The Gay Denomination?

[99percentatheism]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

[connermt]

Agreed. The anti-homosexual Christian is often raging in his disregard of homosexuality; one wonders what Jesus would do to such religious bigots to get them to turn the other cheek, tend their own gardens, and quit throwing stones of judgement upon their neighbors.

Yep. The very vocal anti-gay element within Christianity (I'm not implying that all, or even most, Christians are anti-gay, only that a significant portion are) has really soured me on the faith. I really don't think I can be associated with it anymore, despite my Christian upbringing and appreciation for Biblical themes / non-theistic theology / non-realist faith. The fact that a religious movement originally based around love, tolerance, and social justice has become a conduit for bigotry, prejudice, greed, and right-wing extremism is both ironic and sad. If Jesus could see what has become of the movement he started, he would probably be sick.

Well said ...also Flail.

I felt the need to say something else to those with some form of faith who might be despairing about this extreme form of Christianity which appears to be devoid of everything that it's supposed to stand for but I can't find the words right now ...unusual for me.

Lol, only a minority of 'Christians' are pro-homosexual. Thinking otherwise is simply delusional. You are delirious and liberally drunk if you think that more then, lets say, 20% of alleged Christendom is for homosexuality.

You would be surprised at the amount, i know some Catholics who are pro-homosexual. This may be due to a lack of education on the churches doctrines but none the less, they are practicing Catholics and they see no problem with granting Gay rights (not about marrying homosexuals in a catholic church but they have no problem with gay marriage as far as legality goes).

It is simply unorthodox and heretical to say that homosexuals have any place in the kingdom. Scripture comes right out and says it to your face.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe "scripture" isn't the be all and end all of everything? Or are you a Biblical literalist?

No, you would be surprised by the amount of nonsense people will say to produce such a lie. Most Christians simply do not believe homosexuality is okay. Atheists and liberals have gotten so bent out of shape, they think they can just posit something and it becomes true. Abrahamic religion damns homosexuality, it has always been that way, and nine out of every ten churches you happen by will tell you that homosexuality is a mortal deviance.

And I am Roman Catholic.

Many christians, at one time, believed slavery was OK and inter-racial marriages were wrong and even sinful.
Many churches I attended beleived the following were also sins:
Girls in pants
Guys with long hair
Dancing
Drinking alcohol
Playing cards
Oh how society makes religions evolve!

[kayky]

No, you would be surprised by the amount of nonsense people will say to produce such a lie. Most Christians simply do not believe homosexuality is okay.

I think cnorman's post has already proven you quite wrong on this one.

Atheists and liberals have gotten so bent out of shape, they think they can just posit something and it becomes true.

Do you get "bent out of shape" when you witness social injustice?

Would you get "bent out of shape" if your own civil rights were denied you?

Abrahamic religion damns homosexuality, it has always been that way, and nine out of every ten churches you happen by will tell you that homosexuality is a mortal deviance.

This is only true of churches with extreme literalist fundamentalist points of view. Some of us are beginning to grow up.

A little advice: be careful about throwing statistics around that you can't back up.

[otseng]

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[SilenceInMotion]

No, you would be surprised by the amount of nonsense people will say to produce such a lie. Most Christians simply do not believe homosexuality is okay.

I think cnorman's post has already proven you quite wrong on this one.

Really? A handful of Christians in relevance to the 2.2 billion Christians on Earth is *most*?
I believe you will believe anything that fits your biases no matter how utterly elementary they may be.

Do you get "bent out of shape" when you witness social injustice?

Would you get "bent out of shape" if your own civil rights were denied you?

What civil rights are being denied? Civil rights are being invented and redefined. A homosexual not being able to vote is social injustice. Not allowing a homosexual to be homosexual is social injustice. Not allowing homosexuals to get married is perfectly fine, just as not allowing a man to marry a goat is perfectly fine.

Abrahamic religion damns homosexuality, it has always been that way, and nine out of every ten churches you happen by will tell you that homosexuality is a mortal deviance.

This is only true of churches with extreme literalist fundamentalist points of view. Some of us are beginning to grow up.[/quote]

This is only true when a Christian is a true Christian and heeds what Scripture so obviously tells. One only needs to be a *literalist* to the the degree of *literally* reading the literal statements in the Bible.
Some of you are beginning to create your own religion, not grow up.

A little advice: be careful about throwing statistics around that you can't back up.

