There are many misconceptions that exist within the field of Islam one being the topic of women. Unfortunately due to ignorance and lack of knowledge of some people and the ever growing propaganda and Islamaphobia that exist today, including the ever growing media agenda’s that govern the way people think and act, women are deemed as being unequal to men in Islam.
We are all aware that women and men are not alike so I don’t understand when someone makes the statement that Islam should practice equality, what do you mean by equality??? This word – equality – which many thinkers in both the east and the west advocate in various fields of life is a word which is based on deviation and a lack of understanding, especially when it is attributed to the religion to Islam. One of the things that people misunderstand is when they say that “Islam is the religion of equality�. What they should say is that Islam is the religion of justice.
Here we should note that there are some people who speak of equality instead of justice, and this is a mistake. We should not say equality, because equality implies no differentiation between the two. Because of this unjust call for equality, people start to ask, what is the difference between male and female?’ So they made males and females the same. We are all aware that the Male is not like the female.
God says in the Quran:
“And the male is not like the female�[Quran Aal ‘Imraan 3:36] The male is different from the female in many ways, in his strength, in his body, in his toughness and roughness, whereas women are soft and gentle. Women are like men in some aspects and they differ from them in others. Most of the rulings of Islam apply to men and women equally.
In cases where a distinction is made between the sexes, the Muslim regards that as a mercy from God and a sign of His knowledge of His creation, but the arrogant people see it as oppression and injustice, so he stubbornly insists on claiming that men and women are the same. So let him tell us how a man can carry a foetus and breastfeed it? He stubbornly ignores the weakness of women and how they bleed during their monthly period, and he stubbornly refuses to accept reality.
But the Muslim is still at peace with his faith, surrendering to the command of God. “Should not He who has created know? And He is the Most Kind and Courteous (to His slaves), All Aware (of everything)� [Quran al-Mulk 67:14 ]
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Post #602
It is truly sickening to see Muslims agree with slavery in Islam, calling the owning of other humans as "kindness and compassion and beautiful".HaLi8993 wrote:
ANSWER: The principle of dealing with slaves in Islam is a combination of justice, kindness and compassion. If someone is a slave in Islam you wouldn't want anyone to give you away, that's how beautifully Islam treats their slaves so much so that they become friends with their masters and become part of Muslim families, your understanding of slavery is in reference to the contemporary European version of slavery this is not the case in Islam.
Friends with masters, indeed. Disgusting.
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Post #603
I understand Islam a whole lot better than you understand reality.HaLi8993 wrote: ANSWER: I find it really strange how you think you know Islam. Â
Like slavery and misogyny for just a couple of examples.ANSWER: Harm to others?? Like??
That is why Islam is wrong.ANSWER: No, there is Justice.
The Quran consists of the lies of Muhammad and I don't follow those lies.ANSWER: It's actually God that instructs us on how we should behave and dress so why do you not follow Him?
Yes, slavery and misogyny is what is best according to your god.ANSWER: God knows what is best for a society, that is your opinion.
Of course. That's why we have something called "Human Rights" because men and women are humans and deserve to share the same rights.ANSWER: If you claim there should be equality then shouldn't it apply to all  situations? If men and women are the same then shouldn't they be treated the same??
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Post #604
It's interesting how believers will find some bs on the website that they clearly have no understanding but will post it as "evidence" and demand others refute it, even though it's pure bs to begin with. No morals or ethics whatsoever.HaLi8993 wrote:
ANSWER: Lol, its natural for you to feel this way I think I would be very angry also if I had all this evidence against me also he he. Why is it a lie?? In my opinion the evidence is very clear it's easy to claim something is a lie, where is your proof? So what is your opinion in regards to the above statement, how can you refute it??
Post #605
@ Autodidact
QUOTE: "I keep telling you, it is not enough to just announce your views. This is a debate site. It is your job to show that this is the case."
