If the Bible was divinely inspired, then why would it have so many really obvious contradictions?
bonus question: if you believe in god, but you think that the bible is man made (completely), what gives you the idea of god actually existing?
Theological doctrines:
1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7
Moral Precepts
24. Robbery commanded
Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery forbidden
Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
25. Lying approved and sanctioned
Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden
Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned
2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden
Deut 23:7
27. Killing commanded
Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden
Ex 20:13
28. The blood-shedder must die
Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die
Gen 4:15
29. The making of images forbidden
Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded
Ex 25:18,20
30. Slavery and oppression ordained
Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and oppression forbidden
Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10
31. Improvidence enjoyed
Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned
1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
32. Anger approved
Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved
Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
33. Good works to be seen of men
Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men
Matt 6:1
34. Judging of others forbidden
Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved
1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
35. Christ taught non-resistance
Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance
Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed
Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed
John 7:1
37. Public prayer sanctioned
1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved
Matt 6:5,6
38. Importunity in prayer commended
Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned
Matt 6:7,8
39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned
Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemned
1 Cor 11:14
40. Circumcision instituted
Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned
Gal 5:2
41. The Sabbath instituted
Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated
Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day
Ex 20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites
out of Egypt
Deut 5:15
43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death
Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in
the same
John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
44. Baptism commanded
Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded
1 Cor 1:17,14
45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.
Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.
Deut 14:7,8
46. Taking of oaths sanctioned
Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden
Matt 5:34
47. Marriage approved
Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved
1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
48. Freedom of divorce permitted
Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted
Matt 5:32
49. Adultery forbidden
Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4
Adultery allowed
Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3
50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced
Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17
Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union
Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16
51. A man may marry his brother's widow
Deut 25:5
A man may not marry his brother's widow
Lev 20:21
52. Hatred to kindred enjoined
Luke 14:26
Hatred to kindred condemned
Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29
53. Intoxicating beverages recommended
Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15
Intoxicating beverages discountenanced
Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32
54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers
and punish evil doers only
Rom 13:1-3,6
It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the
good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor
Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/
Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35
55. Women's rights denied
Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6
Women's rights affirmed
Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9
56. Obedience to masters enjoined
Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18
Obedience due to God only
Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10
57. There is an unpardonable sin
Mark 3:29
There is not unpardonable sin
Acts 13:39
Historical Facts
58. Man was created after the other animals
Gen 1:25,26,27
Man was created before the other animals
Gen 2:18,19
59. Seed time and harvest were never to cease
Gen 8:22
Seed time and harvest did cease for seven years
Gen 41:54,56/ Gen 45:6
60. God hardened Pharaoh's heart
Ex 4:21/ Ed 9:12
Pharaoh hardened his own heart
Ex 8:15
61. All the cattle and horses in Egypt died
Ex 9:3,6/ 14:9
All the horses of Egypt did not die
Ex 14:9
62. Moses feared Pharaoh
Ex 2:14,15,23; 4:19
Moses did not fear Pharaoh
Heb 11:27
63. There died of the plague twenty-four thousand
Num 25:9
There died of the plague but twenty-three thousand
1 Cor 10:8
64. John the Baptist was Elias
Matt 11:14
John the Baptist was not Elias
John 1:21
65. The father of Joseph, Mary's husband was Jacob
Matt 1:16
The father of Mary's husband was Heli
Luke 3:23
66. The father of Salah was Arphaxad
Gen 11:12
The father of Salah was Cainan
Luke 3:35,36
67. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David
Matt 1:2-6
68. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity
to Christ.
Matt 1:17
There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian
captivity to Christ
Matt 1:12-16
69. The infant Christ was taken into Egypt
Matt 2:14,15,19,21,23
The infant Christ was not taken into Egypt
Luke 2:22, 39
70. Christ was tempted in the wilderness
Mark 1:12,13
Christ was not tempted in the wilderness
John 2:1,2
71. Christ preached his first sermon on the mount
Matt 5:1,2
Christ preached his first sermon on the plain
Luke 6:17,20
72. John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
Mark 1:14
John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee
John 1:43/ John 3:22-24
73. Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with a staff
and sandals
Mark 6:8,9
Christ's disciples were commanded to go forth with neither
staffs nor sandals.
