Did Adam and Eve eat poison ivy?

[Shermana]

"All" green plants and herbs were given to them eat....

So would this include poison ivy?

Or is the word "every/all" not quite all but something like "all that is allowed"?

Additionally, feel free to list any plants that Adam and Eve might not have wanted to eat...

[nygreenguy]

Oh, I could list a lot. However, I dont think poision ivy is in the area where the garden would have been (Africa).

Also, he was restricted to what was IN the garden, and Im pretty sure God only put awesome stuff in there and not PI.

[JehovahsWitness]

"All" green plants and herbs were given to them eat....

So would this include poison ivy?

Or is the word "every/all" not quite all but something like "all that is allowed"?

Additionally, feel free to list any plants that Adam and Eve might not have wanted to eat...

God gave them permission to eat any vegetation they wanted - he didn't order them to eat EVERYTHING.

They would probably not have actually eaten things that tasted bad, made them sick or caused them to break out in a rash. If you are offered pickles, and you don't LIKE pickles and pickles make you sick.... you don't eat the pickles.

Am I missing something, because this seems a strange theme to chose for a thread.

[Shermana]

Well, if God gave permission to eat Poison Ivy, and it makes them sick and poisons them, that seems a bit odd.

The point is....did "all plants" include just those in the garden as NYGreenguy said, all "allowed plants" or all plants altogether? (PS I think the Garden may have been either in Yemen or Sumeria, if you can list any dangerous plants that grow there, that could be helpful.)

If this includes Poison Ivy and other plants that would probably not be digested well, at what point did mankind lose this permission to eat Poison Ivy, are we still permitted to eat it and other plants?

This is stemmed from the concept of whether "all meats" were truly given to Noah as well. If "all plants" doesn't include all plants but "All allowed plants" then one can surmise that "all things that move" likewise means "All permitted things that move".

[nygreenguy]

Well, if God gave permission to eat Poison Ivy, and it makes them sick and poisons them, that seems a bit odd.

Agreed. Also to JW's point, there are plants that taste good, but can kill you. It would be awful if 50% of the human population got wiped out right in the beginning.

The point is....did "all plants" include just those in the garden as NYGreenguy said, all "allowed plants" or all plants altogether? (PS I think the Garden may have been either in Yemen or Sumeria, if you can list any dangerous plants that grow there, that could be helpful.)

Red pea, nightshade,hemlock, poppy..

[JohnPaul]

Oh, I could list a lot. However, I dont think poision ivy is in the area where the garden would have been (Africa).

Also, he was restricted to what was IN the garden, and Im pretty sure God only put awesome stuff in there and not PI.

Did marijuana, the opium poppy and the coca plant grow in the Garden of Eden? It would seem that the use of these drugs is OK with God, although forbidden by the Godless laws of some countries!

Since Adam was assigned by God to name all the animals, they all must have been accessible to Adam in the Garden of Eden, even polar bears and penguins, so climate didn't matter. It is therefore logical to assume that all plants grew there also.

John

[JehovahsWitness]

Well, if God gave permission to eat Poison Ivy, and it makes them sick and poisons them, that seems a bit odd.

He was probably confident they would have the shreds of COMMON SENSE he created them with. Learning what tastes good and doesn't would be an exciting adventure, and most sensible people would procede by if it looks good and smells good. Tasting a small portion and deciding it wasn't very nice would be the fun of the discovery for Adam and Eve and it doesn't seem odd to me that God allowed them that adventure.

That having been said, there's nothing in the bible to say whether God did or did not warn them against certain plants - so he may well have given them so precautions as to how to identify vegitation that would have harmed them. It should also be noted that the garden itself was planted by God himself, so one could question whether there were any "poisonous" plants in Eden at all.

DEATH IN THE GARDEN

#QUESTION: Could Adam and Eve have died from food poisoning?

No, the only opening for death would have been disobedience of the Divine mandate to not eat from "The tree of the knowledge of good and bad". If Adam and Eve's perfect bodies did react to "non-edible" plants it would no doubt simply have been they had discomfort, or possibly some other reaction. They would not have died but possibly they would have remembered the experience enough to not repeat the mistake. Being sick (vomitting) in this regard is the body's way of ridding itself of unwanted substances or toxins and not necessarily a "bad" thing.

The point is....did "all plants" include just those in the garden ...

Primarily yes, but the implication is that mankind was given permission to eat vegetation and plants as a source of nourishment. Everything is reletive to anyone with a shred of common sense. To illustrate: You are invited to stay with friends and your host says to you "Eat anything you like, we have an open house policy so help yourself" This doesn't obviously mean to eat the furniture or help yourself to cooking up the children, "anything" obviously therefore is relative and the host is speaking on the assumption you have some ... common sense.

