The evidence of Concioussness existing without a brain

[TheTruth101]

The debtate took place as to a human mind holding a conciousness seperate from the brain. Because this would eventually mean, our conciousness derives from within just as much as the Brain. And ultimately, this would meet the prophecy of the Bible stating "Your body is your temple" and also, of the "Holy Spirit.
And conclusively, this would mean all logic of Atheists would go out the door, simply because they belive no brain means no conciousness, therefore no eternity.

This link was brought on by an opposition as to the debate. (little did they know, it actually helped support my position).
http://io9.com/5862418/10-bodily-functi ... fter-death


Now, the truth. Copy and pasted, please read on.

This is an article explaining what happens to the human body after death in scientific terms. As in, digestion and etc.

The point of the post is of the mind. I did relate the physical act of body as a premesis for the individuality of the mind between the brain and the body. However, this does not explain the situation of a mind being available within the body on its own merit. This rather addresses again, the scientific notions as to what happens physically within a body after it is left braindead.

The reason of this thread was to bring about the idea that body and the head can survive on its own without one supporting another. And infact that has been proved under your given evidence, however, the more important issues here are, the splitting of the mind existing under its own merit.

Wiith this said, i have given you a link of the wiki stating such happening, and this can bring about another question of the mind.

Can the body able to functio and be concious without the brain.

And this question also have been answered through the wiki link I have posted, the answer simply is what it is.

The adrnaline consists of fight and flight response, it is the core of the structure of how adrenaline comes about, and because of it, figght and flight response is related heavily with emotion resulting to fear.

If an emotion is brought about, fear in this case, also calls for euphoria or joy. If a human body can think on its own merit without the given brain, the logic of physics can infact be dismissed here.

As noted by your source, the cells of the body are infact working under its own conditions, and that would ultimately call for structured behavior on its own.

Without the cells of our body which make up for our body, including the thoughts of our brain and such, it is also recognized and should be noted here that cells OF THE BODY is under conciousness as well.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~regfjxe/awnew.htm

What neuroscience has established is that each brain cell functions as a separate receiving unit. There are a variety of routes for passing information from cell to cell, including direct channels between cell interiors in some cases

If information is sent and recieved, then its rather a clear indication that conscioussness is at works.

Then with this in mind, we would need to rely ion if cells can live without a body, and the answer is ofcourse yes. This would mean conciousness outside our body. As in, beggining of eternity.

For the ignorant Atheists, here is the deal under raw terms. Cells within our body with our given conciousness expands infinitely (A flu is an example), so if a single a single cell remembers all patterns of life (thus every cell has a DNA) then its established here under "sicentific notions" that there is infact eternity.

Everything stated here can be explained scientifically under the teachings of Buddah so far. (mid level)

Christs teachings of eternity is par above buddahs and will be explained later.


Will post later.

[dusk]

If information is sent and recieved, then its rather a clear indication that conscioussness is at works.

You have a weird definition of consciousness. By that definition every computer chip would be conscious. Hell every transistor. Even every atom that passes from one state into another.

Consciousness requires self awareness. Being self reflective. It is a certain form of information processing which looses its state of "consciousness" if the flow stops. Without a body that processing pattern would require some other world where it continues to happen even though it stops here.
Emotion doesn't make something conscious. You can numb yourself with drugs localized or not and will not feel a thing but your bodily function will work the same. Emotions are something you can be conscious of.

[TheTruth101]

A single cell has the capability to recieve and give information to another cell.
In meaning, it has the capability to adapt. If a single cell is able to comprehend information, then it is also understood here that the single cell that does comprehend the information is then able to store the infinite information and can be adapted, and eventually will be able to have the complex information stored in which, the cell iteslf becomes the complex cell itself.

The complex cell itself then moves onto another reaction and then the reacted cell gets binded, in turn, the cell and part of the dna that we have gets transmitted to another human being, and in turn, the human being gets aware of the other human being the cell has mingled with, and we call it having affection toward another.