ANSWER: What would you like to know??Â
QUOTE: "Because it is barbaric and harmful. Because young girls have acid thrown on their faces, and writers have to live in hiding. Because people are being killed for their beliefs. Because women are living in abject subjugation. Because "Violence erupted again on Monday as militants carried out suicide attacks on two police headquarters, as well as assaults that left 20 people dead — three police officers, an Afghan prosecutor, two children and 14 attackers, according to officials. At least 60 people were wounded." Because devout Muslims burned down buildings and killed innocent people over some cartoons they didn't like. I could go on and on. But most important to me is this: It is wrong."
ANSWER: What do you think is barbaric and harmful?, what are you referring too? Can you show me how Islam accepts or promotes acid throwing, your the one making this claim so it would only be logical to forward your proof.
Again you need to provide evidence that Islam accepts such things. If we want to talk about the atrocities that America have committed we can easy do this also.
QUOTE: "I have the right to speak the truth as I see it, and so do you. You do not have, and should not have, the right to kill me over it. That is not self-defence; it's repression and it's wrong. Is it Islamic?"
ANSWER: If we judge Islam according to what you see, this would be a great injustice especially without understanding Islam or studying it's rulings.
QUOTE: "I beg of you, think. This is a debate forum. I am an atheist. Do you really think that announcing as if it was fact that "they are God's laws" is an effective argument.Â
Now it is incumbent on you to demonstrate that this is true. Good luck with that"
ANSWER: If you want to debate you need to forward proof for you claims first, so that I can use evidence against you from my sources, do you think it's an effective argument by claiming that the laws of God are bad without any evidence to suggest this claim?, Â how am I meant to demonstrate this is not true without knowing what you are referring too?
QUOTE: "Yes, and I don't think you want to review the last 14 centuries of conquest and slavery, do you? But I thought you wanted to cover one subject, slavery. Why do you keep bringing up other ones?"
ANSWER: Then it would be clear to say that true Islam existed.
QUOTE: "I'm here to debate, why are you here?"
ANSWER: that's not the topic in question
QUOTE: "It should be up to the woman how she wants to dress. If you feel like wearing a tent, feel free. If I do not, I should also be free, and should be neither beaten nor raped should I choose to do so."
ANSWER: Â It is up to her if she wishes not to follow the laws of God, that's your choice you don't believe in God why would you want to cover up? Where does Islam say you can beat and rape a girl for not covering.
QUOTE: ". So then among Muslim men, women can wear what they like, go out in public, and have any job she likes?"
ANSWER: No Certainly not! Men also cannot do these things.
QUOTE: "Yes, we've gone over that. Islam is sexist. I think we can agree on that and move on."
ANSWER: Nice Try!
QUOTE: "NO, the qu'ran is not evidence, it's gibberish.You do realize that you contradicted yourself again, right? First you said that women were not as intelligent or capable, and then that they are. Which is it?"
ANSWER: That's your opinion, where did I say they are not intellectual??
QUOTE: "I keep telling you, it is not enough to just announce your views. This is a debate site. It is your job to show that this is the case."
ANSWER: What would you like to know??Â
QUOTE: "Because it is barbaric and harmful. Because young girls have acid thrown on their faces, and writers have to live in hiding. Because people are being killed for their beliefs. Because women are living in abject subjugation. Because "Violence erupted again on Monday as militants carried out suicide attacks on two police headquarters, as well as assaults that left 20 people dead — three police officers, an Afghan prosecutor, two children and 14 attackers, according to officials. At least 60 people were wounded." Because devout Muslims burned down buildings and killed innocent people over some cartoons they didn't like. I could go on and on. But most important to me is this: It is wrong."
ANSWER: What do you think is barbaric and harmful?, what are you referring too? Can you show me how Islam accepts or promotes acid throwing, your the one making this claim so it would only be logical to forward your proof.
Again you need to provide evidence that Islam accepts such things. If we want to talk about the atrocities that America have committed we can easy do this also.