God was giving Adam and Eve (and humankind by implication) to eat any plants they liked IT WAS NOT A COMMAND TO EAT EVEVERYTHING. It is assumed they would have the good sense (or learn) NOT to eat those that were maybe pretty but bad for them. It should not be taken as a commmand that they HAD to eat "poisonous" plants only if they did, they broke no divine mandate. If Adam and Eve enjoyed vomitting and CHOSE to repeatedly eat vegitation that induced this, they broke no command in doing so.

The point is....did "all plants" include ... "allowed plants" .

All plants (excepting the Tree of the knowledge of Good and bad and the Tree of Life) were "allowed".

The point is....did "all plants" include ... all plants altogether? .

Yes, the implication is all plants that grew on the planet - ie they would break no divine law if they chose to go outside of the boundaries of the garden and eat cacti.

(PS I think the Garden may have been either in Yemen or Sumeria, if you can list any dangerous plants that grow there, that could be helpful.).

I'm not a botanist, so no I cant. Nor is it relevant.

If this includes Poison Ivy and other plants that would probably not be digested well...

This is true.

...at what point did mankind lose this permission to eat Poison Ivy, are we still permitted to eat it and other plants?.

Man hasn't (I'm not sure if the Mosaic Law restricted the eating of certain plants). As I said, it was a general universal principle that still applies to humans. Of course, unlike Adam and Eve, we are susceptable to death so we'd need to be very careful about which ones we chose to eat - so we don't die.

This is stemmed from the concept of whether "all meats" were truly given to Noah as well.

Yes, after the Noachian flood humans were given permission to eat animals.

If "all plants" doesn't include all plants but "All allowed plants"...

All means... "all" so the point is moot.

one can surmise that "all things that move" likewise means "All permitted things that move".

See above.

[JehovahsWitness]

Since Adam was assigned by God to name all the animals, they all must have been accessible to Adam in the Garden of Eden, even polar bears and penguins, so climate didn't matter. It is therefore logical to assume that all plants grew there also.

#QUESTION: Was every variety of animal that exists today in the Garden of Eden?

No, many variations of animals have evolved over the milleniums, so although BEARS may have existed in the Garden of Eden, POLAR Bears, for example, which no doubt evolved to adapt to extremely cold conditions, probably did NOT exist then or at the very least probably did not live within the boundaries of the Garden which evidently had quite a temperate climate.

Didn't God bring every animal in existence to Adam to name?

No the bible doesn't say this: Genesis 2:19 reads:

• Now Jehovah God was forming from the ground every wild beast of the field and every flying creature of the heavens, and he began bringing them to the man to see what he would call each one; and whatever the man would call it, each living soul, that was its name

Notice that the bible doesn't say God bought "everthing he had created" to Adam only that he bought "them" or animals to Adam. People make the assumption that Adam named every existing animal but that is not what the text specifically says. The verse is comparable to a Chef saying "I made everything on the menue, you are my favorite client, I'll bring you food so you can taste my cooking." The implication is not that the client will NECESSARILY taste everything on the menue only what the cook presents him which may well represent the menu, ie a type of salad, the best starter, a sample of the fish and meat courses and some of the different types of desserts.


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[JohnPaul]

#QUESTION: Was every variety of animal that exists today in the Garden of Eden?

No, many variations of animals have evolved over the milleniums, so although BEARS may have existed in the Garden of Eden, POLAR Bears, for example, which no doubt evolved to adapt to extremely cold conditions, probably did NOT exist then or at the very least probably did not live within the boundaries of the Garden which evidently had quite a temperate climate.

What? A literal believer in the Garden of Eden story who also accepts evolution? Will wonders never cease!!! In my many years as an agnostic debating religion with believers of all kinds, this is a first for me! Congratulations!

John

[nygreenguy]

Did marijuana, the opium poppy and the coca plant grow in the Garden of Eden? It would seem that the use of these drugs is OK with God, although forbidden by the Godless laws of some countries!

Opium yes, mary jane and coca, no. And opium requires a bit of work to get drugs. So there would have been no "illicit drug use"

Since Adam was assigned by God to name all the animals, they all must have been accessible to Adam in the Garden of Eden, even polar bears and penguins, so climate didn't matter. It is therefore logical to assume that all plants grew there also.

John

that assumes climate is the only barrier or driving factor for plant and animal distribution.