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The slippery slope! Facts and consequences.

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Can Christians stop the death of society that will not embrace sexual restraint and decent morality and willingly embraces anti-Christian laws and pro-lascivious licentiousness and pro-pornography and pro-chaos ends?

Does destruction of society and the rise in selfish individualism always follow when society chooses to hate Christianity?

Why does sexual promiscuity and perversion always fill the void left when Christianty is driven out?

In Rome, children are celebrated and blessed and in Prague they are filmed performing sex acts.

Is this always the secular ends?

Europe in decline:
Is God dead in Europe?
By James P. Gannon

Two snapshots from a recent tourist trip to Europe:

We are in Prague, the lovely and lively capital of the Czech Republic, where the bars and cafes are full, the glitzy crystal and art shops are busy, and the dozens of historic cathedrals and churches are largely empty — except for gawking tourists snapping photos. In The Prague Post, an English-language weekly newspaper, a front-page article reports, in titillating detail, how the city has become Europe's new capital for pornographic filmmaking, while an op-ed examines why only 19% of the people in this once-religious country believe that God exists.

Change the scene to Rome. We are at the Vatican, swimming in a sea of 150,000 people waiting in St. Peter's Square for Pope Benedict XVI to appear at a special celebration for Catholic children who have made their first communion in the past year. Rock bands and kids' choirs entertain the faithful until a roar sweeps through the crowd at the first sighting of the "Popemobile," carrying the waving, white-robed Benedict down barricaded lanes through the throng. The crowd goes wild.

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For an American Catholic visitor, Europe is a puzzling and sometimes discouraging place these days. Is God dead here? Many signs suggest that Europeans think so.

Decline in attendance

"Common wisdom has it that alcoholics outnumber practicing Christians and that more Czechs believe in UFOs than believe in God

— and common wisdom may be correct," wrote Nate and Leah Seppanen Anderson in a Prague Post commentary; he's a freelance writer, and she's a political science professor at Wheaton College in Illinois and a specialist in Czech politics and society. Surveys show a sharp decline in church attendance and religious practice in most European countries. A series of Eurobarometer surveys since 1970 in five key countries (France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and Italy) shows that regular church attendance fell from about 40% of the population to about half that figure. Declines were sharpest in predominantly Catholic nations.

Even so, how do we account for the extraordinary outpouring of grief at Pope John Paul II's death in April and the enthusiasm that his successor seems to evoke? Are these mere public spectacles, signifying nothing about Europe's drift from its religious roots, or are they signs of yearning for something more than peace, prosperity and la dolce vita?

As only an occasional visitor to Europe, I claim no expertise in these matters. But some who do see the emergence of a post-Christian era in Europe that has profound consequences for the continent and perhaps is an ominous portend for the United States. Where Europe has gone, America could be going — and that is a prospect that is frightening Christians and sharpening the religious divide in this country.

Western Europe, the cradle of modern Christianity, has become a "post-Christian society" in which the ruling class and cultural leaders are anti-religious or "Christophobic," writes George Weigel, a Catholic columnist and U.S. biographer of Pope John Paul II. In his new book, The Cube and the Cathedral: Europe, America, and Politics Without God, he argues that religious differences help explain the policy tensions between Europe and the United States.

"It would be too simple to say that the reason Americans and Europeans see the world so differently is that the former go to church on Sundays and the latter don't," Weigel writes. "But it would also be a grave mistake to think that the dramatic differences in religious belief and practice in the United States and Europe don't have something important to do with those different perceptions of the world — and the different policies to which those perceptions eventually lead."

A fierce controversy over any mention of Europe's Christian heritage erupted in 2004 when officials were drafting a constitution for the European Union, Weigel notes.

Any mention of the continent's religious past or contributions of Christian culture — in a preface citing the sources of Europe's distinct civilization — would be exclusionary and offensive to non-Christians, many argued. Former French president Valery Giscard d'Estaing, who presided over the process, summed up the dominant view: "Europeans live in a purely secular political system, where religion does not play an important role."