Matt 10:9,10
74. A woman of Canaan besought Jesus
Matt 15:22
It was a Greek woman who besought Him
Mark 7:26
75. Two blind men besought Jesus
Matt 20:30
Only one blind man besought Him
Luke 18:35,38
76. Christ was crucified at the third hour
Mark 15:25
Christ was not crucified until the sixth hour
John 19:14,15
77. The two thieves reviled Christ.
Matt 27:44/ Mark 15:32
Only one of the thieves reviled Christ
Luke 23:39,40
78. Satan entered into Judas while at supper
John 13:27
Satan entered into him before the supper
Luke 22:3,4,7
79. Judas committed suicide by hanging
Matt 27:5
Judas did not hang himself, but died another way
Acts 1:18
80. The potter's field was purchased by Judas
Acts 1:18
The potter's field was purchased by the Chief Priests
Matt 27:6,7
81. There was but one woman who came to the sepulchre
John 20:1
There were two women who came to the sepulchre
Matt 28:1
82. There were three women who came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:1
There were more than three women who came to the sepulchre
Luke 24:10
83. It was at sunrise when they came to the sepulchre
Mark 16:2
It was some time before sunrise when they came.
John 20:1
84. There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and
they were standing up.
Luke 24:4
There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down.
Matt 28:2,5
85. There were two angels seen within the sepulchre.
John 20:11,12
There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre
Mark 16:5
86. Christ was to be three days and three nights in the grave
Matt 12:40
Christ was but two days and two nights in the grave
Mark 15:25,42,44,45,46; 16:9>
87. Holy ghost bestowed at pentecost
Acts 1:8,5
Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost
John 20:22
88. The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go into Galilee
Matt 28:10
The disciples were commanded immediately after the
resurrection to go tarry at Jerusalem
Luke 24:49
89. Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciples in a room at
Jerusalem
Luke 24:33,36,37/ John 20:19
Jesus first appeared to the eleven on a mountain in Galilee
Matt 28:16,17
90. Christ ascended from Mount Olivet
Acts 1:9,12
Christ ascended from Bethany
Luke 24:50,51
91. Paul's attendants heard the miraculous voice, and stood
speechless
Acts 9:7
Paul's attendants heard not the voice and were prostrate
Acts 26:14
92. Abraham departed to go into Canaan
Gen 12:5
Abraham went not knowing where
Heb 11:8
93. Abraham had two sons
Gal 4:22
Abraham had but one son
Heb 11:17
94. Keturah was Abraham's wife
Gen 25:1
Keturah was Abraham's concubine
1 Chron 1:32
95. Abraham begat a son when he was a hundred years old, by the
interposition of Providence
Gen 21:2/ Rom 4:19/ Heb 11:12
Abraham begat six children more after he was a hundred years
old without any interposition of providence
Gen 25:1,2
96. Jacob bought a sepulchre from Hamor
Josh 24:32
Abraham bought it of Hamor
Acts 7:16
97. God promised the land of Canaan to Abraham and his seed
forever
Gen 13:14,15,17; 17:8
Abraham and his seed never received the promised land
Acts 7:5/ Heb 11:9,13
98. Goliath was slain by Elhanan
2 Sam 21:19 *note, was changed in translation to be
correct. Original manuscript was incorrect>
The brother of Goliath was slain by Elhanan
1 Chron 20:5
99. Ahaziah began to reign in the twelfth year of Joram
2 Kings 8:25
Ahaziah began to reign in the eleventh year of Joram
2 Kings 9:29
100. Michal had no child
2 Sam 6:23
Michal had five children
2 Sam 21:8
101. David was tempted by the Lord to number Israel
2 Sam 24:1
David was tempted by Satan to number the people
1 Chron 21:1
102. The number of fighting men of Israel was 800,000; and of
Judah 500,000
2 Sam 24:9
The number of fighting men of Israel was 1,100,000; and of
Judah 470,000
1 Chron 21:5
103. David sinned in numbering the people
2 Sam 24:10
David never sinned, except in the matter of Uriah
1 Kings 15:5
104. One of the penalties of David's sin was seven years of
famine.