Who are you telling? Tell it to yourselves and others. You all are the ones lying through your teeth. Roman Catholicism is half of Christendom right on, and they do not accept gays. Most Protestants are diametrically opposed to homosexuality. What have you few given? A few fanatical sects and Anglicanism, which has always been split on the issue as is anyway and just got outvoted.
Gee, what a massive amount of people. You might want to take off a few zeros from the number you wish were gay-condoning Christians.

[Filthy Tugboat]

Agreed. The anti-homosexual Christian is often raging in his disregard of homosexuality; one wonders what Jesus would do to such religious bigots to get them to turn the other cheek, tend their own gardens, and quit throwing stones of judgement upon their neighbors.

Yep. The very vocal anti-gay element within Christianity (I'm not implying that all, or even most, Christians are anti-gay, only that a significant portion are) has really soured me on the faith. I really don't think I can be associated with it anymore, despite my Christian upbringing and appreciation for Biblical themes / non-theistic theology / non-realist faith. The fact that a religious movement originally based around love, tolerance, and social justice has become a conduit for bigotry, prejudice, greed, and right-wing extremism is both ironic and sad. If Jesus could see what has become of the movement he started, he would probably be sick.

Well said ...also Flail.

I felt the need to say something else to those with some form of faith who might be despairing about this extreme form of Christianity which appears to be devoid of everything that it's supposed to stand for but I can't find the words right now ...unusual for me.

Lol, only a minority of 'Christians' are pro-homosexual. Thinking otherwise is simply delusional. You are delirious and liberally drunk if you think that more then, lets say, 20% of alleged Christendom is for homosexuality.

You would be surprised at the amount, i know some Catholics who are pro-homosexual. This may be due to a lack of education on the churches doctrines but none the less, they are practicing Catholics and they see no problem with granting Gay rights (not about marrying homosexuals in a catholic church but they have no problem with gay marriage as far as legality goes).

It is simply unorthodox and heretical to say that homosexuals have any place in the kingdom. Scripture comes right out and says it to your face.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe "scripture" isn't the be all and end all of everything? Or are you a Biblical literalist?

No, you would be surprised by the amount of nonsense people will say to produce such a lie. Most Christians simply do not believe homosexuality is okay. Atheists and liberals have gotten so bent out of shape, they think they can just posit something and it becomes true. Abrahamic religion damns homosexuality, it has always been that way, and nine out of every ten churches you happen by will tell you that homosexuality is a mortal deviance.

If you read This poll that Cnorman quoted, you might notice the evidence presented that counters your claim. Do you have any means of rebuttle or are you happy to leave it as a baseless assertion?

And I am Roman Catholic.

Congrats.

[KCKID]

Silenceinmotion, I notice that you have not responded to my claim that it was the vast abuses of the Catholic church that led to Protestantism in the first place. How does that fit in with your idea of God's one true Church?

Apparently, SilenceinMotion has a habit of shirking questions asked of him. He made the claim that homosexuality was idolatry (THIS coming from a Roman Catholic who prays to statues!) and I asked him to provide scriptures to back this up. I'm still waiting.

[SilenceInMotion]

Agreed. The anti-homosexual Christian is often raging in his disregard of homosexuality; one wonders what Jesus would do to such religious bigots to get them to turn the other cheek, tend their own gardens, and quit throwing stones of judgement upon their neighbors.

Yep. The very vocal anti-gay element within Christianity (I'm not implying that all, or even most, Christians are anti-gay, only that a significant portion are) has really soured me on the faith. I really don't think I can be associated with it anymore, despite my Christian upbringing and appreciation for Biblical themes / non-theistic theology / non-realist faith. The fact that a religious movement originally based around love, tolerance, and social justice has become a conduit for bigotry, prejudice, greed, and right-wing extremism is both ironic and sad. If Jesus could see what has become of the movement he started, he would probably be sick.

Well said ...also Flail.

I felt the need to say something else to those with some form of faith who might be despairing about this extreme form of Christianity which appears to be devoid of everything that it's supposed to stand for but I can't find the words right now ...unusual for me.

Lol, only a minority of 'Christians' are pro-homosexual. Thinking otherwise is simply delusional. You are delirious and liberally drunk if you think that more then, lets say, 20% of alleged Christendom is for homosexuality.

You would be surprised at the amount, i know some Catholics who are pro-homosexual. This may be due to a lack of education on the churches doctrines but none the less, they are practicing Catholics and they see no problem with granting Gay rights (not about marrying homosexuals in a catholic church but they have no problem with gay marriage as far as legality goes).