'Demographic suicide'

Among the consequences of Europe's abandonment of its religious roots and the moral code that derives therefrom is a plunge in its birth rates to below the replacement level. Abortion, birth control, acceptance of gay marriage and casual sex are driving the trend.[/b] Europe is "committing demographic suicide, systematically depopulating itself," according to Weigel.

United Nations population statistics back him up.

Not a single Western European country has a fertility rate sufficient to replace the current population, which demographers say requires 2.1 children per family. Germany, Russia, Spain, Poland and Italy all have rates of about 1.3 children, according to the U.N. The Czech Republic's is less than 1.2, and even Roman Catholic Ireland is at 1.9 children. (The U.S. rate, which has remained stable, is slightly more than 2 children per woman.)

Fifteen countries, "mostly located in Southern and Eastern Europe, have reached levels of fertility unprecedented in human history," according to the U.N.'s World Population Prospects 2004 revision.

As children grow scarce and longevity increases in Europe, the continent is becoming one vast Leisure World. By 2050, the U.N. projects, more than 40% of the people in Italy will be 60 or older. By mid-century, populations in 25 European nations will be lower than they are now; Russia will lose 31 million people, Italy 7.2 million, Poland 6.6 million and Germany 3.9 million. So Europe is abandoning religion, growing older, shrinking and slowly killing itself. These are signs of a society in eclipse — the Roman Empire writ large. Is this any model for America?

In his 2001 book, The Death of the West, conservative commentator Patrick Buchanan argues that a European-style "de-Christianization of America" is the goal of many liberals — and they are succeeding.

Court decisions that have banned school-sponsored prayer, removed many Nativity scenes from public squares, and legalized gay marriage are part of that pattern, as is the legal effort to erase "In God We Trust" from U.S. currency and "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance.

Europe is showing us where this path leads. It is not the right path for America.

James P. Gannon is a retired journalist and author ofA Life in Print: Selections from the Work of a Reporter, Columnist and Editor.

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Some further destruction of falsity:

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Ru-486 eliminates abortions and the need for the immense numbers of unwanted pregnacies to even need reporting. How many promiscuous women report their "morning after" activities?

When teens are abstaining from sex, there's no need for the 'morning-after' pill. And that's what teens in Europe (unlike here) seem to be doing more. Or do you just bury your head in the sand when the facts disagree with you?


I question stats from European socialist propaganda. Something that Europe has a long history of using.
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Huh? Ru-486 and deviant promiscuity take away the pregnancy rate.

The 'morning-after pill' is just as available here as it is in Europe, and the statistics seem to show that women in Europe are using it far less than they are here.


It is not reported because it is like ordering a latte. In America snuffing out human life is not OTC yet.
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They got better beer that's for sure. Morality? That's another thing altogether.

And "greased" for the take over to replace morality with permissive chaos, paid for of course by the morally sound hiding behind closed doors.

I can't wait to see liberals leading us to the end times.
Take that log out of your eye and look around you. Guess what? We are the morally sound. You're talking to an abstinent, law-abiding, honest and liberal youth here, and you refuse to see the truth? You tell the weather by regarding the clouds, and yet you do not realise the meaning of this very hour. How sad.


Men are marrying men MagusYanam and it is not I that cannot see the sign of the times. Ridding a body of an unwanted child is now a pill you swallow after a night of promiscuity.

I see just fine.
And 'better morality' is exactly what the Brits have. Societally, they're in far better shape than we are. As for chaos, it is one thing the U.K. never had in more abundance than we. They remain far more centrist and moderate in their social politics than the violent swings the U.S. tend to take in either direction.
That is your opinion. I choose a free society over one that limits freedoms to something you have to apply for. You cannot even own a pellet gun in Britain without some kind of permit.

We broke free from that society two-hundred-plus years ago for many reasons.