2 Sam 24:13
It was not seven years, but three years of famine
1 Chron 21:11,12
105. David took seven hundred horsemen
2 Sam 8:4
David took seven thousand horsemen
1 Chron 18:4
106. David bought a threshing floor for fifty shekels of silver
2 Sam 24:24
David bought the threshing floor for six hundred shekels of
gold
1 Chron 21:25
107. David's throne was to endure forever.
Ps 89:35-37
David's throne was cast down
Ps 89:44
Speculative Doctrines
108. Christ is equal with God
John 10:30/ Phil 2:5
Christ is not equal with God
John 14:28/ Matt 24:36
109. Jesus was all-powerful
Matt 28:18/ John 3:35
Jesus was not all-powerful
Mark 6:5
110. The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation
Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6
The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation
Matt 5:17-19
111. Christ's mission was peace
Luke 2:13,14
Christ's mission was not peace
Matt 10:34
112. Christ received not testimony from man
John 5:33,34
Christ did receive testimony from man
John 15:27
113. Christ's witness of himself is true.
John 8:18,14
Christ's witness of himself is not true.
John 5:31
114. Christ laid down his life for his friends
John 15:13/ John 10:11
Christ laid down his life for his enemies
Rom 5:10
115. It was lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
John 19:7
It was not lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death
John 18:31
116. Children are punished for the sins of the parents
Ex 20:5
Children are not punished for the sins of the parents
Ezek 18:20
117. Man is justified by faith alone
Rom 3:20/ Gal 2:16/ Gal 3:11,12/ Rom 4:2
Man is not justified by faith alone
James 2:21,24/ Rom 2:13
118. It is impossible to fall from grace
John 10:28/ Rom 8:38,39
It is possible to fall from grace
Ezek 18:24/ Heb 6:4-6, 2 Pet 2:20,21
119. No man is without sin
1 Kings 8:46/ Prov 20:9/ Eccl 7:20/ Rom 3:10
Christians are sinless
1 John 3: 9,6,8
120. There is to be a resurrection of the dead
1 Cor 15:52/ Rev 20:12,13/ Luke 20:37/ 1 Cor 15:16
There is to be no resurrection of the dead
Job 7:9/ Eccl 9:5/ Is 26:14
121. Reward and punishment to be bestowed in this world
Prov 11:31
Reward and punishment to be bestowed in the next world
Rev 20:12/ Matt 16:27/ 2 Cor 5:10
122. Annihilation the portion of all mankind
Job 3: 11,13-17,19-22/ Eccl 9:5,10/ Eccl 3:19,20
Endless misery the portion of all mankind
Matt 25:46/ Rev 20:10,15/ Rev 14:11/ Dan 12:2
123. The Earth is to be destroyed
2 Pet 3:10/ Heb 1:11/ Rev 20:11
The Earth is never to be destroyed
Ps 104:5/ Eccl 1:4
124. No evil shall happen to the godly
Prov 12:21/ 1 Pet 3:13
Evil does happen to the godly
Heb 12:6/ Job 2:3,7
125. Worldly good and prosperity are the lot of the godly
Prov 12:21/ Ps 37:28,32,33,37/ Ps 1:1,3/ Gen 39:2/
Job 42:12
Worldly misery and destitution the lot of the godly
Heb 11:37,38/ Rev 7:14/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Luke 21:17
126. Worldly prosperity a reward of righteousness and a blessing
Mark 10:29,30/ Ps 37:25/ Ps 112:1,3/ Job 22:23,24/
Prov 15:6
Worldly prosperity a curse and a bar to future reward
Luke 6:20,24/ Matt 6:19,21/ Luke 16:22/ Matt 19:24/
Luke 6:24
127. The Christian yoke is easy
Matt 11:28,29,30
The Christian yoke is not easy
John 16:33/ 2 Tim 3:12/ Heb 12:6,8
128. The fruit of God's spirit is love and gentleness
Gal 5:22
The fruit of God's spirit is vengeance and fury
Judg 15:14/ 1 Sam 18:10,11
129. Longevity enjoyed by the wicked
Job 21:7,8/ Ps 17:14/ Eccl 8:12/ Is 65:20
Longevity denied to the wicked
Eccl 8:13/ Ps 55:23/ Prov 10:27/ Job 36:14/ Eccl 7:17
130. Poverty a blessing
Luke 6:20,24/ Jams 2:5
Riches a blessing
Prov 10:15/ Job 22:23,24/ Job 42:12
Neither poverty nor riches a blessing
Prov 30:8,9
