The evidence of Concioussness existing without a brain

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The evidence of Concioussness existing without a brain

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The debtate took place as to a human mind holding a conciousness seperate from the brain. Because this would eventually mean, our conciousness derives from within just as much as the Brain. And ultimately, this would meet the prophecy of the Bible stating "Your body is your temple" and also, of the "Holy Spirit.
And conclusively, this would mean all logic of Atheists would go out the door, simply because they belive no brain means no conciousness, therefore no eternity.

This link was brought on by an opposition as to the debate. (little did they know, it actually helped support my position).
http://io9.com/5862418/10-bodily-functi ... fter-death


Now, the truth. Copy and pasted, please read on.

This is an article explaining what happens to the human body after death in scientific terms. As in, digestion and etc.

The point of the post is of the mind. I did relate the physical act of body as a premesis for the individuality of the mind between the brain and the body. However, this does not explain the situation of a mind being available within the body on its own merit. This rather addresses again, the scientific notions as to what happens physically within a body after it is left braindead.

The reason of this thread was to bring about the idea that body and the head can survive on its own without one supporting another. And infact that has been proved under your given evidence, however, the more important issues here are, the splitting of the mind existing under its own merit.

Wiith this said, i have given you a link of the wiki stating such happening, and this can bring about another question of the mind.

Can the body able to functio and be concious without the brain.

And this question also have been answered through the wiki link I have posted, the answer simply is what it is.

The adrnaline consists of fight and flight response, it is the core of the structure of how adrenaline comes about, and because of it, figght and flight response is related heavily with emotion resulting to fear.

If an emotion is brought about, fear in this case, also calls for euphoria or joy. If a human body can think on its own merit without the given brain, the logic of physics can infact be dismissed here.

As noted by your source, the cells of the body are infact working under its own conditions, and that would ultimately call for structured behavior on its own.

Without the cells of our body which make up for our body, including the thoughts of our brain and such, it is also recognized and should be noted here that cells OF THE BODY is under conciousness as well.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~regfjxe/awnew.htm
What neuroscience has established is that each brain cell functions as a separate receiving unit. There are a variety of routes for passing information from cell to cell, including direct channels between cell interiors in some cases

If information is sent and recieved, then its rather a clear indication that conscioussness is at works.


Then with this in mind, we would need to rely ion if cells can live without a body, and the answer is ofcourse yes. This would mean conciousness outside our body. As in, beggining of eternity.

For the ignorant Atheists, here is the deal under raw terms. Cells within our body with our given conciousness expands infinitely (A flu is an example), so if a single a single cell remembers all patterns of life (thus every cell has a DNA) then its established here under "sicentific notions" that there is infact eternity.

Everything stated here can be explained scientifically under the teachings of Buddah so far. (mid level)

Christs teachings of eternity is par above buddahs and will be explained later.


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TheTruth101 wrote: OP states directly as to the core of the thread being about "cells".
Refer to majority of the posts as well. (It's in talks of cells)
Actually if a literate person were to read the OP, they would conclude correctly that the debate is all about consciousness with or without a brain. However, that would require some basic English literacy to sort out.

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SailingCyclops wrote:
TheTruth101 wrote: OP states directly as to the core of the thread being about "cells".
Refer to majority of the posts as well. (It's in talks of cells)
Actually if a literate person were to read the OP, they would conclude correctly that the debate is all about consciousness with or without a brain. However, that would require some basic English literacy to sort out.

My position on the debate as to concioussness being found without the brain is founded through explanation of "cells" and how they function.

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TheTruth101 wrote: My position on the debate as to concioussness being found without the brain is founded through explanation of "cells" and how they function.
I find it very difficult to believe that you have even the slightest clue about how cells function, or what cells even are for that matter. Your incessant word salad in this and other threads is ample proof of that.

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If one were to conclude that cells is what defines all patterns of recognisable human behavior, then it is also reasoble to belive that all cells have a concious on its own. A cell is a reaction of a patterened behavior, and through that very reaction, is what defines all our thoughts, memories,behaviors, emotions etc.