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1John2_26 wrote:I question stats from European socialist propaganda. Something that Europe has a long history of using.
I question the motives of xenophobic, arrogant American exceptionalists with ulterior agenda. Something that America has a long history of producing. That aside, Michael Wolff is neither a European nor a socialist, publishing for Bantam Books out of an office in New York.
1John2_26 wrote:It is not reported because it is like ordering a latte. In America snuffing out human life is not OTC yet.
Still doesn't explain the abstinence stats. Yes, birth control is used in Europe - but mostly in the form of condoms and spermicides, largely because they're cheaper. Proportionally, though, fewer people are using them because fewer people are having sex before they're old enough to do so responsibly.
1John2_26 wrote:I see just fine.

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That is your opinion. I choose a free society over one that limits freedoms to something you have to apply for. You cannot even own a pellet gun in Britain without some kind of permit.

We broke free from that society two-hundred-plus years ago for many reasons.
Seeing 'fine' obviously isn't good enough, now is it, given the tripe you pass on for logic. You complain about Europe being too permissive, and then go on to say it's too restrictive on gun use, just for screening criminals to make sure they don't get their hands on guns, so make up your own damn pea-brain!

Also, given the only reasons the U.S. broke away from Britain were so that they could welsh on a war debt and then go out and slaughter Indians and take their land doesn't make us look so noble, does it? Only when a southern Deist slave-owner puts it in writing.

Again, give me British morality over the U.S.'s any day of the week. A society where violent crime and promiscuity are as low as they are can't be doing things all that badly.

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A little feisty huh? I wish I could agree with you on a few things but it means selling out too much.
1John2_26 wrote:
I question stats from European socialist propaganda. Something that Europe has a long history of using.
I question the motives of xenophobic, arrogant American exceptionalists with ulterior agenda.


What could you possibly mean? The agenda is on the left. So sneakily applied and when the light is shined on the sickness they take it to the appelate courts for license.
Something that America has a long history of producing.
Heroes that die for other people in wars to free them?
That aside, Michael Wolff is neither a European nor a socialist, publishing for Bantam Books out of an office in New York.
60% of 70% of the 81% left of statistics may, possibly, be wrong. Maybe. Polls are just about as useless as it gets.
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It is not reported because it is like ordering a latte. In America snuffing out human life is not OTC yet.
Still doesn't explain the abstinence stats.
Kids staying in schools and getting an education. I'm just guessing. So different than the Democrats' voting base.
Yes, birth control is used in Europe - but mostly in the form of condoms and spermicides, largely because they're cheaper. Proportionally, though, fewer people are using them because fewer people are having sex before they're old enough to do so responsibly.
So they are waiting to get married first? You left out those stats.
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I see just fine.
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That is your opinion. I choose a free society over one that limits freedoms to something you have to apply for. You cannot even own a pellet gun in Britain without some kind of permit.

We broke free from that society two-hundred-plus years ago for many reasons.

Seeing 'fine' obviously isn't good enough, now is it, given the tripe you pass on for logic.
I'm just a skeptic asking questions of leftists. My, how they hate that.
You complain about Europe being too permissive, and then go on to say it's too restrictive on gun use, just for screening criminals to make sure they don't get their hands on guns, so make up your own damn pea-brain!


I have a bright mind and I compared fine people treated like criminals. Something that a leftists no longer can see. They mix the two for wierd reasons.
Also, given the only reasons the U.S. broke away from Britain were so that they could welsh on a war debt and then go out and slaughter Indians and take their land doesn't make us look so noble, does it?
Secular America. My how things have not changed.
Only when a southern Deist slave-owner puts it in writing.
I have accurately described these immoral and worthless people for what they are. We agree here. Secularism they have spawned is killing their precious and stupid experiment of a country.
Again, give me British morality over the U.S.'s any day of the week.
I love C. S. Lewis. Too bad his legacy is being sh-- on by Richard Dawkins and his rapidly evolving decadent monkey-immoralists.
A society where violent crime and promiscuity are as low as they are can't be doing things all that badly.
You're forgetting an incredibly, imperialistic, totalitarian and bloody history. Why? Call someone in Belfast and get an opinion of England. You're also forgetting porn on TV is commonplace. Why?