131. Wisdom a source of enjoyment
Prov 3:13,17
Wisdom a source of vexation, grief and sorrow
Eccl 1:17,18
132. A good name is a blessing
Eccl 7:1/ Prov 22:1
A good name is a curse
Luke 6:26
133. Laughter commended
Eccl 3:1,4/ Eccl 8:15
Laughter condemned
Luke 6:25/ Eccl 7:3,4
134. The rod of correction a remedy for foolishness
Prov 22:15
There is no remedy for foolishness
Prov 27:22
135. A fool should be answered according to his folly
Prov 26:5
A fool should not be answered according to his folly
Prov 26:4
136. Temptation to be desired
James 1:2
Temptation not to be desired
Matt 6:13
137. Prophecy is sure
2 Pet 1:19
Prophecy is not sure
Jer 18:7-10
138. Man's life was to be one hundred and twenty years
Gen 6:3/ Ps 90:10
Man's life is but seventy years
Ps 90:10
139. The fear of man was to be upon every beast
Gen 9:2
The fear of man is not upon the lion
Prov 30:30
140. Miracles a proof of divine mission
Matt 11:2-5/ John 3:2/ Ex 14:31
Miracles not a proof of divine mission
Ex 7:10-12/ Deut 13:1-3/ Luke 11:19
141. Moses was a very meek man
Num 12:3
Moses was a very cruel man
Num 31:15,17
142. Elijah went up to heaven
2 Kings 2:11
None but Christ ever ascended into heaven
John 3:13
143. All scripture is inspired
2 Tim 3:16
Some scripture is not inspired
1 Cor 7:6/ 1 Cor 7:12/ 2 Cor 11:17
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thanks for the responseJehovahsWitness wrote:SOME BIBLICAL EXPLANATIONS
although i dont agree with your interpretations for may of the passages, such as the ones about gods contradictory traits, i guess for arguments sake, that'll do it.
my question is, do you think that this following statement is true?:
"there are no contradictions in the bible"
or are there SOME? if so, why. and by why, i mean why would a book of this stature with a supposed author of this stature allow his work to be published in this way, to billions?
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Years ago, when I was a devout believer, I attended a conference at Sandy Cove Christian Center in Maryland. One of the speakers was the famous Tony Cappola.
He began one of his sermons with the question....."Do you believe because the Bible is true, or do you believe because you want the Bible to be true?"
Given the bias of the audience, I think that most subscribed to the first option in the question. But that question got me thinking that perhaps I believed because I wanted it to be true, although it was at least 8 years before I abandoned Christianity. But that question opened my mind to taking a more critical look at the Bible. It took years of reading and comparing, and eventually I realized that the Bible could only be fiction.
He began one of his sermons with the question....."Do you believe because the Bible is true, or do you believe because you want the Bible to be true?"
Given the bias of the audience, I think that most subscribed to the first option in the question. But that question got me thinking that perhaps I believed because I wanted it to be true, although it was at least 8 years before I abandoned Christianity. But that question opened my mind to taking a more critical look at the Bible. It took years of reading and comparing, and eventually I realized that the Bible could only be fiction.
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The standard Christian doctrine of inerrancy claims that the original documents were inerrant in all they intend to teach.Dr.Physics wrote:...my question is, do you think that this following statement is true?:
"there are no contradictions in the bible"
or are there SOME? if so, why. and by why, i mean why would a book of this stature with a supposed author of this stature allow his work to be published in this way, to billions?
