made be punished for my actions and regret them at judgement, but I will still see the kingdom of Heaven because I accept Christ died on the cross for my sins and nothing I do can take me from under that umbrella.
Where have I heard "but I'm not that kind of Christian" before? :-k
I thought you said he told you he didn't flip you off?
I would take the first swing too if some guy jumped out of his car because he thought I flipped him off. It might be the only one I get in.

I resent that you equate what you believe as God and just because of your beliefs you think somehow it is an insult to God Himself. I call that arrogant.
Maybe your not that kind of Christian but you are just that kind of human?

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