What's the population of that tiny island nation anyway? Oh, here it is. United Kingdom: 60,441,457.

And, we have? United States: 295,734,134. Now run those stats.

By the way, if it was not for Americans, there would be no Great Britain.

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1John2_26 wrote:Heroes that die for other people in wars to free them?
Rose-tinted glasses. And many, many pairs of them.
1John2_26 wrote:Kids staying in schools and getting an education. I'm just guessing. So different than the Democrats' voting base.
Careful. I am staying in school and getting an education. And I ran a Parry/Kerry ballot. In general, the Democrats' voting base do tend to be better-educated than the Republicans'. What was it a famous social philosopher said once? 'While it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.'
1John2_26 wrote:So they are waiting to get married first? You left out those stats.
Percent of families with only one parent is on the site - check it. The U.S. tops the list at 8.0.
1John2_26 wrote:I'm just a skeptic asking questions of leftists. My, how they hate that.
Two things: a.) being a sceptic is nothing to be proud of and b.) you are not a sceptic. A sceptic by definition would be sure of nothing short of cogito, ergo sum, and sadly, you do not satisfy that definition.
1John2_26 wrote:I have a bright mind and I compared fine people treated like criminals. Something that a leftists no longer can see. They mix the two for wierd reasons.
For someone with a bright mind you certainly aren't using it to effect. What should fine people fear from licensing a gun, like you would license a car? The reason the Brits have gun licenses is so that they can separate and determine the criminals from the honest people - something we should be doing as well. You and your ilk are the ones who want to keep mixing them.
1John2_26 wrote:You're forgetting an incredibly, imperialistic, totalitarian and bloody history. Why? Call someone in Belfast and get an opinion of England.
A history not so different from our own that they managed to learn from, thanks to a well-educated populace. The imperialistic thing is lost on most of this country, it seems, given what the conservatives are aiming for this country to become.

And when it comes to Belfast, most people there adore the United Kingdom enough to want to join it. Why do you think the Unionists are the prevalent party there?
1John2_26 wrote:You're also forgetting porn on TV is commonplace. Why?
Um, no, MTV isn't that popular in Britain. I've seen the BBC and porn is definitely not commonplace. I'm afraid you're swinging in the dark here.
1John2_26 wrote:What's the population of that tiny island nation anyway? Oh, here it is. United Kingdom: 60,441,457.

And, we have? United States: 295,734,134. Now run those stats.
Fine. What do they show?
1John2_26 wrote:By the way, if it was not for Americans, there would be no Great Britain.
Yeah: American liberals like FDR. And the Britons did hold out on their own well into the Second World War; they needed us to go on the offensive and finish Hitler off. Read your history, man.

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Oh MagusYanam, so Michael Moore . . .
1John2_26 wrote:
Heroes that die for other people in wars to free them?

Rose-tinted glasses. And many, many pairs of them.


The typical denigration of our history from the leftist American.
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Kids staying in schools and getting an education. I'm just guessing. So different than the Democrats' voting base.
Careful. I am staying in school and getting an education.
And a typical liberal viewpoint. Lemmings are hardly leaders to follow. As soon as you list your head above the crowd you see the cliff ahead.
And I ran a Parry/Kerry ballot.
Ya don't say.
In general, the Democrats' voting base do tend to be better-educated than the Republicans'.


That would be an opinion shared by whom? Jesse Jackson or Diane Feinstein?
What was it a famous social philosopher said once? 'While it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.'


Spoken from a cushy classroom at Harvard or Yale? Certainly not from any inner city street corner or a MTV wet T-shirt contest. The "Real World."
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So they are waiting to get married first? You left out those stats.

Percent of families with only one parent is on the site - check it. The U.S. tops the list at 8.0.


And if they could get out of their subsidized houses (apartments) they would vote democrat.
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I'm just a skeptic asking questions of leftists. My, how they hate that.

Two things: a.) being a sceptic is nothing to be proud of and b.) you are not a sceptic.
I am skeptical of all things leftist. I am a skeptic.
A sceptic by definition would be sure of nothing short of cogito, ergo sum, and sadly, you do not satisfy that definition.


