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How do you Christians explain this prophecy?

This prophecy is about Christianity that's described with the symbolic feet of iron and clay. The fourth kingdom ( the symbolic legs of iron in Daniels beast) represents the Roman Empire. The feet of iron and clay represent the Roman Catholic church and Vatican and the denominations of the Protestant churches. Iron represents strength and endurance and clay represents something easily shattered into pieces. Now read this prophecy with these symbolic meanings and tell me how you're going to deny that this isn't Christianity.


Daniel 2
31: "You saw, O king, and behold, a great image. This image, mighty and of exceeding brightness, stood before you, and its appearance was frightening.
32: The head of this image was of fine gold, its breast and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze,
33: its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay.
34: As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it smote the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces;
35: then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold, all together were broken in pieces, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, so that not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.

40: And there shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things; and like iron which crushes, it shall break and crush all these.
41: And as you saw the feet and toes partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom; but some of the firmness of iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with the miry clay.
42: And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle.
43: As you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.
44: And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever;
45: just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be hereafter. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure."

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bjhulk wrote: Since you call yourself a Christian, you will avoid the truth like the plague. The 70 weeks prophecy fits the prophecy of Christianity but since you can't understand a simple prophecy, it's no use to teach you the prophecy of the 70 weeks. You're a very lost sinner who will die as such.

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bjhulk wrote:How do you Christians explain this prophecy?

This prophecy is about Christianity that's described with the symbolic feet of iron and clay. The fourth kingdom ( the symbolic legs of iron in Daniels beast) represents the Roman Empire. The feet of iron and clay represent the Roman Catholic church and Vatican and the denominations of the Protestant churches. Iron represents strength and endurance and clay represents something easily shattered into pieces. Now read this prophecy with these symbolic meanings and tell me how you're going to deny that this isn't Christianity.


Daniel 2
31: "You saw, O king, and behold, a great image. This image, mighty and of exceeding brightness, stood before you, and its appearance was frightening.
32: The head of this image was of fine gold, its breast and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze,
33: its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay.
34: As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it smote the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces;
35: then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold, all together were broken in pieces, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, so that not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.

40: And there shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things; and like iron which crushes, it shall break and crush all these.
41: And as you saw the feet and toes partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom; but some of the firmness of iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with the miry clay.
42: And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle.
43: As you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.
44: And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever;
45: just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be hereafter. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure."
The final form of the Empire will be a conglomeration of nations the ten toes are like the ten horns that appear of the Beast revealed in Daniel and the book of Revelation.

The Iron and Clay shows that the final empire will not be as centrally controlled as Rome was but will be made up from the roman empire. As an example the EEC is like the roman empire but it is not as united and does not have a solid central control. The EEC has many leaders/kings who often disagree. So while the EEC is powerful it is not as powerful as it could be if it had one leader and one Language and one religion and one culture.


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Adstar wrote:
bjhulk wrote:How do you Christians explain this prophecy?

This prophecy is about Christianity that's described with the symbolic feet of iron and clay. The fourth kingdom ( the symbolic legs of iron in Daniels beast) represents the Roman Empire. The feet of iron and clay represent the Roman Catholic church and Vatican and the denominations of the Protestant churches. Iron represents strength and endurance and clay represents something easily shattered into pieces. Now read this prophecy with these symbolic meanings and tell me how you're going to deny that this isn't Christianity.


Daniel 2
31: "You saw, O king, and behold, a great image. This image, mighty and of exceeding brightness, stood before you, and its appearance was frightening.
32: The head of this image was of fine gold, its breast and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze,
33: its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay.
34: As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it smote the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces;
35: then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold, all together were broken in pieces, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, so that not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.

40: And there shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things; and like iron which crushes, it shall break and crush all these.
41: And as you saw the feet and toes partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom; but some of the firmness of iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with the miry clay.
42: And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle.
43: As you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.
44: And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever;
45: just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be hereafter. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure."
The final form of the Empire will be a conglomeration of nations the ten toes are like the ten horns that appear of the Beast revealed in Daniel and the book of Revelation.

The Iron and Clay shows that the final empire will not be as centrally controlled as Rome was but will be made up from the roman empire. As an example the EEC is like the roman empire but it is not as united and does not have a solid central control. The EEC has many leaders/kings who often disagree. So while the EEC is powerful it is not as powerful as it could be if it had one leader and one Language and one religion and one culture.