QUOTE: "I have the right to speak the truth as I see it, and so do you. You do not have, and should not have, the right to kill me over it. That is not self-defence; it's repression and it's wrong. Is it Islamic?"
ANSWER: If we judge Islam according to what you see, this would be a great injustice especially without understanding Islam or studying it's rulings.
QUOTE: "I beg of you, think. This is a debate forum. I am an atheist. Do you really think that announcing as if it was fact that "they are God's laws" is an effective argument.Â
Now it is incumbent on you to demonstrate that this is true. Good luck with that"
ANSWER: If you want to debate you need to forward proof for you claims first, so that I can use evidence against you from my sources, do you think it's an effective argument by claiming that the laws of God are bad without any evidence to suggest this claim?, Â how am I meant to demonstrate this is not true without knowing what you are referring too?
QUOTE: "Yes, and I don't think you want to review the last 14 centuries of conquest and slavery, do you? But I thought you wanted to cover one subject, slavery. Why do you keep bringing up other ones?"
ANSWER: Then it would be clear to say that true Islam existed.
QUOTE: "I'm here to debate, why are you here?"
ANSWER: that's not the topic in question
QUOTE: "It should be up to the woman how she wants to dress. If you feel like wearing a tent, feel free. If I do not, I should also be free, and should be neither beaten nor raped should I choose to do so."
ANSWER: Â It is up to her if she wishes not to follow the laws of God, that's your choice you don't believe in God why would you want to cover up? Where does Islam say you can beat and rape a girl for not covering.
QUOTE: ". So then among Muslim men, women can wear what they like, go out in public, and have any job she likes?"
ANSWER: No Certainly not! Men also cannot do these things.
QUOTE: "Yes, we've gone over that. Islam is sexist. I think we can agree on that and move on."
ANSWER: Nice Try!
QUOTE: "NO, the qu'ran is not evidence, it's gibberish.You do realize that you contradicted yourself again, right? First you said that women were not as intelligent or capable, and then that they are. Which is it?"
ANSWER: That's your opinion, where did I say they are not intellectual??
Post #606
@ Actodidact
QUOTE: "Yes, well, as I said, if you are going to read it to mean something other than what it says, you may as well throw it out the window. Carpets are flat, duh, not spherical."
ANSWER: It's not talking about the earth being flat, Your logic doesn't make sense, besides the earth is spread out wide and flat on our level.
QUOTE: "Yes, well, as I said, if you are going to read it to mean something other than what it says, you may as well throw it out the window. Carpets are flat, duh, not spherical."
ANSWER: It's not talking about the earth being flat, Your logic doesn't make sense, besides the earth is spread out wide and flat on our level.
Post #607
@ Autodidact
QUOTE: "Wow, I wonder why you feel the need to be so evasive. My understanding of slavery is the definition of slavery, which is that one person owns another. In Islam, is it permitted to own slaves? Yes, or no?Â
As for how actual Muslims actually treat their actual slaves, do you really want me to cover that?"
ANSWER: As mentioned before your understanding of slavery is incorrect, I want to ask you this, when America went into Afghanistan and placed innocent men in Guantanamo Bay that are still there without placing them on trial, who do you think owns them?? Do you consider this as one person owning another? Is this permitted??Â
We can cover how prisoners of war are treated according to Western values if you like.
QUOTE: "Do you want more? Because I can produce reams of facts on how actual Muslims capture, maim, rape, sell and oppress their actual slaves, today.Â
And you wonder why I criticize Islam?Â
Tell you what. You be my slave, o.k.? I have some windows that need washing.Â
I may have to bow out of this conversation. When people start defending slavery, it makes me sick, frankly"
ANSWER: I'm glad you posted that, cause it's just another example of how these crimes are committed in the name of "tradition" and not Islam. I am really not interested in the crimes people commit, what I'm concerned about is the religion of Islam, are you going to prove to me Islam accepts such things?, or do you want to talk about the sex slaves of Joseph Kony, or how women are gang raped, beaten, drugged and kidnapped in America or perhaps the sex slaves that are tortured in Cambodia.Â
http://www.rt.com/news/kony-children-sex-slavery-396/
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/27098993/ ... x-slavery/
http://www.marieclaire.com/_mobile/worl ... -sex-slave
The only thing your criticizing is criminals.