Once you start thinking outside of the Marxist box, you become enlightened and conservative. Leaving your booty-calls and dope smoking friend's behind to live in their University towns.
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I have a bright mind and I compared fine people treated like criminals. Something that a leftists no longer can see. They mix the two for wierd reasons.

For someone with a bright mind you certainly aren't using it to effect.
Following the free lunch slavery of leftists politics closes the human mind and the human spirit. I see this every day in the real real world.
What should fine people fear from licensing a gun, like you would license a car? The reason the Brits have gun licenses is so that they can separate and determine the criminals from the honest people - something we should be doing as well.
I couldn't care less about guns but the British liberals have taken over and like the liars they are have virtually eliminated gun ownership. You cannot trust a socialist. They are liars. Once in power the are like cancer.
You and your ilk are the ones who want to keep mixing them.
Honest people with freedoms? Guilty as charged.
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You're forgetting an incredibly, imperialistic, totalitarian and bloody history. Why? Call someone in Belfast and get an opinion of England.
A history not so different from our own that they managed to learn from, thanks to a well-educated populace.
Germany and Japan were not left by America the way the Russians would have left them. Those fine Soviet Socialists. Like I said, liars.
The imperialistic thing is lost on most of this country, it seems, given what the conservatives are aiming for this country to become.


I'm truly not as conservative as you think. But I will not sellout my God for a Democrat. I will not give away my country for a leftist.
And when it comes to Belfast, most people there adore the United Kingdom enough to want to join it. Why do you think the Unionists are the prevalent party there?


Taxes. They want to be taken care of. I, do not want to be a socialist. Give me liberty or give me a wide path when you see me coming.
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You're also forgetting porn on TV is commonplace. Why?

Um, no, MTV isn't that popular in Britain. I've seen the BBC and porn is definitely not commonplace. I'm afraid you're swinging in the dark here.
I went out with a Brit (a woman, I'm a man) for years and know all about the BBC. My best friend is a Brit from Newcastle. He moved to America for a reason. And he has a Masters in science education.
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What's the population of that tiny island nation anyway? Oh, here it is. United Kingdom: 60,441,457.

And, we have? United States: 295,734,134. Now run those stats.

Fine. What do they show?


Stats are worthless.
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By the way, if it was not for Americans, there would be no Great Britain.
Yeah: American liberals like FDR. And the Britons did hold out on their own well into the Second World War; they needed us to go on the offensive and finish Hitler off. Read your history, man.
I have British friends. They have parents that lived through WWII. I speak to their history. What saved Britain was the sea between them and Germany and we supplied them most of the weapons to fight the Germans.

I would like to find common ground with a perspective like yours, but it seems that I have to sellout so much to do it.

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1John2_26 wrote:The typical denigration of our history from the leftist American.
Your best friends history majors or BA's? Didn't think so. You visit the reservations out West to learn about the way the First Nations see history? Didn't think so. I know too much about history to have to denigrate it.
1John2_26 wrote:That would be an opinion shared by whom?
David Horowitz. And he's a conservative agitator. Why do you think most colleges tend to be liberal? It's because young conservatives are either too cowardly or too greedy to want to go into education.
1John2_26 wrote:Spoken from a cushy classroom at Harvard or Yale? Certainly not from any inner city street corner or a MTV wet T-shirt contest. The "Real World."
You think MTV is representative of the 'real world' in preference to the Kalamazoo College campus? Man, I definitely overestimated your intelligence.