It is simply unorthodox and heretical to say that homosexuals have any place in the kingdom. Scripture comes right out and says it to your face.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe "scripture" isn't the be all and end all of everything? Or are you a Biblical literalist?

No, you would be surprised by the amount of nonsense people will say to produce such a lie. Most Christians simply do not believe homosexuality is okay. Atheists and liberals have gotten so bent out of shape, they think they can just posit something and it becomes true. Abrahamic religion damns homosexuality, it has always been that way, and nine out of every ten churches you happen by will tell you that homosexuality is a mortal deviance.

If you read back a bit, you might notice the evidence presented that counters your claim. Do you have any means of rebuttle or are you happy to leave it as a baseless assertion?

And I am Roman Catholic.

Congrats.

I have priests, bishops, cardinals, theologians, and otherwise a gargantuan count of vastly educated clergy which, for the past two thousand years, have maintained the obvious in Scripture.
You have a bunch of hearsay, unorthodox heretics, and Anglicanism which was started because a king couldn't get a divorce from his wife reconciled by the Church.

Canon Law or even a basic reading of Scripture tells that homosexuality is a mortal deviance. It is blatantly obvious. You all have no rebuttal or evidence of anything except that you all REALLY REALLY wish most alleged Christians would be ultra-liberal like yourself.
In fact, the only reason you all even have the *illusion* of an argument is because, as per usual, you all grab that big ol' liberal club and bash anyone with it who disagrees.
That is an utmost rule breaker right there, and yet guess whose post got petitioned? You see, these conflicts of interest just make it a waste of time to even speak to you all on the subject.

[SilenceInMotion]

Silenceinmotion, I notice that you have not responded to my claim that it was the vast abuses of the Catholic church that led to Protestantism in the first place. How does that fit in with your idea of God's one true Church?

Apparently, SilenceinMotion has a habit of shirking questions asked of him. He made the claim that homosexuality was idolatry (THIS coming from a Roman Catholic who prays to statues!) and I asked him to provide scriptures to back this up. I'm still waiting.

You all have the wrong definition of idolatry. You all have the convenient one which makes the very word meaningless. Homosexuality is a life long deviance dually noted in the Bible. Homosexuals put vanity and lies over the Gospel, making a commitment to it, and this is idolatry.
With your definition, you cannot even distinguish what and what isn't idolatry. If the statues in St. Peter's basilica for example is idolatry, so is the cross or (lol) a stone table at a pizzeria. Therefore, I automatically win out on the argument.
Thank you, come again *next*

[KCKID]

Silenceinmotion, I notice that you have not responded to my claim that it was the vast abuses of the Catholic church that led to Protestantism in the first place. How does that fit in with your idea of God's one true Church?

Apparently, SilenceinMotion has a habit of shirking questions asked of him. He made the claim that homosexuality was idolatry (THIS coming from a Roman Catholic who prays to statues!) and I asked him to provide scriptures to back this up. I'm still waiting.

You all have the wrong definition of idolatry. You all have the convenient one which makes the very word meaningless. Homosexuality is a life long deviance dually noted in the Bible.

And, it's THIS proof from the Bible that I'm asking for. It's irrelevant whether or not 'all of our' definitions of idolatry are wrong, I'm just asking you to back up YOUR claim from scripture.

Homosexuals put vanity and lies over the Gospel, and this is idolatry.

Again, where in the scriptures can we find this? It just sounds like meaningless rhetoric to me.

[SilenceInMotion]

Silenceinmotion, I notice that you have not responded to my claim that it was the vast abuses of the Catholic church that led to Protestantism in the first place. How does that fit in with your idea of God's one true Church?

Apparently, SilenceinMotion has a habit of shirking questions asked of him. He made the claim that homosexuality was idolatry (THIS coming from a Roman Catholic who prays to statues!) and I asked him to provide scriptures to back this up. I'm still waiting.

You all have the wrong definition of idolatry. You all have the convenient one which makes the very word meaningless. Homosexuality is a life long deviance dually noted in the Bible.

And, it's THIS proof from the Bible that I'm asking for. It's irrelevant whether or not 'all of our' definitions of idolatry are wrong, I'm just asking you to back up YOUR claim from scripture.

Homosexuals put vanity and lies over the Gospel, and this is idolatry.

Again, where in the scriptures can we find this? It just sounds like meaningless rhetoric to me.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Romans 1:24-27
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Checkmate
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