WHY DID GOD CREATE US???

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WHY DID GOD CREATE US???

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WHY DID GOD CREATE US:

ANSWER:  So that we would worship Him, thank Him and remember Him, and do that which He has commanded us. You know that among mankind there are non-believers  and there are believers. This is because God wants to test His slaves as to whether they will worship Him or worship others. That is after God has showed the way to everyone. God says (interpretation of the meaning):

 “Who has created death and life that He may test you which of you is best in deed� [Quran al-Mulk 67:2]

 “And I (Allaah) created not the jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me (Alone)� [Quran al-Dhaariyaat 51:56]

PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD:

Proof 1: Instinctive evidence: 

This category is the strongest of the categories in regards to the evidence that prove God exists   Allah (God) says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“So set you (O Muhammad) your face towards the religion (of pure Islamic Monotheism) Haneef (worship none but Allaah Alone). Allaah’s Fitrah (i.e. Allaah’s Islamic Monotheism) with which He has created mankind� [Quran al-Room 30:30] 

Humans are born with a sound natural disposition (fitrah) which testifies to the existence of God and man cannot turn away from that unless the devils mislead him,  whoever is misled by the devils may not recognize this evidence.� 

Each individual has a  feeling inside himself that he has a Lord and Creator, and he feels that he is in need of Him, if some major calamity befalls him he turns his hands, eyes and heart towards the heavens, seeking help from his Lord. 

Proof 2: Tangible evidence: 

This category refers to the things that exist in this universe and things we see around us, things that exist for example trees, rocks, mankind, the earth, the heavens, seas, rivers… etc

The obvious question that is commonly asked is:

WHO CREATED THEM & IS TAKING CARE OF THEM???

The answer is that if these things came into being by accident, spontaneously and with no cause, then there is no one who knows how they were created, and that is one possibility. But there is another possibility, which is that these things created themselves and are taking care of themselves. And there is a third possibility, which is that there is Someone Who created them. When we look at these three possibilities, we find that the first and the second are impossible. If we reject the first and the second, then the third must be the one which is correct, which is that these things have a Creator who created them, and that Creator is Allaah (God). This is what is stated in the Qur’aan, where  (God) says: 

“Were they created by nothing? Or were they themselves the creators?

Or did they create the heavens and the earth? Nay, but they have no firm Belief� [Quran al-Toor 52:35] 

Moreover, WHEN WERE THESE MIGHTY THINGS CREATED??? For all these years, who is it that has decreed that they should remain in this world and has granted them the means of abiding? 

The answer is, it is  God who has given to each thing that which is suited to it and will guarantee its survival. Do you not see the beautiful green plants; when Allaah (God) cuts off their water supply, can they live? No, rather they become dry stalks. If you ponder all things you will find that they are dependent upon God Were it not for God, nothing would remain. 

And  God has created everything to do that for which it is suited. So camels, for example, are for riding. Allaah (God) says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“Do they not see that We have created for them of what Our Hands have created, the cattle, so that they are their owners.

And We have subdued them unto them so that some of them they have for riding and some they eat� [Quran Yaa-Seen 36:71-72]

 Look at the camel and how  (God) has created it strong, with a strong back, so that it can be used for riding and it is able to endure harsh conditions which other animals cannot bear.

 If you look at other creatures you will find that they are suited to the purposes for which they were created. Glory be to God.

An example of tangible evidence include:

 When calamities befall people this points to the existence of the Creator, for example, when they call upon God and Allaah responds to their prayer, this points to the existence of God

Proof 3: Shar’i evidence:

All divinely-revealed laws point to the existence of God. 

All the divinely-revealed laws point to the existence of the Creator and to the perfect nature of His knowledge, wisdom and mercy, because these laws must have been prescribed by someone, and that Lawgiver is God.

 I ask Allaah (God) to enable us and you to do that which He loves and is pleased with, Amin.

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So god is on a massive ego trip and created humans for the sole purpose of worshipping it? Talk about power crazy! #-o
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@ Pazuzu bin Hanbi 

QUOTE: "So god is on a massive ego trip and created humans for the sole purpose of worshipping it? Talk about power crazy!"

ANSWER: Allah (God) the Exalted, the Blessed created the creatures so that they worship Him Alone without partners. 

Those who obey Him will be rewarded with the best rewards, while those who disobey Him will receive the worst punishment from Him.

Allah (God) stated that He does not need creatures, but rather, they are in need of Him in all conditions. He is alone their Creator and Provider. 

