The Search for Truth

Being1 · Post by **Being1** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:40 am

Isn't it true, that we (Mankind) are looking for the Truth. Not everybody all the time, but collectively as a species. Since the question first arose, 'what is this world I am in', hasn't the search for an answer to this, the search for Truth, been of prime interest to us? And is it not the drive behind both science and religion?

Is it correct to define science as that which studies the world, that which looks into the matter in an effort to understand it? And is it correct to define religion as a looking within to faith and belief in order to make sense of, and feel ok about the world?

Sender · Post by **Sender** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:46 am

Harrison wrote:Isn't it true, that we (Mankind) are looking for the Truth. Not everybody all the time, but collectively as a species. Since the question first arose, 'what is this world I am in', hasn't the search for an answer to this, the search for Truth, been of prime interest to us? And is it not the drive behind both science and religion?

Is it correct to define science as that which studies the world, that which looks into the matter in an effort to understand it? And is it correct to define religion as a looking within to faith and belief in order to make sense of, and feel ok about the world?

What happened to you yesterday? You never even got off the ground and you quit. Are you going to do the same now? If so tell me so I will be sure not to particiapte.

Being1 · Post by **Being1** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:48 am

I went to bed

Sender · Post by **Sender** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:51 am

Harrison wrote:I went to bed

I can only imagine how exhausted you were. I mean, you saved the world in like four post totalling under 100 characters. How did you do it? btw, I am done responding to your post, however enlightning.

Being1 · Post by **Being1** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 10:53 am

That's got nothing to do with this topic. Can you address the questions, or go away please.

QED · Post by **QED** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:41 am

The spirit of these forums is one of constructive debate. Personal attacks are not tolerated -- especially sarcastic ones which are bound to get my attention. Please follow The debating rules.

BeHereNow · Post by **BeHereNow** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:26 am

Harrison: Isn't it true, that we (Mankind) are looking for the Truth. Not everybody all the time, but collectively as a species. Since the question first arose, 'what is this world I am in', hasn't the search for an answer to this, the search for Truth, been of prime interest to us? And is it not the drive behind both science and religion?

A thief and a ditch digger are both looking for a way to acquire the needs of life, but they do not have much else in common.
There is empirical truth and there is spiritual truth. Attempts or success in one area have little or no relationship to the other. Historically, they have been at odds with each other.
Whether there is one Truth that encompasses both is a matter for philosophy, which enters two spheres which are sharply divided.

Is it correct to define science as that which studies the world, that which looks into the matter in an effort to understand it? And is it correct to define religion as a looking within to faith and belief in order to make sense of, and feel ok about the world?

I would say science attempts to describe the world (so of course study is required), religion tries to describe/proscribe man’s relationship with god.
Your statement of religion omits god, which I feel is a key element.
There are some who say secularism or atheism are religions, but I take than meaning to be too broad.
I also feel that every person looks within to belief and some small amount of faith to “feel ok about the world”, or more importantly to understand their role in it, but might have no religion. There are some who say they have no faith, but I agree with those who say faith in one’s own senses and faith in natural laws are still faith.

CJK · Post by **CJK** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:05 am

And is it correct to define religion as a looking within to faith and belief in order to make sense of, and feel ok about the world?

It is in a way correct to accept faith, as there is definetly something out there that we certainly cannot explain.

Since the question first arose, 'what is this world I am in', hasn't the search for an answer to this, the search for Truth, been of prime interest to us? And is it not the drive behind both science and religion?

The search for truth has been one of the most large focuses of mankind, and within the search, findings in science and philosophy have throughout history been co-opted by dogmatic approaches to understanding. It is like telling the children that Santa Clause is the bearer of all these gifts.

bernee51 · Post by **bernee51** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:10 am

CJK wrote:[

It is in a way correct to accept faith, as there is definetly something out there that we certainly cannot explain.

Why not just accept it as 'unexplainable'. "I don't know" is a perfectly acceptable answer.

Is 'faith' is some 'supernatural' explanantion of the unexplainable necessary?

Being1 · Post by **Being1** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:20 am

BeHereNow wrote: There is empirical truth and there is spiritual truth. Attempts or success in one area have little or no relationship to the other. Historically, they have been at odds with each other.

Thankyou for your comment BeHereNow. I see that empirical truth is akin to the scientific quest, and spiritual truth akin to the religious. And yes historically they have been at odds and still are, which is the problem.

Then there is the simple Truth, which is neither inside or out, its just here now, as your user name would suggest...

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