Jesus was cursing the fig tree for having no leaves representing Israel for having no life after all He has done for them. In Matt. 24.33 Jesus says His return is "very near" after Israel becomes a nation again, branches beginning to bud (v.32), so within a lifetime of 75 years (Ps. 90.10) from 1948. No later than 2023! The 7-year Tribulation can't start any later than 2016. Jesus said the disciples could not know when He returns prior to Israel a nation again.
We are also told to look for signs in the cosmos for when the Tribulation starts. In the 6th seal, Rev. 6.12 (cf. Joel 2.31, Acts 2.20) says 3 things must occur before the Tribulation starts since the 7th seal opens up the very loud 7 trumpets of the Tribulation. The first rapture according to readiness (Rev. 3.10, Luke 21.36) is "before the throne" (7.9) in 3rd heaven before the 1st trumpet (8.7) commences the Tribulation. The resurrection is at the start of the last trumpet (11.15) which is the harvest (14.14-16) to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thess. 4.14-18).
"When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood"(Rev. 6.12).
First, a great earthquake! The second greatest number of deaths occurred in Haiti 2010 and the most per capita, 1 in 27 people. The 4th or 5th greatest in magnitude occurred in Japan 2011 and was the greatest financial loss. Never before in history have two earthquakes of such massive proportions occurred back to back, year over year.
Second, a black sackcloth solar eclipse! There are 4 kinds of solar eclipses. The rarest is the Hybrid occurring about 5% of the time. There are 3 kinds of Hybrids, the rarest being the H3 about 5% of the time which finishes off as a total eclipse to produce that black sackcloth effect. The 4th long H3 since Christ is Nov. 3, 2013. It won't happen again till 2172.
Third, a red blood moon lunar eclipse! The rarest kind of lunar eclipse is the lunar tetrad. A tetrad is when there are 4 red blood moon total eclipses in a row. And it is even rarer when it lands on passover, tabernacles, and again on passover and tabernacles. Passover is the first of Israel's seven feasts representing atonement. And Tabernacles is the last feast pointing to the future millennial kingdom. The 6th Total Lunar Tetrad since Christ was 1949/50. Israel became a nation May 14, 1948 and signed the Armistice treaties in 1949. The 7th feast Tetrad was 1967/68. Israel took over Jerusalem June 7, 1967. This is the first time in history two feast Tetrads were this close 18 years apart. The 8th Tetrad is 2014/15 and won't happen again for nearly 600 years, 2582/83. There is no unique solar eclipse next to that Tetrad way off into the future. As a double fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy, it would take seven sets of seven years from the declaration to rebuild the Temple for it to be completed. This is 17,640 days or 360 days/yr x 7 sets of 7 years (Dan. 9.25). From June 7, 1967 to Sept. 23, 2015 is also 17,460 days. This day happens to be the Day of Atonement which is 10 days after the first rapture Feast of Trumpets.
Considering these undeniable facts, the Tribulation can't start before 2015 either. Next, we need a 2,520 day period for the Tribulation since all of Daniel's sixty-nine sevens are 2,520 days each. 2,520 is the smallest number divisible by all numbers 2 to 10 as Daniel's basic working prophetic unit. This is triply confirmed since Jesus was "cut off" (Dan. 9.26) after 69 sets of seven years or 173,880 days from the declaration to rebuild the temple Nisan 1, 444 BC (Neh. 2.1). This takes us to Nisan 10, Monday, Mar. 28, 33 AD (Gregorian), the day Jesus entered Jerusalem-the first day of the four day inspection of the lamb. The 4 day inspection was Mar. 28, 29, 30, 31. Jesus was captured on Thursday, Mar. 31 then He died on the cross Nisan 14, Passover, Friday, April 1, 33 AD what Satan calls April Fool's Day. The first 4 feasts refer to atonement, Jesus set apart for three days, His resurrection, and giving the Holy Spirit. Since the last 3 feasts pertain to Jesus' second coming (rapture, salvation, millennium) and the first of those feasts deals with the first rapture (Rev. 7.9), the 2,520 day period must count down from Feast of Trumpets. There is no holiday on the 2,520th day in 2023 from Feast of Trumpets in 2016.