How long do humans live for? is it not worth worshipping your Lord the one that gives you all that you have for eternal paradise which is better than the whole world and everything in it. Humbling yourself and appreciating all that He has done for you.

It is Him Alone, with no partner or associate, Whom the angels worship and do not worship anyone or anything besides Him, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“To Him belongs whosoever is in the heavens and on earth. And those who are near Him (i.e., the angels) are not too proud to worship Him, nor are they weary (of His worship).� 

[Quran al-Anbiya’ 21:19]

Everything that is worshipped instead of Allaah can neither bring benefit nor cause harm, it can neither create nor provide. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad, to mankind); ‘How do you worship besides Allaah something which has no power either to harm or to benefit you? But it is Allaah Who is the All-Hearer, All-Knower.’� 

[Quran al-Maa’idah 5:76]

“You worship besides Allaah only idols, and you only invent falsehood. Verily, those whom you worship besides Allaah have no power to give you provision, so seek your provision from Allaah (Alone), and worship Him (Alone), and be grateful to Him. To Him (Alone) you will be brought back.�

 [Quran al-‘Ankaboot 29:17]

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In the other thread I asked you to provide a noncircular argument to prove god exists to which you directed me to this thread. When I read what you have posted what is it I find? Nothing but circular arguments, you even made extensive quotes from islams holy book. You do know what a circular argument is don't you?

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@ Wyvern,

QUOTE: "In the other thread I asked you to provide a noncircular argument to prove god exists to which you directed me to this thread. When I read what you have posted what is it I find? Nothing but circular arguments, you even made extensive quotes from islams holy book. You do know what a circular argument is don't you?"

ANSWER: you wanted an answer you got it.

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HaLi8993 wrote: @ Wyvern,

QUOTE: "In the other thread I asked you to provide a noncircular argument to prove god exists to which you directed me to this thread. When I read what you have posted what is it I find? Nothing but circular arguments, you even made extensive quotes from islams holy book. You do know what a circular argument is don't you?"

ANSWER: you wanted an answer you got it.
Yet, that is not the answer you claimed to have. THe answer boils down to 'IT's in the holy book, and i know the holy book is right because the holy book tells me it's right.'.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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@ Goat

It's much more than just following a book, our natural disposition points to a creator, If you look and see the signs of the universe one can not help but wander how this all came about. When one reads the Quran and follows the teachings of the Prophet (peace be upon him). There is 100% no doubt that it's the truth. Nothing proven wrong, prophecies, science, kindness, everything about life, how to live it, how to treat people. Everything, a whole way of life that not only will benefit you in this life but also in the hereafter. Do you know what the problem is you can't let go, you dont want to take the chance, letting go of your beliefs is hard but that's where the test lies. Not everyone is born into a religious family including myself. But these days people are searching for direction, a meaning, a purpose in life. And the answer is Islam.

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HaLi8993 wrote: @ Wyvern,

QUOTE: "In the other thread I asked you to provide a noncircular argument to prove god exists to which you directed me to this thread. When I read what you have posted what is it I find? Nothing but circular arguments, you even made extensive quotes from islams holy book. You do know what a circular argument is don't you?"

ANSWER: you wanted an answer you got it.
I asked for a particular kind of answer and you failed miserably at it. Every religions holy book has "proof" that their god is real and the one true god, why should I believe yours over any other?

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@ Wyvern,

QUOTE: "I asked for a particular kind of answer and you failed miserably at it. Every religions holy book has "proof" that their god is real and the one true god, why should I believe yours over any other?"

ANSWER: You asked "to prove that God exists" and that is what the title of the post  is about the existence of God. Just because it isn't what you want to here doesn't mean it's not the truth. What kind of particular answer were u looking for?? I suggest you search for the right religion according to the purest of knowledge, logic and understanding with an open heart and mind. 

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QUOTE: "I asked for a particular kind of answer and you failed miserably at it. Every religions holy book has "proof" that their god is real and the one true god, why should I believe yours over any other?"

ANSWER: You asked "to prove that God exists" and that is what the title of the post is about the existence of God. Just because it isn't what you want to here doesn't mean it's not the truth. What kind of particular answer were u looking for?? I suggest you search for the right religion according to the purest of knowledge, logic and understanding with an open heart and mind.
In the other thread after I asked for a non circular proof of the existance of god you directed me to this thread saying it would answer this question, it has not and is also an entirely circular argument.

It isn't that it is or is not what I want to hear, it's that you are using your religion to justify your religion also known as a circular argument. You say what you have posted is the truth, fine all I want is for you to prove what you say is true, how hard can that be if you have the truth right in front of you?

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