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Are you that blind that you can't read this prophecy? The feet of iron and clay is an extension of the Roman Empire and the Vatican was the biggest empire to exist in the world for over 1200 years. Are you blind to that fact or don't you want to face the truth that the iron feet is the symbolic name for the Roman Catholic church and Vatican?

There is no other world power that came from the Roman Empire other than the Vatican who were very political in their decision making to conquer the world and it's wealth. You're in total denial because you're protecting your interest's of Christianity. The clay part of the feet represent an easily broken kingdom and that is the Protestant churches with all their denominations. The feet of iron and clay is a perfect fit for Christianity.

Besides, you have no idea what the other prophesies are that goes along with this prophecy. Together, they show Christianity as part of the beast that Daniel and John described.

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Note for moderators. I am ok with being called blind :) I got thick skin, i am not an emotional weakling. Insults are like water off a ducks back for me. So please don’t boot this guy yet.

bjhulk wrote:
Adstar wrote:
bjhulk wrote:How do you Christians explain this prophecy?

This prophecy is about Christianity that's described with the symbolic feet of iron and clay. The fourth kingdom ( the symbolic legs of iron in Daniels beast) represents the Roman Empire. The feet of iron and clay represent the Roman Catholic church and Vatican and the denominations of the Protestant churches. Iron represents strength and endurance and clay represents something easily shattered into pieces. Now read this prophecy with these symbolic meanings and tell me how you're going to deny that this isn't Christianity.


Daniel 2
31: "You saw, O king, and behold, a great image. This image, mighty and of exceeding brightness, stood before you, and its appearance was frightening.
32: The head of this image was of fine gold, its breast and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze,
33: its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay.
34: As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it smote the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces;
35: then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold, all together were broken in pieces, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, so that not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.

40: And there shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things; and like iron which crushes, it shall break and crush all these.
41: And as you saw the feet and toes partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom; but some of the firmness of iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with the miry clay.
42: And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle.
43: As you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.
44: And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever;
45: just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be hereafter. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure."
The final form of the Empire will be a conglomeration of nations the ten toes are like the ten horns that appear of the Beast revealed in Daniel and the book of Revelation.

The Iron and Clay shows that the final empire will not be as centrally controlled as Rome was but will be made up from the roman empire. As an example the EEC is like the roman empire but it is not as united and does not have a solid central control. The EEC has many leaders/kings who often disagree. So while the EEC is powerful it is not as powerful as it could be if it had one leader and one Language and one religion and one culture.


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Are you that blind that you can't read this prophecy? The feet of iron and clay is an extension of the Roman Empire and the Vatican was the biggest empire to exist in the world for over 1200 years.
I believe the feet are more closely linked to the Beast. As revealed in the book of Revelation. If the catholic church represents anything then it is more like the Harlot that is supported by the beast for a time. The Roman empire did support the catholic church and even today many nations support the catholic church. But the catholic church cannot be both the harlot of Babylon and the beast. They are separate.

The catholic church is united with a strong hierarchical command structure. The feet in the vision is made of Clay and Iron substances that while together remain separate and cannot mix.

So i cannot see the Feet of the vision of Daniel statue. (not a beast but a statue of a man)


Are you blind to that fact or don't you want to face the truth that the iron feet is the symbolic name for the Roman Catholic church and Vatican?
I once was a catholic but left that religion when i read the bible and accepted the Messiah Immanuel. What ever the catholic religion is it is not the beast and i do not believe it is represented by David’s vision of the great man.


There is no other world power that came from the Roman Empire other than the Vatican who were very political in their decision making to conquer the world and it's wealth. You're in total denial because you're protecting your interest's of Christianity.
Let me assure you i am not protecting catholicism by disagreeing with your assessment. The catholic church is not an empire but it is a religion spread out over many different lands.


The clay part of the feet represent an easily broken kingdom and that is the Protestant churches with all their denominations. The feet of iron and clay is a perfect fit for Christianity.
Your assessment falls down when you know that the major Christian break was between catholisism and eastern orthodox religion.


Besides, you have no idea what the other prophesies are that goes along with this prophecy. Together, they show Christianity as part of the beast that Daniel and John described.
Once again the Vision of denial we are talking about is the feet of the statue not a beast.


bjhulk i will encourage you to reply to me via private message. That way we shall not harm the delicate ones in here with big bad words like blind and denail and such and such. :)



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Adstar wrote:Note for moderators. I am ok with being called blind :) I got thick skin, i am not an emotional weakling. Insults are like water off a ducks back for me. So please don’t boot this guy yet.

bjhulk wrote:
Adstar wrote:
bjhulk wrote:How do you Christians explain this prophecy?