There's a reason I don't watch MTV, you know.
1John2_26 wrote:And if they could get out of their subsidized houses (apartments) they would vote democrat.
When you can't win the argument, mislead it, eh? I must grudgingly admire the impertinence of this. But getting back to the issue at hand, it seems the point is made that Europe does seem to be doing better in this light (that is, bringing kids up in a household with both a mother and a father).
1John2_26 wrote:I am skeptical of all things leftist. I am a skeptic.
This is my area of expertise. If you were truly a sceptic, you would not believe anything except your own capacity for doubt - that's the definition. But you are doing a good job of being in denial, that I'll grant you.
1John2_26 wrote:Once you start thinking outside of the Marxist box, you become enlightened and conservative.
The two are mutually exclusive, and it's not as though the world is divided between 'conservative' and 'Marxist'. Only a simpleton would see it thus.
1John2_26 wrote:Leaving your booty-calls and dope smoking friend's behind to live in their University towns.
How bigoted can you get? From what I can tell, University towns tend to be some of the cleanest places - I've never seen or encountered any drugs worse than cigarets and beer on campus.
1John2_26 wrote:Following the free lunch slavery of leftists politics closes the human mind and the human spirit. I see this every day in the real real world.
On MTV or on FOX? Don't make me laugh.
1John2_26 wrote:Honest people with freedoms? Guilty as charged.
You want to make it easy for meth-addicted Red-state ex-cons to go out and get AK-47's for their own personal amusement, whatever that turns out to be. Britain is more civilised than that, and I think they should hold it as a badge of honour.
1John2_26 wrote:Germany and Japan were not left by America the way the Russians would have left them. Those fine Soviet Socialists. Like I said, liars.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Russia wasn't at issue here; Britain was. You lost the argument again, so you're diverting attention from it. A nice tactic, if you don't get called to task for it.

Let's display some integrity, what say?
1John2_26 wrote:But I will not sellout my God for a Democrat. I will not give away my country for a leftist.
If it were up to me, I wouldn't either. But it's better than the alternative.
1John2_26 wrote:Give me liberty or give me a wide path when you see me coming.
That leads to destruction? How ironic.
1John2_26 wrote:I went out with a Brit (a woman, I'm a man) for years and know all about the BBC. My best friend is a Brit from Newcastle. He moved to America for a reason. And he has a Masters in science education.

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I have British friends. They have parents that lived through WWII. What saved Britain was the sea between them and Germany and we supplied them most of the weapons to fight the Germans.
And I actually get my news from the BBC, and see no porn. What does this say? Just because you have a few friends from Britain doesn't give you the right to condemn them - that's bigotry. It's like the racist who starts off, 'I can't be racist, I've got black friends!'

And what saved Britain from Germany was the RAF in the Battle of Britain and the codes that British intelligence gathered during the war that kept it all from going to hell (that is, back when British intelligence could be relied upon). It is true that FDR's Administration did eventually start sending weapons and supplies, but some good old-fashioned British innovation was still needed to get the equipment to the people on the ground. Who do you think manufactured the Sten, by the way? And because they had only a limited number of Thompsons from where from which to work?
1John2_26 wrote:Stats are worthless.
On their own, yes. But there was a little invention called context a while back that tends to come in handy when dealing with statistics.

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The evolution of evolution (secular-liberalism) BBC style:

Net blamed for rise in child porn

Child porn crimes have risen by 1,500% since 1988 and new internet mobile phones could make things even worse, according to a children's charity.

The internet is largely to blame for the huge rise in child porn offences, according to a report by NCH, formerly National Children's Homes.

The charity says 549 child porn offenders were charged or cautioned in 2001, compared with only 35 in 1988.

The charity fears new third generation 3G phones, with video streaming, will lead to even more offences because they are in some ways even more anonymous.

John Carr, the author of the report, told BBC Radio Five Live: "In pre-internet days, if you wanted to get hold of child abuse images it was quite a difficult thing to do...

SOARING CHILD PORN OFFENCES
1988: 35 cautioned or charged
2001: 549 cautioned or charged (1,500% increase)
Since 1988, 3,022 people in total cautioned or prosecuted
In 2002, in a single day 6,500 Britons were identified as purchasers of child porn from a single US web site
Source: NCH

"The internet completely changed all that. People perhaps with a suppressed or latent interest in it have now got a mechanism... they think the internet is anonymous."

He said offences committed through chat rooms had also been rising "steeply".

But Ray Wyre, a sexual crime consultant who has treated offenders, said the problem may have been worse in the past than society had realised.

