Did Allah start Christianty?

[Burninglight]

Allah made it look like Jesus died, but he let someone die in Jesus' place to save Jesus according to the Quran. Isn't that a form of substitutionary death? This is something some Muslims tell me God doesn't do; so, I am confused about this.

The Quran states that the unbelievers plot and scheme with deception but Allah is the "best of deceivers" Some English translations state "the best of planners," in context, however, Allah does best what the unbelievers were doing which was deceiving; so, is Allah to blame for starting Christianity or did he know his deception would cause the birth of a religion that Islam could not comprehend or overcome? For instance, Christianity, IMO, has always been bigger, better and stronger than Islam and always will be!

[HaLi8993]

@ Burninglight

QUOTE: "Jesus said, "I have power to lay down my life and take it back again." Jesus did rise from the dead. Your argument is insincere, because you are using an argument that you don't even believe in to support your claims. 

Muslim don't believe Jesus died on the cross so why do you use what isn't real to you to support Islam's deceptions? This is what is deceptive and twisted about Islam. It will say everything and anything to get adherents and keep them whether it is true or not. IMO, Islam's enemy is truth and knoweldge; its friend is ignorance and deception...

ANSWER: JOHN 10:18

"No man TAKETH IT FROM ME,  but "I" lay it down of myself. "I" have power to lay it down, and "I" have power to take it again.

Notice in this verse Jesus (peace be upon him) claims he has the power to raise himself, and there is no mention of God, Jesus (peace be upon him) is talking in first person "I" furthermore there is another contradiction because in Acts 5:30 we read:

The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. (Acts 5:30)

Hence it was God who raised Jesus (peace be upon him) he didn’t have the power to raise himself. I don't see where I have stated anything that we don't believe in, in order to  support my claims. I'm refuting the claim you made that through believing in Jesus (peace be upon him) laying down his life for your sins will save you. Burninglight Islam is the truth we don't lie about anything we expose the liars he he.

[A Troubled Man]

ANSWER: It is one of the greatest harms a person can achieve, as denial of God is worse than that of Saytan who (at least) acknowledged Him.

It appears you don't read my posts. I said I don't accept the claims of Muhammad, which has nothing to do with denying a gods existence.

You are causing harm to yourself by depriving yourself of the Rewards, Mercy, Guidance, Protection and most importantly Paradise that awaits those true believers and worshipers of God according to His laws. You are also harming others as you are diverting them from following the Message, hence misguiding them and leading them to a path of destruction, you will be held accountable for what you have caused them to do.

Childish threats based on Muhammad's words does not interest me in the least.

The strange view that Atheism has in regards to the universe and everything in it coming about purely by chance is contrary to sound human nature, reason and logic, and is contrary to simple logic and indisputable facts. Such a person would transgress every sacred limit and fall into every sin, his worldview would be distorted.

Yet, sound human nature, reason and logic don't support Muhammad's words.

The way that I see it is that Atheism goes against natural tendencies to believe in God, this belief is not always deeply rooted in the hearts of the atheists, and they affirm that they are only professing atheism outwardly, deep down he believes in one God. But he continues his life denying it due to stubbornness or other worldly reasons.

LOL! Hilarious. What does that have to do Muhammad's words?

ANSWER: There is plenty of evidence that leads to none other but the belief in a Creator, but people are in search of the answers from science instead of reliance on the Creator of science. God is the one that has Created nature and yet people want to turn to others who are constantly changing their theories, where by science keeps developing and brains are limited in knowing the matters of the Unseen. If I were to discover a watch on the beach with such mechanisms that make it function, I would certainly not call this chance or coincidence because someone must have put that watch there, it must of come from some where it must have a Maintainer, Owner, Creator and Sustainer.

Sorry, but there is no evidence for a creator, science has never observed anything that would support Muhammad's words.

[Burninglight]

@ Burninglight

QUOTE: "Simply believing in God does not keep us from spiritual harm. For instance, The devils believe, fear and tremble. That cannot save a persons soul for eternity. Only Jesus can"

ANSWER: Yes, but not believing in God brings harm to other and yourself, Jesus (peace be upon him) is not God, so you can he save you when he did not possess the power to save himself on the cross?? 

He could have chose not to die on the cross. He said, "I lay down muy life and take it back again." No other prophet except for Jesus raised from the dead and no other prophet could say "I am". Jesus didn't want to save Himself at the expense of our eternal souls.
Not believing in God does cause harm though, but believing in the wrong god does just as much damage. Islam's god is not the same as the God of the Bible

[HaLi8993]

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "It appears you don't read my posts. I said I don't accept the claims of Muhammad, which has nothing to do with denying a gods existence"

 ANSWER:  So do you or don't you deny God exists??

QUOTE: "Childish threats based on Muhammad's words does not interest me in the least."

ANSWER: You wanted to talk about reality, it should interest you the most. Lol

QUOTE: "Yet, sound human nature, reason and logic don't support Muhammad's words"

ANSWER: They are Gods words, human nature, reason, and logic points to a Creator something you deny and heavily rely on science to prove when all the answers can be found in Islam.

QUOTE: "LOL! Hilarious. What does that have to do with Muhammad's words?"

ANSWER: Your not interested so why do you care?? Lol, are you denying this is true?

QUOTE: "Sorry, but there is no evidence for a creator, science has never observed anything that would support Muhammad's words"

ANSWER: We all came into existence through chance then?, all the atoms new exactly where to go and what to do by chance?, there is many evidence in support of this, science doesn't have evidence that God does not exist. 