QUOTE: "Wow, I wonder why you feel the need to be so evasive. My understanding of slavery is the definition of slavery, which is that one person owns another. In Islam, is it permitted to own slaves? Yes, or no?Â
As for how actual Muslims actually treat their actual slaves, do you really want me to cover that?"
ANSWER: As mentioned before your understanding of slavery is incorrect, I want to ask you this, when America went into Afghanistan and placed innocent men in Guantanamo Bay that are still there without placing them on trial, who do you think owns them?? Do you consider this as one person owning another? Is this permitted??Â
We can cover how prisoners of war are treated according to Western values if you like.
QUOTE: "Do you want more? Because I can produce reams of facts on how actual Muslims capture, maim, rape, sell and oppress their actual slaves, today.Â
And you wonder why I criticize Islam?Â
Tell you what. You be my slave, o.k.? I have some windows that need washing.Â
I may have to bow out of this conversation. When people start defending slavery, it makes me sick, frankly"
ANSWER: I'm glad you posted that, cause it's just another example of how these crimes are committed in the name of "tradition" and not Islam. I am really not interested in the crimes people commit, what I'm concerned about is the religion of Islam, are you going to prove to me Islam accepts such things?, or do you want to talk about the sex slaves of Joseph Kony, or how women are gang raped, beaten, drugged and kidnapped in America or perhaps the sex slaves that are tortured in Cambodia.Â
http://www.rt.com/news/kony-children-sex-slavery-396/
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/27098993/ ... x-slavery/
http://www.marieclaire.com/_mobile/worl ... -sex-slave
The only thing your criticizing is criminals.
Post #608
@ Autodidact
QUOTE: "I realize, that you're Muslim, but please, try to make some sense. Please follow along:Â
Slavery means that one person owns another as property, can be bought and sold, forced to work, and does not have the right of self-determination. That is what the word slavery means. So, using that definition, not some other definition, but that one, the actual one, does Islam permit slavery, or not? Please answer yes or no"
ANSWER: I have already answered this, what don't you get??
QUOTE: "Yes, I know that was the custom in that barbaric time and place when Islam was invented. Meanwhile, the modern, civilized world has advanced beyond that level of barbarism that remains alive in the Muslim world"
ANSWER: Moved on?? Islam is not barbaric nor is it invented, we don't change the laws of God, they remain as is, yes this is why the modern civilized world tortures its prisoners of war instead, this is not barbaric??, give me one example in Islam that states we can torture prisoners of war just one. Who could forget the modern civilized world when prisoners of war in Abu Ghraib were tortured these sort of barbaric acts can just get swept under to carpet?? They were treated worse than animals and here you are talking about slavery in Islam that treats the prisoners of war with humility, respect, and decency, you have definitely got the wrong understand of reality.Â
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghra ... oner_abuse
QUOTE: "It allows slavery to be unlawful? Slavery is not allowed? Or it is.Â
You do realize that all the non-Muslims reading this thread are rolling on the floor laughing at your contradictions and evasions, right? "
ANSWER: Islam does not allow unlawful slavery, what is the contradiction?Â
QUOTE: "Except that it does? Â
This is just plain silly. The rights of a slave are not equal to those of a free man. A free man OWNS a slave. The slave is property. The owner can sell the slave or give him as a gift, and the slave has no say in the matter. Â
Your utter confusion on this simple point, to the point where you are speaking gibberish, is telling us all we need to know, thank you"Â
In Islam, is slavery permitted?Â
There is no such thing as just and merciful slavery, any more than there is such a thing as a non-violent beating.Â
I find your ability to believe contradictions remarkable. Is this the result of an Islamic education? Please clear up my misconceptions. I thought Muslims were capable of the most elementary logic, such as that A cannot be not-A."