"Before 1988 child pornography, the possession of it, was not an offence," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.

"Up until then I had clients who had even been given back the child pornography after they'd hands-on abused because there was no power to keep it."

'Abuser by proxy'

Both experts agreed anyone who looked at child porn had to be considered at least a potential "hands-on" paedophile.

"A paedophile is somebody who sexually abuses children," said Mr Carr.

"Anybody who looks at child pornography on the internet is an abuser by proxy.

"And over one in three people found in possession of child pornography, according to a very large American survey, will in fact be involved in hands-on abuse."

HAVE YOUR SAY
Kids and parents need to be both streetwise as well as internet wise.
Andy H, London, UK


On how to control the problem, Mr Carr said censorship would be undesirable and, anyway, technically impossible to implement.

He called on the industry to do more to make the internet safer for children.

He said: "We do need more and better technical solutions, and this is really throwing a challenge down to the industry.

"If we cannot convince the majority of the public that the internet is a safe place for children... in the end the internet as we know it today will cease to exist, and that will be a sad day."

It's technically possible [to track paedophile activities on the net], the only thing there's a shortage of is the actual resources being made available to the police
Dr Rachel O'Connell

Situation 'worse'

The figures for 2002, when they come out, are expected to be much higher even than 2001, because of the impact of Operation Ore, an investigation into 6,500 Britons accused of accessing one US-based child porn site using credit cards.

Dr Rachel O'Connell, director of the Cyberspace Research Centre at the University of Central Lancashire, said that operation had in some ways made the situation worse by taking up so much of police's computer crime units time.


"Most of their resources, if not all, are taken up investigating the cases that were identified in Operation Ore," she told BBC Breakfast.

"It's technically possible [to track paedophile activities on the net], the only thing there's a shortage of is the actual resources being made available to the police."

Hutchison 3G is the only company to have launched the new video phones so far.

It and the other big five mobile phone firms - Vodafone, Virgin, T Mobile, Orange and O2 - are publishing their own code of practice later this month on tackling potential problems.

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Published: 2004/01/12 13:47:32 GMT

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So the BBC just gave you another reason you should stay off the internet 1John2_26.
I must say a correlation is not cause.

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So the BBC just gave you another reason you should stay off the internet 1John2_26.

I must say a correlation is not cause.
Please provide substance to your post. The advice about staying off the internet may be good advice, but you seem to be denying reality. I have no desire to poison young people. I just point to places and people out to harm them.

The slippery slope is yet again proven as a fact.

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Fron daddy's playboy read at five years of age we have a porno addcited rapper posing as Christ.

Blasphemy and insults to, of course, the Christians. The sure fire way to get rich or richer.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/people_kanye ... NlYwN0bWE-
West Poses As Jesus for Rolling Stone

Kanye West, with a crown of thorns atop his head, poses as Jesus Christ on the cover of the upcoming issue of Rolling Stone.

The outspoken rapper defends his brash attitude inside the magazine's pages, on newsstands Friday. He is also pictured posing as Muhammad Ali.

"In America, they want you to accomplish these great feats, to pull off these David Copperfield-type stunts," he says. "You want me to be great, but you don't ever want me to say I'm great?"

West also says his hit song "Gold Digger" was the best song last year and that it should have been nominated for the Grammy's best rap song category: "That's a gimme Grammy."

Nevertheless, the 27-year-old is nominated for eight awards, including album of the year for his sophomore album, "Late Registration." The Grammys will be presented Feb. 8.

West has always been forthright in saying what he feels, most famously when he said "George Bush doesn't care about black people" during a telethon for Hurricane Katrina victims.

"If I was more complacent and I let things slide, my life would be easier, but you all wouldn't be as entertained," he says. "My misery is your pleasure."

The strangest tangent of the Rolling Stone story, however, is when West says he's addicted to pornography. He remembers first seeing his father's Playboy magazine when he was 5 years old.

"Right then," West says, laughing, "it was like, `Houston, we have a problem.'"

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