If and so, the cell gets divided and intermingled with another infnitely, then it is also noted that the cell that have carried on from the past, have a structured dna code from the beggining of time. In meaning, the cell of Christ have been intermingled with all human beings from his days, and Christ himself have been intermingled with Adam from the beggnining of the days.

Now, to support my position as to how cell and its infinite intermingle can support eternity,

If the given cell which had the dna patterns of God from birth, then it is also noted that there is a God within all of us, and if the God that we speak are invisible, then its also credible that since the cells are insivible as well, however live on, can be conlcuded of Gods existence.
Microorganisms live in the air and in the wind and such, however we cannot see them anyway.


If the cell itself can create a concious awareness, as in, capable of being BORN NEW and having DEATH (in which they are), then it is also credible to belive that a single cell is structured to behave and have a conciousness on its own. In meaning, if the cell predicts or imitates a fully formed human beings point of life and death, then there is no reason why a cell cannot have a concioussness on its own. It's the CELLS that drive human beings do live and die in the FIRST PLACE.

If infact the cell can feel the emotion of pain and pleasure (in which it does), then this speaks for itself as a cell having a concioussness on its own, again.

So the question begins here, can the cells expand to be infinite and everlasting on its own as a single cell?

The answer is YES, and that all of us know it is single cell organisms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microorganism


So, if and so, the single cell never died and always carried a trait or a DNA patterns from person to person from beggining of time, then thiscan equally mean that there is another YOU in all of us and that itself is what Christ preached of "Oneness".

If the single cell from the beggining have recognized patterns from the beggining of time, as in stored information from beggining of OUR time, then it is credible to reason that the cell itself have stored all the information from the beggining of time and have recognized it.

The only reason why we cannot see the beggining of time is because it has not been authorized yet by God itself, the creator of our cells.
If the information gets repeadedly sent back and forth through reactions of cells, then THAT itself again is a given that the information can infact be memorized.

So it is proven here,

1. Cells do live in air and can live eternally.
2. Cells is what makes who we are.
3. All Cells have a recognized dna pattern with eachother

The big question here is, can a single cell from our first life be carried on with information of our first life.

The answer is Yes, simply because cells all carry a DNA trait of who we are and the cell never dies. We call it soul.

Now, if one were to conclude and see cells as everywhere (as evident by explanation above) and it does have a conciousness ( again, above) and conclude the cell as a whole as being God,

Then we establish Omnipresence.

Just like what the Bible said, but mind you, back when bible was written we had had no clue that a cell existed, but now we know the evident factors throgh scientific research, and its the same concept.

Will post later.

[TheTruth101]

If information is sent and recieved, then its rather a clear indication that conscioussness is at works.

You have a weird definition of consciousness. By that definition every computer chip would be conscious. Hell every transistor. Even every atom that passes from one state into another.

Consciousness requires self awareness. Being self reflective. It is a certain form of information processing which looses its state of "consciousness" if the flow stops. Without a body that processing pattern would require some other world where it continues to happen even though it stops here.
Emotion doesn't make something conscious. You can numb yourself with drugs localized or not and will not feel a thing but your bodily function will work the same. Emotions are something you can be conscious of.

Yes, numbness is an emotion because numbness go hand in hand with depression.

[Star]

Lol why can't we just use the word soul to animate your ideas, its like a billion times shorter than consciousness... its like what you wanted to talk about anyways, and consciousness is also hard to spell (im bad at spelling)

Because 1) soul and consciousness aren't synonymous, and 2) "soul" is only three-times shorter.

Anyways, you didn't define what the state of being conscious is so I'm not sure that cells are conscious. I define conscious to be both aware of your surroundings and aware of yourself, and alive to be able to be aware and able to affect your surroundings.

Cells don't do it alone, but collectively, they can, and do. The billions of cells in your brain are doing it right now. I believe mammals and birds can be conscious and self-aware to varying degrees as well, although they have nothing on us.

Dolphins, porpoises, parrots, chimps, gorillas, dogs, cats, pigs...

[TheTruth101]

Cells don't do it alone, but collectively, they can, and do. The billions of cells in your brain are doing it right now. I believe mammals and birds can be conscious and self-aware to varying degrees as well, although they have nothing on us.

