Does God send babies to hell?

[Waiting4evidence]

For the purpose of this argument I will assume the following to be true:

1) God exists
2) Heaven and hell exist
3) Heaven is a desirable, pleasant place, hell is an undesirable, unpleasant place
4) Some people go to heaven when they die, others go to hell

Here is my question:
Does God send babies to hell?

If 3 hours after being born, a baby dies, what happens to his soul? Does it go back to heaven to be with his creator in eternal bliss, or does it get sent to hell to be in eternal anguish?

Or does it go to limbo or purgatory, or does it get annihilated/aborted?

In other words, I'm asking for a yes or no answer to this question:

Do babies who die in the first few hours after they are born go to heaven, yes or no?


If the answer is no, then please refer to my other posts about God being the most evil entity imaginable.

If the answer is yes, then I will now argue that for a woman to have an abortion is the single most moral thing anybody could ever do.

If you get pregnant and don't have an abortion, then the baby may grow up, and there is a chance that he will end up believing the wrong thing, or doing the wrong thing, and end up for eternity in the flames of hell.

To the contrary, if you kill your baby the instant it is born, it is GUARANTEED to go to heaven.

If you love your baby, why would you risk him ending up in hell, when you have a foolproof method to guarantee he will spend eternity in the bliss of God's presence?

If you love your baby, and if you believe that all babies end up in heaven, what possible justification could you have for not killing your baby as soon as possible?

[ttruscott]

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None of this has anything to do with what we are talking about. And, how can a baby do ANY of the things you say we must do to go to heaven? In other words, and as you put it, how is a baby supposed to do any of this:

Came in late did you? That's ok...

I contend that all that I have been talking about here happened before the creation of the physical universe and that we became elect or demons by our true free will choice back then.

Babies on earth mean nothing in this context that the spirit in the baby self chose his future before the earth existed, not matter how those who hate GOD construe this as a reason to further hate HIM for sending a baby to hell, ignoring that this baby's spirit was not an innocent but a 6000+ year old demon or it would not go to hell.

They just can't let their favourite accusation against GOD go...

"Everyone chooses where to put their faith for their very own reasons. Everyone. This is the crux of the importance of faith - that your reasoning of the evidence coupled with your innermost desires/hopes/dreams self defines your character and your relationship with GOD."

You really need to abandon this obsession you have with faith, because faith with no evidence makes people justify some of the most horrible things.

Thank you for your advice but GOD tells me to live by faith to please HIM and your warning offers nothing better to me as evil in the name of every kind of love or good is constantly justified by religious and non-religious alike.

Then you said: "And that is what HE did. If it doesn't look to be that way from your understanding of ordinary Christian definitions of reality, it is because you have been misled by those who do not understand some facts that were kept in the background to keep people operating from faith, not proof..."

So god maliciously hid some 'facts' so that we WOULDN'T have PROOF and therefore good reason to believe in him? This is sick. People will believe all sorts of lies. How can we be discerning of ANYTHING if you want us to just 'have faith'. We can make that silly argument for anything.

Yes, I can see how clumsily I wrote my thoughts here, thank you so much for pointing it out. I'm sorry.

I was replying to a statement :
AS for the logic that the love of GOD would compel HIM to set up a world in which the greatest number of people possible got to heaven and avoided hell? with which I agreed.

GOD's love DID compel HIM to set things up ON EARTH weighted in favour of heaven not hell.

The things He kept in the background ON EARTH as a grace to everyone and without malicious intent, is the understanding of our previous existence and our free will decisions in the spirit world pre-earth. This allowed all people to act within their chosen faith with the most benefit to all.

I don't know how you aren't disheartened with a god who is content with the majority of people on Earth going to hell. God is wicked and immoral and false. I think we have out grown the childish belief in god because we think and question it now. Just like this thread post. Why on Earth would god send a baby to hell? Apparently because he's a disgusting, sinful, dirty sinner.

HE's a disgusting, sinful, dirty sinner ONLY if HE sends innocent babies to hell before they can choose but that is not what I and few other Christians believe. I can think of three separate theologies that answer this question and keep the integrity of GOD intact.

My answer is that they are ancient demons in baby bodies. Ignore that as you will but do not claim I think GOD send innocent babies to hell like some here claim.

Neither do I believe that the majority of people on earth go to hell. I believe the vast majority of people who lived on earth were elect but it does not appear to be this way because the non-elect are recycled through many lives while the elect come through but once hiding their numbers within the gerneral (repeating) populace.

[The reincarnation of the non-elect (if it happens) has no bearing upon their spiritual "evolution" like Eastern religions teach nor upon their being non-elect.]

It seems that you keep assuming that I accept ordinary Christian theology but I hate those views as much as you do....I just don't hate GOD because HE has taught me how they are distorted from the truth.

So, you wanted to turn me against GOD because you hate HIM for supposedly sending innocent babies and the vast majority of people on earth to to hell so,

now that you know that I know HE did NOT send innocent babies nor the vast majority of people on earth to hell,

will you change your mind?

Peace, Ted

[ttruscott]

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Im atheist so it doesn't matter either way for me on this subject. I know my answer. I do ask, though, why complaining is a sin? When we start taking away all the things that makes us human then we are no longer human and are robots.

A baby cries because it has no way to fend for itself. A baby has no sense of morality so how can it sin? Sin is defined as a crime against god. In our own law we have recognized the inability for minors to make proper decisions and therefore they are not held accountable in some cases for crimes. If we are able to distinguish such cases why is god not able to?

I start with the assumption that babies are NOT innocent but self chosen sinners by free will in a life in the spirit world before the creation of the earth.

None of the list of sins you are refering to are sins in the eyes of any church I know of and Iplan to speak to that soon.

In the light of their "previous to being born choice to sin," they are treated as minors while growing into maturity on earth but in the eyes of GOD, they are seen in "the truth of their self chosen sinful reality."

I know your question was academic so I won't go on...

Peace, Ted

[otseng]

The first word i am gonna change is asshole into a very kind individual who loves everyone.

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[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 92:

I start with the assumption that babies are NOT innocent but self chosen sinners by free will in a life in the spirit world before the creation of the earth.

Good googly moogly.

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In the light of their "previous to being born choice to sin," they are treated as minors while growing into maturity on earth but in the eyes of GOD, they are seen in "the truth of their self chosen sinful reality."

"Instead of hoppin' out there and asking these children prior to their births what choice they've made, I'm just gon' assume these evil little snot-slurpers have them some punishment due!"

I gotta say, yours is the saddest, and most sickeningly vile theology I do believe I've ever had the displeasure to encounter.

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Peace, Ted