The 2,520th day from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 takes us to Sunday Aug. 7, 2022. Yet I could find no holiday on that day either until I realized when Tisha B'Av falls on a Saturday it is held the day after instead. So is the case in 2022. Tisha B'Av was when the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed. This is of great significance because Jesus returns to reign in the 3rd Temple (2 Thess. 2.4, Rev. 11.2) for 1000 years (20.2-7) over the nations with His overcomers (2.26, 20.4-6) and a rod of iron (12.5). He returns with 10,000 of His overcomers (Jude 14,15)-the 5 wise virgins (Matt. 25.1-13). The 5 unwise virgins though saved and have eternal life which can never be lost (John 10.28) would not be included in the first rapture nor the return to reign during the 1000 years. They would be resurrected at last trumpet. This is accountability for Christians to "overcometh" mentioned 7 times in Rev. 2 & 3. Christians all overcome but not at the same time. Many Christians prefer to be tied down to the world like a balloon unwilling to be released so they shall lose this reward by being cast into outer darkness, outside the light of reward of reigning with Christ during the millennium.
Outer darkness is like being in the forest and seeing a beautifully lit cabin but not allowed to enter it until the occupants come out to take them to the mansion. Or it is like painting a house, but if you are sloppy with the paint getting it all over yourself, you will need to remove it with some solvent like gasoline which stings before you can enter the shower.
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The Total Lunar Tetrads Tell Us When Jesus Returns
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Post #141
1 in 2010 chance two earthquakes of such proprortions in the past 2000 years as Haiti 2010 and Japan 2011 (2nd most deaths, most deals per capita, greatest financial loss, 4th greatest in magnitude
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1 in 700 chance long H3 Solar eclipse (won't happen again till 2172).
x
1 in 100,000 chance two feast Tetrads when Israel became a nation an entered Jersusalem (won't happen again till 2582/83).
x
The 3 events in exact order (Rev. 6.12) before the Trib starts.
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1 in 7 chance Jesus returns when He died on the cross.
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1 in 7 chance Tisha B'Av is held over the day after because of the Sabbath.
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7/19 chance 2,520 days land on Feast of Trumpets to Tisha B'Av.
= 112,000,000,000,000
You're quite the gambler! Good luck with that, you're going to need it!
I get a better return on my $1,000 investment than having to wait till Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 when a couple million people have vanished to confirm the Tribulation has started. And $1,000 profit won't do much good to me if I am raptured Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 if I am accounted worthy (Luke 21.36) to escape all these things that shall come to pass of the Tribulation.
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1 in 700 chance long H3 Solar eclipse (won't happen again till 2172).
x
1 in 100,000 chance two feast Tetrads when Israel became a nation an entered Jersusalem (won't happen again till 2582/83).
x
The 3 events in exact order (Rev. 6.12) before the Trib starts.
x
1 in 7 chance Jesus returns when He died on the cross.
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1 in 7 chance Tisha B'Av is held over the day after because of the Sabbath.
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7/19 chance 2,520 days land on Feast of Trumpets to Tisha B'Av.
= 112,000,000,000,000
You're quite the gambler! Good luck with that, you're going to need it!
I get a better return on my $1,000 investment than having to wait till Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 when a couple million people have vanished to confirm the Tribulation has started. And $1,000 profit won't do much good to me if I am raptured Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 if I am accounted worthy (Luke 21.36) to escape all these things that shall come to pass of the Tribulation.
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Exactly not to mention the fact that none even came close to a probability of 112,000,000,000,000 to 1.johnmarc wrote:The number of religious predictions of an immanent end of the world 'proven' by shaky statistics that were later determined to be false (100%) I am going with that.
God has fully proven when the first rapture, Tribulation, 7th trumpet resurrection and when Jesus steps down will occur because you can find no fault with the proof.
Your testimony is most wonderful.
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lvdyou wrote: Exactly not to mention the fact that none even came close to a probability of 112,000,000,000,000 to 1.
God has fully proven when the first rapture, Tribulation, 7th trumpet resurrection and when Jesus steps down will occur because you can find no fault with the proof.
Your testimony is most wonderful.
Except it hasn't happened yet... and I will be more than willing to put money in a third party escrow account as a bet with you that it won't... where the third party determines if the 'prophecy happened.
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I lost interest after the first few pages, and I've only read the last three pages now so I'm not sure if anyone's covered this yet. If not it's probably worth posting. Using NASA's information on lunar eclipses and a Jewish calendar calculator:
1949/50 Lunar tetrad
1949 Apr 13, 04:11:25 - Erev Pesach (eve of Passover, I believe)
1949 Oct 07, 02:56:55 - Erev Sukkot
1950 Apr 02, 20:44:34 - Pesach I
1950 Sep 26, 04:17:11 - Sukkot I
1967/68 Lunar tetrad
1967 Apr 24, 12:07:04 - Erev Pesach
1967 Oct 18, 10:15:48 - Erev Sukkot
1968 Apr 13, 04:48:01 - Pesach I
1968 Oct 06, 11:42:35 - Erev Sukkot (bit of a slip-up in the pattern there)
2014/15 Lunar tetrad
2014 Apr 15, 07:46:48 - Erev Pesach
2014 Oct 08, 10:55:44 - Erev Sukkot
2015 Apr 04, 12:01:24 - Pesach I
2015 Sep 28, 02:48:17 - Sukkot I
So far the OP seems to more or less check out.