This doesn't mean that a determined person (such as the person from whom you cut-and-pasted) couldn't interpret the documents in some fashion so as to arrive at some possible contradiction. Any text of any size that makes any sort of meaningful claims can be subjected to multiple interpretations, some of which will result in "contradictions."
Beyond this, we don't have the original documents any more; what we do have are painstakingly reproduced restorations of the original documents based on the science and art of "textual criticism" of thousands and thousands of original-language manuscript copies from wide-ranging geographical regions. The New Testament is widely regarded as 98% accurate, with the remaining 2% not lost, but rather failing to achieve any concensus among the textual critics. That is to say, we have 100% of the New Testament, but there is some disagreement about which "reading" is the correct one (out of two or more available readings). The variants are not significant enough to alter any Christian doctrine.
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Dr.Physics wrote:thanks for the responseJehovahsWitness wrote:SOME BIBLICAL EXPLANATIONS
You're most welcome - I will try and get round to all the questions I think merit answers - but I'm not promising that for straight away...
Um, substantially yes, that is true, there are no contradictions in the bible. There are a number scribal errors - which are identifiable and do nothing to change the bibles (or even the passages) central message and cannot be classified as "contradictions" as such (implying that the original writer(s) made contradictory statements, since we can assume they were no part of the original.Dr.Physics wrote:my question is, do you think that this following statement is true?: "there are no contradictions in the bible" or are there SOME?
The question about Johns note regarding what happened at "NOON" at Jesus execution is a valid one but again, whether that was a marginal note or John was pointing out something significant that did happened at noon, we just don't know.
To be honest I cannot think of a single point I have come across in my studies that can be honestly classified as a true contradiction (the hundreds and hundreds people supposedly have identified is just silliness - no offense).
So, my answer to he affirmative - there ARE no contradications in the bible, negates this last question. I believe the book was written and transmitted in the condition its author wanted it. Had it been riddled with hundreds of contradictions it would clearly have lacked the internal integrity to achieve its aim - guide people to spiritual enlightenment.Dr.Physics wrote:why would a book of this stature with a supposed author of this stature allow his work to be published in this way, to billions?
Further I propose that a book written over 3000 years by 40 different men over many generation that has such internal harmony is testimony to its divine origin.
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Sounds like you are quoting the Christian "Party Line."EduChris wrote:The standard Christian doctrine of inerrancy claims that the original documents were inerrant in all they intend to teach.Dr.Physics wrote:...my question is, do you think that this following statement is true?:
"there are no contradictions in the bible"
or are there SOME? if so, why. and by why, i mean why would a book of this stature with a supposed author of this stature allow his work to be published in this way, to billions?
This doesn't mean that a determined person (such as the person from whom you cut-and-pasted) couldn't interpret the documents in some fashion so as to arrive at some possible contradiction. Any text of any size that makes any sort of meaningful claims can be subjected to multiple interpretations, some of which will result in "contradictions."
Beyond this, we don't have the original documents any more; what we do have are painstakingly reproduced restorations of the original documents based on the science and art of "textual criticism" of thousands and thousands of original-language manuscript copies from wide-ranging geographical regions. The New Testament is widely regarded as 98% accurate, with the remaining 2% not lost, but rather failing to achieve any concensus among the textual critics. That is to say, we have 100% of the New Testament, but there is some disagreement about which "reading" is the correct one (out of two or more available readings). The variants are not significant enough to alter any Christian doctrine.
If God is so great why couldn't he preserve his "word" so there would be no corruption?
If God is so great, why couldn't he have looked into the future, realized that his followers would misinterpret his word, and actually kill each other fighting over the meaning of his word? God could have made each doctrine very clear and concise so there would be no misunderstanding. For example, the Trinity is a key doctrine, yet there is no clear cut explanation for the common man in the Bible. The Trinity has to be coaxed out of the text by the theologians.
IMO, God's failure, proves that his word is fiction.
Post #16
Suppose you have a ruler that measures precision up to 1/16th of an inch.ChristShepherd wrote:...If God is so great why couldn't he preserve his "word" so there would be no corruption?...