[HaLi8993]

@ Burninglight

QUOTE: "He could have chose not to die on the cross. He said, "I lay down muy life and take it back again." No other prophet except for Jesus raised from the dead and no other prophet could say "I am". Jesus didn't want to save Himself at the expense of our eternal souls. 

Not believing in God does cause harm though, but believing in the wrong god does just as much damage. Islam's god is not the same as the God of the Bible"

ANSWER: I don't believe he did, God decreed for him not to die on the cross. In this verse Jesus says: "I have the power to lay it down"

No body witnessed  the Resurrection of Jesus (peace be upon him), Jesus made it clear that crucifixion was not his purpose:

Mark 1:38:

Jesus replied, "Let us go somewhere else--to the nearby villages--so I can preach there also. That is why I have come.
 
Furthermore the apostles did not believe Jesus rose from the dead nor did they expect him to do so:  

Mark 16:14

Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen

Matthew 16:22

Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!� he said. “This shall never happen to you!
 
Moreover Jesus (peace be upon him) did not want to die, he was unwilling:

Luke 22:42-43

42 saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.

43 Then an angel appeared to Him from heaven, strengthening Him
 
Also God promised to save the Messiah in Chronicles and Psalms. Not to mention the bible rejecting human sacrifice in Deutronomy 12:31.
 
The crucifixion was not his purpose. Jesus' mission was to preach the Torah, and the Gospel, the idea of “dying for the sins of mankind� was added later. 

 Why did Jesus say “I have completed my mission� before he was even arrested? Why didn’t he say these words after the crucifixion?:

John 17:3-5

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. 

The Quran absolves Jesus of all these charges:

QURAN - 4:157
 
"That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not"

Yes believing in the wrong religion causes harm, to say Islam's God is not the same God of Christians is incorrect, your God and my God are One, there is only One God, if this was the case then according to your own scriptures Jesus would not have said:

Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.   

Mark 12:29

[Burninglight]

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "It appears you don't read my posts. I said I don't accept the claims of Muhammad, which has nothing to do with denying a gods existence"

 ANSWER:  So do you or don't you deny God exists??

QUOTE: "Childish threats based on Muhammad's words does not interest me in the least."

ANSWER: You wanted to talk about reality, it should interest you the most. Lol

QUOTE: "Yet, sound human nature, reason and logic don't support Muhammad's words"

ANSWER: They are Gods words, human nature, reason, and logic points to a Creator something you deny and heavily rely on science to prove when all the answers can be found in Islam.

QUOTE: "LOL! Hilarious. What does that have to do with Muhammad's words?"

ANSWER: Your not interested so why do you care?? Lol, are you denying this is true?

QUOTE: "Sorry, but there is no evidence for a creator, science has never observed anything that would support Muhammad's words"

ANSWER: We all came into existence through chance then?, all the atoms new exactly where to go and what to do by chance?, there is many evidence in support of this, science doesn't have evidence that God does not exist. 

If you don't believe Jesus died on the cross, why do you use it as an argument? It is impossible that Islam's god and the Biblical God are one. They aren't the same. Islam's god has no son; Muhammad once said Allah had three daughters and latter recanted. No Bible prophets ever made such a mistake with prophecy.

Since Allah didn't understand the Christian trinity, I can ask Muslims questions they cannot answer such as, can you show me were it states Allah is against the trinity as Christians understand it or God's Triunity? Where does it state that God's word cannot be made flesh?

[A Troubled Man]

 ANSWER:  So do you or don't you deny God exists??

Which God? There are many to choose from.

ANSWER: They are Gods words, human nature, reason, and logic points to a Creator something you deny and heavily rely on science to prove when all the answers can be found in Islam.

No, Islam is all Muhammad's words.

ANSWER: We all came into existence through chance then?, all the atoms new exactly where to go and what to do by chance?, there is many evidence in support of this, science doesn't have evidence that God does not exist. 

I have no idea what you're talking about.

[HaLi8993]

@ Burninglight

QUOTE: "If you don't believe Jesus died on the cross, why do you use it as an argument? It is impossible that Islam's god and the Biblical God are one. They aren't the same. Islam's god has no son; Muhammad once said Allah had three daughters and latter recanted. No Bible prophets ever made such a mistake with prophecy. 

Since Allah didn't understand the Christian trinity, I can ask Muslims questions they cannot answer such as, can you show me were it states Allah is against the trinity as Christians understand it or God's Triunity? Where does it state that God's word cannot be made flesh?"

ANSWER: I don't see how I used this in an argument or said something I didn't believe in, all I said was that Jesus (peace be upon him) was not God, why do you believe that Islam's God is not the same God as the Gospel? Muhammad (peace be upon him) never said such a thing lol, you are mistaken.

Allah perfectly understand the concept of Trinity as He warns against this in the Quran, I have shown you so many evidences in the past for this, why is it that you always continue to ask the same questions?? Where does it say it can

[HaLi8993]

@ A Troubled Man

QUOTE: "Which God? There are many to choose from"

ANSWER: Are you an Atheist or not??

QUOTE: "No, Islam is all Muhammad's words"

ANSWER: Nope

QUOTE: "I have no idea what you're talking about"

ANSWER: So you don't believe in Evolution then?? Lol

[A Troubled Man]

ANSWER: Are you an Atheist or not??

You didn't answer my question, which god do you refer? It can't be Allah because we know Islam is nothing more than the words of Muhammad. So, which other god are you referring?