What about in other years? Seems there's periods in which lunar tetrads do occur, then others in which they don't. At the moment we're in a period in which they do. So here's a complete list of all lunar tetrads across nearly a thousand years, between 1582 and 2447:
1909/10 Lunar tetrad
1909 Jun 04, 01:28:51 - no holiday
1909 Nov 27, 08:54:41 - no holiday
1910 May 24, 05:34:16 - no holiday
1910 Nov 17, 00:20:52 - no holiday
1927/28 Lunar tetrad
1927 Jun 15, 08:24:41 - no holiday
1927 Dec 08, 17:35:10 - no holiday
1928 Jun 03, 12:09:57 - no holiday
1928 Nov 27, 09:01:47 - no holiday
**
1985/86 Lunar tetrad
1985 May 04, 19:57:19 - no holiday
1985 Oct 28, 17:43:17 - no holiday
1986 Apr 24, 12:43:30 - Pesach I
1986 Oct 17, 19:18:54 - Erev Sukkot
2003/04 Lunar tetrad
2003 May 16, 03:41:13 - Pesach Sheni (second Passover; Numbers 9:6-13)
2003 Nov 09, 01:19:38 - no holiday
2004 May 04, 20:31:17 - no holiday
2004 Oct 28, 03:05:11 - no holiday
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2032/33 Lunar tetrad
2032 Apr 25, 15:14:51 - Pesach Sheni
2032 Oct 18, 19:03:40 - no holiday
2033 Apr 14, 19:13:51 - Pesach I
2033 Oct 08, 10:56:23 - Sukkot I
2043/44 Lunar tetrad
2043 Mar 25, 14:32:04 - Erev Purim
2043 Sep 19, 01:51:50 - no holiday
2044 Mar 13, 19:38:33 - Purim
2044 Sep 07, 11:20:44 - no holiday
2050/51 Lunar tetrad
2050 May 06, 22:32:02 - Pesach Sheni
2050 Oct 30, 03:21:47 - no holiday
2051 Apr 26, 02:16:28 - Pesach Sheni
2051 Oct 19, 19:11:50 - no holiday
2061/62 Lunar tetrad
2061 Apr 04, 21:54:05 - Erev Pesach
2061 Sep 29, 09:38:13 - Sukkot I
2062 Mar 25, 03:33:50 - Pesach I
2062 Sep 18, 18:34:02 - no holiday
2072/73 Lunar tetrad
2072 Mar 04, 15:23:07 - Purim
2072 Aug 28, 16:05:42 - no holiday
2073 Feb 22, 07:24:53 - no holiday
2073 Aug 17, 17:42:41 - no holiday
2090/91 Lunar tetrad
2090 Mar 15, 23:48:31 - Erev Purim
2090 Sep 08, 22:52:29 - no holiday
2091 Mar 05, 15:58:22 - Sushan Purim (day after Purim; Esther 9:16-19)
2091 Aug 29, 00:38:25 - no holiday
2101/02 Lunar tetrad
2101 Feb 14, 02:50:00 - no holiday
2101 Aug 09, 08:25:33 - no holiday
2102 Feb 03, 07:18:21 - no holiday
2102 Jul 30, 00:29:10 - no holiday
2119/20 Lunar tetrad
2119 Feb 25, 11:05:13 - no holiday
2119 Aug 20, 15:51:55 - no holiday
2120 Feb 14, 15:17:20 - no holiday
2120 Aug 09, 08:01:32 - no holiday
2137/38 Lunar tetrad
2137 Mar 07, 19:13:43 - Purim
2137 Aug 30, 23:24:05 - no holiday
2138 Feb 24, 23:09:56 - no holiday
2138 Aug 20, 15:38:46 - no holiday
2155/56 Lunar tetrad
2155 Mar 19, 03:12:45 - Shushan Purim
2155 Sep 11, 07:03:11 - no holiday
2156 Mar 07, 06:54:14 - Purim
2156 Aug 30, 23:20:37 - no holiday
That's 17 lunar tetrads total in this period. Of course to my understanding the Jewish calendar is based on lunar months, is it not? So are these 'feast tetrads' of 49/50, 67/68 and 14/15 really so unusual?