And thus that is why in Genesis it is said "They became like one of us" after Adam ate the forbidden fruit.

The Trinity is really three cells intermingled from beggining of our time.

Just so that Atheists here dont get confused. The point here is everything that the current era science have discovered it was said BACK in the biblical days with not much knowledge of science. In meaning, Word was spoken from God to his apostles of how God creaed the world and now science is finding the scientific evidence for it through their research.

All has been said through the Bible from the beggining.

God exists and Jesus lives,

[Star]

^ No, everything you post is either verifiably wrong or incoherent drivel.

[playhavock]

No. This is evidance of the bodys functions performing after the brain stops - no news here. Clearly your understanding of biolgiy is lacking. Let me give you a simple quiz to see if you understand anything of bioligy - if you find a male on his back who is unresponcive and he happens to have a noticible erricaton what does that indacate the possible injury is? This is a real question that I had to answer in emergincy medical training. I think I know more about the body and how it works then you do, so my conclusion is that you are making auguments of ignrance (again) and that really no longer suprises me.

If you answer my question without looking it up you prove you know something about biolgiy, I suspect you will look it up, I really would hope you look up basic biolgiy before posting more nonsence, but I fear you will not.

[TheTruth101]

No. This is evidance of the bodys functions performing after the brain stops - no news here. Clearly your understanding of biolgiy is lacking. Let me give you a simple quiz to see if you understand anything of bioligy - if you find a male on his back who is unresponcive and he happens to have a noticible erricaton what does that indacate the possible injury is? This is a real question that I had to answer in emergincy medical training. I think I know more about the body and how it works then you do, so my conclusion is that you are making auguments of ignrance (again) and that really no longer suprises me.

If you answer my question without looking it up you prove you know something about biolgiy, I suspect you will look it up, I really would hope you look up basic biolgiy before posting more nonsence, but I fear you will not.

The raw word for conciousness is not conpletely focused on "emotions" but of memory with an added hint of self thought.

If a cell transfers information in a structured pattern than it is a fact that memory and self thought gets into playm and that itself we can define it as conciousness under its own merit.

[TheTruth101]

When a cell self remenbers and self provokes (thoughts and behavior etc), , then one can immediately know that conciousness can be defined as to only involving memory and thoughts. (with a minimal hint of emotions being involved)

If its the brain that give us emotions, then it is clearly evident here that the very brain that gives us pain or pleasure, after decompistin of the brain or left brain dead, then we will not feel any emotions after the first death of flesh.
So if in this case, the brain is what gives us emotions then it goes in circular reasoning that the very brain is controlled by the very cells to begin with.

So, it is stated here that cells have the capability to feel emotions and provoke self thoughts as well as remembrance.

If and then the very cells are actually embedded from our dna to recognize such reactions of another cell, then it can infact be made work that such acts as meditation or prayer gets recognized by the same cells that memorizes such acts, and in the end, it is the very same cells that work repeadedly over and over and establishes itself as a "spiritual cell" (lets just say) and the very cell itself intermixes with a cell that accepts and recognizing the patterns of such spiritual cells.

Will post later.

[TheTruth101]

If and so a Human being that is born WITHOUT the ability to feel pain, and the cells that recgnizes such patterns as to avoiding pain, that it can also be reversed that all human beings can BE MADE to have those certain DNA patterns that establishes NO PAIN.

We call it Congenital insensivity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital ... ty_to_pain

If even a single person is exposed to having the DNA or cell factors of not recognizing pain, and that human being is considered a human by all means, then it can also be noted here that EVERY HUMAN being can have those genes if and when called for by the controller of those very genes, we call it God.

So, the part where Bible speaks of "no more pain" under revelations is manifested here in our current era.

The question is, "everlasting body". If a body can be made NEW at all times even if a one is burned lets just say, then SINCE the feeling or emotion of "pain" can be dissmissed by the people with Congential insensivity, we should look for an evident case where a body has survied from beggining of time.

Will post later.