This prophecy is about Christianity that's described with the symbolic feet of iron and clay. The fourth kingdom ( the symbolic legs of iron in Daniels beast) represents the Roman Empire. The feet of iron and clay represent the Roman Catholic church and Vatican and the denominations of the Protestant churches. Iron represents strength and endurance and clay represents something easily shattered into pieces. Now read this prophecy with these symbolic meanings and tell me how you're going to deny that this isn't Christianity.


Daniel 2
31: "You saw, O king, and behold, a great image. This image, mighty and of exceeding brightness, stood before you, and its appearance was frightening.
32: The head of this image was of fine gold, its breast and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze,
33: its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay.
34: As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it smote the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces;
35: then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold, all together were broken in pieces, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, so that not a trace of them could be found. But the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.

40: And there shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron, because iron breaks to pieces and shatters all things; and like iron which crushes, it shall break and crush all these.
41: And as you saw the feet and toes partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom; but some of the firmness of iron shall be in it, just as you saw iron mixed with the miry clay.
42: And as the toes of the feet were partly iron and partly clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly brittle.
43: As you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay.
44: And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever;
45: just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be hereafter. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure."
The final form of the Empire will be a conglomeration of nations the ten toes are like the ten horns that appear of the Beast revealed in Daniel and the book of Revelation.

The Iron and Clay shows that the final empire will not be as centrally controlled as Rome was but will be made up from the roman empire. As an example the EEC is like the roman empire but it is not as united and does not have a solid central control. The EEC has many leaders/kings who often disagree. So while the EEC is powerful it is not as powerful as it could be if it had one leader and one Language and one religion and one culture.


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Are you that blind that you can't read this prophecy? The feet of iron and clay is an extension of the Roman Empire and the Vatican was the biggest empire to exist in the world for over 1200 years.
I believe the feet are more closely linked to the Beast. As revealed in the book of Revelation. If the catholic church represents anything then it is more like the Harlot that is supported by the beast for a time. The Roman empire did support the catholic church and even today many nations support the catholic church. But the catholic church cannot be both the harlot of Babylon and the beast. They are separate.

The catholic church is united with a strong hierarchical command structure. The feet in the vision is made of Clay and Iron substances that while together remain separate and cannot mix.

So i cannot see the Feet of the vision of Daniel statue. (not a beast but a statue of a man)


Are you blind to that fact or don't you want to face the truth that the iron feet is the symbolic name for the Roman Catholic church and Vatican?
I once was a catholic but left that religion when i read the bible and accepted the Messiah Immanuel. What ever the catholic religion is it is not the beast and i do not believe it is represented by David’s vision of the great man.


There is no other world power that came from the Roman Empire other than the Vatican who were very political in their decision making to conquer the world and it's wealth. You're in total denial because you're protecting your interest's of Christianity.
Let me assure you i am not protecting catholicism by disagreeing with your assessment. The catholic church is not an empire but it is a religion spread out over many different lands.


The clay part of the feet represent an easily broken kingdom and that is the Protestant churches with all their denominations. The feet of iron and clay is a perfect fit for Christianity.
Your assessment falls down when you know that the major Christian break was between catholisism and eastern orthodox religion.


Besides, you have no idea what the other prophesies are that goes along with this prophecy. Together, they show Christianity as part of the beast that Daniel and John described.
Once again the Vision of denial we are talking about is the feet of the statue not a beast.


bjhulk i will encourage you to reply to me via private message. That way we shall not harm the delicate ones in here with big bad words like blind and denail and such and such. :)



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I don't expect sinners to understand any of the prophesies but I do expect some of them to come up with lies to avoid the truth. It's better if you don't make comments on something you have no understanding about. Otherwise, God exposes your lies and that makes it uncomfortable for you.

The book of Revelation is written in heavy symbolic writing and iimpossible for sinners to interpret. God uses his saints who have eyes, ears, a mouth and hands that can find the location of the prophesies for him so he can interpret them. He knows his sinners can't interpret them and in fact, they changed all the words in the scriptures, especially those in the new testament. Only God can understand that mess and all the lies that were added into them.

God interpreted Daniel 2: 36-45 and all these words that are written in this thread are the ones he gave me to write. You just criticized the words of God and twisted them all into lies to avoid the truth. Don't worry about your false interpretations but I expect you not to do that again. You don't have the truth in you to interpret the scriptures.

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