I figure one holiday within a tetrad can be more or less ignored as coincidence, especially since there's quite a few with no holidays. Pesach Sheni doesn't seem to be an actual holiday in itself; so if we ignore that, it means that of our 17 tetrads there are 5 which include two Jewish holidays, and only 1 which includes three holidays. In other words, of the 14 besides our three, none have four holidays (of any type), 6 have two or three holidays and 4 of them have no holidays (not even Pesach Sheni). Then there's our three which cover four holidays, in an almost consistent Pesach/Sukkot pattern; the two gone by having begun in years rather significant to Israel's history.
Whether this might mean anything regarding the next tetrad is obviously for the individual to decide, but I figure a few actual, referenced facts can't hurt. Let me know if I've made any mistakes
1949/50 Lunar tetrad
1949 Apr 13, 04:11:25 - Erev Pesach (eve of Passover, I believe)
1949 Oct 07, 02:56:55 - Erev Sukkot
1950 Apr 02, 20:44:34 - Pesach I
1950 Sep 26, 04:17:11 - Sukkot I
1967/68 Lunar tetrad
1967 Apr 24, 12:07:04 - Erev Pesach
1967 Oct 18, 10:15:48 - Erev Sukkot
1968 Apr 13, 04:48:01 - Pesach I
1968 Oct 06, 11:42:35 - Erev Sukkot (bit of a slip-up in the pattern there)
2014/15 Lunar tetrad
2014 Apr 15, 07:46:48 - Erev Pesach
2014 Oct 08, 10:55:44 - Erev Sukkot
2015 Apr 04, 12:01:24 - Pesach I
2015 Sep 28, 02:48:17 - Sukkot I
So far the OP seems to more or less check out.
What about in other years? Seems there's periods in which lunar tetrads do occur, then others in which they don't. At the moment we're in a period in which they do. So here's a complete list of all lunar tetrads across nearly a thousand years, between 1582 and 2447:
1909/10 Lunar tetrad
1909 Jun 04, 01:28:51 - no holiday
1909 Nov 27, 08:54:41 - no holiday
1910 May 24, 05:34:16 - no holiday
1910 Nov 17, 00:20:52 - no holiday
1927/28 Lunar tetrad
1927 Jun 15, 08:24:41 - no holiday
1927 Dec 08, 17:35:10 - no holiday
1928 Jun 03, 12:09:57 - no holiday
1928 Nov 27, 09:01:47 - no holiday
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1985/86 Lunar tetrad
1985 May 04, 19:57:19 - no holiday
1985 Oct 28, 17:43:17 - no holiday
1986 Apr 24, 12:43:30 - Pesach I
1986 Oct 17, 19:18:54 - Erev Sukkot
2003/04 Lunar tetrad
2003 May 16, 03:41:13 - Pesach Sheni (second Passover; Numbers 9:6-13)
2003 Nov 09, 01:19:38 - no holiday
2004 May 04, 20:31:17 - no holiday
2004 Oct 28, 03:05:11 - no holiday
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2032/33 Lunar tetrad
2032 Apr 25, 15:14:51 - Pesach Sheni
2032 Oct 18, 19:03:40 - no holiday
2033 Apr 14, 19:13:51 - Pesach I
2033 Oct 08, 10:56:23 - Sukkot I
2043/44 Lunar tetrad
2043 Mar 25, 14:32:04 - Erev Purim
2043 Sep 19, 01:51:50 - no holiday
2044 Mar 13, 19:38:33 - Purim
2044 Sep 07, 11:20:44 - no holiday
2050/51 Lunar tetrad
2050 May 06, 22:32:02 - Pesach Sheni
2050 Oct 30, 03:21:47 - no holiday
2051 Apr 26, 02:16:28 - Pesach Sheni
2051 Oct 19, 19:11:50 - no holiday
2061/62 Lunar tetrad
2061 Apr 04, 21:54:05 - Erev Pesach
2061 Sep 29, 09:38:13 - Sukkot I
2062 Mar 25, 03:33:50 - Pesach I
2062 Sep 18, 18:34:02 - no holiday
2072/73 Lunar tetrad
2072 Mar 04, 15:23:07 - Purim
2072 Aug 28, 16:05:42 - no holiday
2073 Feb 22, 07:24:53 - no holiday
2073 Aug 17, 17:42:41 - no holiday
2090/91 Lunar tetrad
2090 Mar 15, 23:48:31 - Erev Purim
2090 Sep 08, 22:52:29 - no holiday
2091 Mar 05, 15:58:22 - Sushan Purim (day after Purim; Esther 9:16-19)
2091 Aug 29, 00:38:25 - no holiday
2101/02 Lunar tetrad
2101 Feb 14, 02:50:00 - no holiday
2101 Aug 09, 08:25:33 - no holiday
2102 Feb 03, 07:18:21 - no holiday
2102 Jul 30, 00:29:10 - no holiday
2119/20 Lunar tetrad
2119 Feb 25, 11:05:13 - no holiday
2119 Aug 20, 15:51:55 - no holiday
2120 Feb 14, 15:17:20 - no holiday
2120 Aug 09, 08:01:32 - no holiday
2137/38 Lunar tetrad
2137 Mar 07, 19:13:43 - Purim
2137 Aug 30, 23:24:05 - no holiday
2138 Feb 24, 23:09:56 - no holiday
2138 Aug 20, 15:38:46 - no holiday
2155/56 Lunar tetrad
2155 Mar 19, 03:12:45 - Shushan Purim
2155 Sep 11, 07:03:11 - no holiday
2156 Mar 07, 06:54:14 - Purim
2156 Aug 30, 23:20:37 - no holiday