ANSWER: There is no such thing as a just and merciful slavery according to your understanding of slavery, Islam is not like this.
QUOTE: "I realize, that you're Muslim, but please, try to make some sense. Please follow along:Â
Slavery means that one person owns another as property, can be bought and sold, forced to work, and does not have the right of self-determination. That is what the word slavery means. So, using that definition, not some other definition, but that one, the actual one, does Islam permit slavery, or not? Please answer yes or no"
ANSWER: I have already answered this, what don't you get??
QUOTE: "Yes, I know that was the custom in that barbaric time and place when Islam was invented. Meanwhile, the modern, civilized world has advanced beyond that level of barbarism that remains alive in the Muslim world"
ANSWER: Moved on?? Islam is not barbaric nor is it invented, we don't change the laws of God, they remain as is, yes this is why the modern civilized world tortures its prisoners of war instead, this is not barbaric??, give me one example in Islam that states we can torture prisoners of war just one. Who could forget the modern civilized world when prisoners of war in Abu Ghraib were tortured these sort of barbaric acts can just get swept under to carpet?? They were treated worse than animals and here you are talking about slavery in Islam that treats the prisoners of war with humility, respect, and decency, you have definitely got the wrong understand of reality.Â
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghra ... oner_abuse
QUOTE: "It allows slavery to be unlawful? Slavery is not allowed? Or it is.Â
You do realize that all the non-Muslims reading this thread are rolling on the floor laughing at your contradictions and evasions, right? "
ANSWER: Islam does not allow unlawful slavery, what is the contradiction?Â
QUOTE: "Except that it does? Â
This is just plain silly. The rights of a slave are not equal to those of a free man. A free man OWNS a slave. The slave is property. The owner can sell the slave or give him as a gift, and the slave has no say in the matter. Â
Your utter confusion on this simple point, to the point where you are speaking gibberish, is telling us all we need to know, thank you"Â
In Islam, is slavery permitted?Â
There is no such thing as just and merciful slavery, any more than there is such a thing as a non-violent beating.Â
I find your ability to believe contradictions remarkable. Is this the result of an Islamic education? Please clear up my misconceptions. I thought Muslims were capable of the most elementary logic, such as that A cannot be not-A."
ANSWER: There is no such thing as a just and merciful slavery according to your understanding of slavery, Islam is not like this.
Post #609
@ Autodidact
QUOTE: "In your mind.Â
Are we done with slavery, and ready to move on to violence, terrorism and conquest in Islam? Because you said you wanted to talk about slavery. At this point, I don't know if Muslims are allowed to own slaves or not. Can you clear up my misconception? Thanks."
ANSWER: We can move on to what ever you would like clarified, what do you think??Â
QUOTE: "In your mind.Â
Are we done with slavery, and ready to move on to violence, terrorism and conquest in Islam? Because you said you wanted to talk about slavery. At this point, I don't know if Muslims are allowed to own slaves or not. Can you clear up my misconception? Thanks."
ANSWER: We can move on to what ever you would like clarified, what do you think??Â
Post #610
@ Autodidact
QUOTE: "There are, and they are the happiest Muslims in the world. Muslims living in Muslim countries are the most miserable. That is why Muslims flee Muslim countries to take refuge in western democracies."
ANSWER: If Islam exists in Western countries then why do we not find these crimes there if where ever we find Muslims we find these things.Â
QUOTE: "There are, and they are the happiest Muslims in the world. Muslims living in Muslim countries are the most miserable. That is why Muslims flee Muslim countries to take refuge in western democracies."
ANSWER: If Islam exists in Western countries then why do we not find these crimes there if where ever we find Muslims we find these things.Â