How would you know whether your finger was 4.5 inches or only 4.498 inches? The resolving power of the ruler isn't adequate to tell you.
In the same way, humans have limited resolving power--we all have different presuppositions, different methods, and different life experiences that we bring to the text. In this state of interpretive uncertainty, how could any of us know whether any text was "perfect"? Given our interpretive limitations, even a "perfect" text would appear "imperfect" to us.
God is smart enough to know that even perfect information isn't going to produce good behavior, good character, and good thinking.
A text that stimulates the imagination in the right ways, while making us aware of our interpretive dilemma as humans--that might be the most "perfect" sort of text available to us.
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I think I get your point.EduChris wrote:Suppose you have a ruler that measures precision up to 1/16th of an inch.ChristShepherd wrote:...If God is so great why couldn't he preserve his "word" so there would be no corruption?...
How would you know whether your finger was 4.5 inches or only 4.498 inches? The resolving power of the ruler isn't adequate to tell you.
In the same way, humans have limited resolving power--we all have different presuppositions, different methods, and different life experiences that we bring to the text. In this state of interpretive uncertainty, how could any of us know whether any text was "perfect"? Given our interpretive limitations, even a "perfect" text would appear "imperfect" to us.
God is smart enough to know that even perfect information isn't going to produce good behavior, good character, and good thinking.
A text that stimulates the imagination in the right ways, while making us aware of our interpretive dilemma as humans--that might be the most "perfect" sort of text available to us.
The Bible is just perfect enough for even the mentally challenged to believe without requiring evidence.
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Please review the Rules.
Please refrain from making comments about the alleged mental capabilities or lack thereof, of your debating opponents, it is insulting and not civil.ChristShepherd wrote: The Bible is just perfect enough for even the mentally challenged to believe without requiring evidence.
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Th apologies seem to dance around the issues making it the fault of the interpretation the problem rather then acknowledge problems with the texts and authors as well as claims about the writings themselves.It isn't a question about rather God is smart enough. Of course the writings were largely for teaching or addressing issues the diverse communities were facing. Most likely the gospels were read out-loud. The writings are not all about trying to " produce good behavior, good character, and good thinking" as these are more interpretations being imposed upon there meanings. and like hand waving away all the scholarship and history of the individual texts and their selections they want to ignore the diverse types of writings, their purposes and history of interpretations including the present context.ChristShepherd wrote:I think I get your point.EduChris wrote:Suppose you have a ruler that measures precision up to 1/16th of an inch.ChristShepherd wrote:...If God is so great why couldn't he preserve his "word" so there would be no corruption?...
How would you know whether your finger was 4.5 inches or only 4.498 inches? The resolving power of the ruler isn't adequate to tell you.
In the same way, humans have limited resolving power--we all have different presuppositions, different methods, and different life experiences that we bring to the text. In this state of interpretive uncertainty, how could any of us know whether any text was "perfect"? Given our interpretive limitations, even a "perfect" text would appear "imperfect" to us.
God is smart enough to know that even perfect information isn't going to produce good behavior, good character, and good thinking.
A text that stimulates the imagination in the right ways, while making us aware of our interpretive dilemma as humans--that might be the most "perfect" sort of text available to us.
The Bible is just perfect enough for even the mentally challenged to believe without requiring evidence.
It is the believer's claims that put the writings on the spot.
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Post #20
Can you seriously put forward the idea that a text which is ambiguous about doctrinal issues, such as Trinity, really stimulated humanity in the right ways? Should we judge the text by its fruit?EduChris wrote: Humans have limited resolving power--we all have different presuppositions, different methods, and different life experiences that we bring to the text. In this state of interpretive uncertainty, how could any of us know whether any text was "perfect"? Given our interpretive limitations, even a "perfect" text would appear "imperfect" to us.
God is smart enough to know that even perfect information isn't going to produce good behavior, good character, and good thinking.
A text that stimulates the imagination in the right ways, while making us aware of our interpretive dilemma as humans--that might be the most "perfect" sort of text available to us.
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John