That's 17 lunar tetrads total in this period. Of course to my understanding the Jewish calendar is based on lunar months, is it not? So are these 'feast tetrads' of 49/50, 67/68 and 14/15 really so unusual?
I figure one holiday within a tetrad can be more or less ignored as coincidence, especially since there's quite a few with no holidays. Pesach Sheni doesn't seem to be an actual holiday in itself; so if we ignore that, it means that of our 17 tetrads there are 5 which include two Jewish holidays, and only 1 which includes three holidays. In other words, of the 14 besides our three, none have four holidays (of any type), 6 have two or three holidays and 4 of them have no holidays (not even Pesach Sheni). Then there's our three which cover four holidays, in an almost consistent Pesach/Sukkot pattern; the two gone by having begun in years rather significant to Israel's history.
Whether this might mean anything regarding the next tetrad is obviously for the individual to decide, but I figure a few actual, referenced facts can't hurt. Let me know if I've made any mistakes
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Post #148
Actually we know all these things have happened or will happen indicating when Jesus steps down on the mount of olives.Goat wrote:Except it hasn't happened yet... and I will be more than willing to put money in a third party escrow account as a bet with you that it won't... where the third party determines if the 'prophecy happened.
It wouldn't make sense for me to bet you if I am first raptured Sept. 14, 2015 on Feast of Trumpets since I will have no use of the winnings. Plus I can get a better return on my investment than a 100% return in about 5 years since I have an exceptional way of making money off my bankroll.
You're too small time for me.
Post #149
We are only concerned with tetrads that fall on passover, tabernacles, and again on passover and tabernacles. The one in 1949/50 was the 6th since Christ. The one 1967/68 is the 7th since Christ, and the 8th since Christ will be 2014/15. It won't happen again 2582/83. Also, interestingly, sometimes even the regular Tetrad can be quite rare, e.g. the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries there were no regular tetrads at all.
Post #150
It amuses me when Biblical literalist claim the end is near.
Here is my literalist biblical proof that the end is NOT near:
"I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed," - Genesis 26:4
Stars in the sky = 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEM75BS1VED_extreme_0.html
In order for there to have been that many descendants of Abraham, there would need to have been an average of 25,00,000,000,000,000,000 Jews born every year in the 4000 years since Abraham was around.
Clearly this hasn't happened, and it will be awhile before the total number of Abraham's descendants reaches anything close to 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Since that would be more Jews than there are square feet of surface area on the earth, (including the surface of the ocean) I expect the Jewish population will have to have expanded into space before Jesus comes back to Earth. By that point the majority of the human population will live somewhere other than Earth, so maybe no one will really take much notice of His return.
Here is my literalist biblical proof that the end is NOT near:
"I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed," - Genesis 26:4
Stars in the sky = 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEM75BS1VED_extreme_0.html
In order for there to have been that many descendants of Abraham, there would need to have been an average of 25,00,000,000,000,000,000 Jews born every year in the 4000 years since Abraham was around.
Clearly this hasn't happened, and it will be awhile before the total number of Abraham's descendants reaches anything close to 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Since that would be more Jews than there are square feet of surface area on the earth, (including the surface of the ocean) I expect the Jewish population will have to have expanded into space before Jesus comes back to Earth. By that point the majority of the human population will live somewhere other than Earth, so maybe no one will really take much notice of His return.