If and when a single cell can live throgh a human life, an animal life, and a plant life, its is concluded here that all can be summed up into a form of unity. All cells of all things that has life consist of cells. However, the air do not have any cells, but it gives us life and an environment.

As Christ said,
Jesus said, "Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you
Knowing that the air is all around us, including being right in front of our face, however, we cannot see a single life form within the air even with a microscope, however, its what gives us life.

An example would be oxygen. Though we cannot detect any life form with thats involved with oxygen, its what enables us to breathe and also give our cells the pattern to function. In all, its what gives us life.

On a pirior post, we were discussing the topic of "souls" being within animals.
Although it may seem strange or odd that a human mind can belive in the afterlife of an "animal",(Christ/Buddah) it also becomes rather an undeniable fact that if one considers the deeper aspects of what is needed to have a "soul", then all can be understood logically.

A definition of "soul" is something that is hidden but is alive. This definition is given in the terms of the visible world, so its can be said here that we as "ones with a visible flesh" has given a definition to a nothigness (visibly) but in which, also has conciousness.

If one were to visualise an oxygen as a single object (x), and know that its there, however cannot be seen, HOWEVER, has a conciousness as to keep its pace at a steady level for us to breathe without dying from the beggnining of human kind, then it can also be considered that the very oxygen have be pre-patterened/programmed from the beggning by an unknown force (God) to behave a certain way.

The wind and the air are the only things that we cannot see that do not have a visible object that is alive and kicking. However, the outcome is just the same as that of a visible object, it lives and breathes, to note critically, oxygen is what makes us breathe in the first place.

In order to grasp the concept here, again, imagine the oxygen as a simple obstacle (x), and know that it behaves, is able to speak (when a wind or air is blown at full force you hear the air gushing), then it is reasonable to belive that it can hear as well.

An example of a wind or air "hearing" a human mind of can be seen through this thread.
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... hp?t=22202
The demonstrator (QI Master) directs his energy and controlls the air flow to a certain angle to lit the paper with fire.
Since air control have been demonstrated throgh his Chi, it is again reasonable to assume that the air has heard his "wishes".

The video and other sources that a member " Angel" has put up has a science peer review journal that has confirmed such phenomenon to be held true.


In all, this makes you think, is nature all under unity from the beggining?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen

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SailingCyclops wrote:
TheTruth101 wrote: My position on the debate as to concioussness being found without the brain is founded through explanation of "cells" and how they function.
I find it very difficult to believe that you have even the slightest clue about how cells function, or what cells even are for that matter. Your incessant word salad in this and other threads is ample proof of that.

Not important. Moving on.
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TheTruth101 wrote:
SailingCyclops wrote:
TheTruth101 wrote: My position on the debate as to concioussness being found without the brain is founded through explanation of "cells" and how they function.
I find it very difficult to believe that you have even the slightest clue about how cells function, or what cells even are for that matter. Your incessant word salad in this and other threads is ample proof of that.

Not important. Moving on.
So you agree that you know nothing about what cells are and how they function and yet you are basing your debate on cells? Don't you think that totally disqualifies whatever point you are attempting to make? How is your ignorance about the very thing you are using as evidence not be important? I am baffled.

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SailingCyclops wrote:
TheTruth101 wrote:
SailingCyclops wrote:
TheTruth101 wrote: My position on the debate as to concioussness being found without the brain is founded through explanation of "cells" and how they function.
I find it very difficult to believe that you have even the slightest clue about how cells function, or what cells even are for that matter. Your incessant word salad in this and other threads is ample proof of that.

Not important. Moving on.
So you agree that you know nothing about what cells are and how they function and yet you are basing your debate on cells? Don't you think that totally disqualifies whatever point you are attempting to make? How is your ignorance about the very thing you are using as evidence not be important? I am baffled.


Whats baffling is that it has 900 views in 4 days with 10 negative responses and all come from 3 Atheists who have lost to me another debate sometime on this forum. (including you) :lol:

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Closing the thread.

Although the opening post is perhaps not as clearly stated as it could be, those who feel the thread is not intelligible or that the opening poster is not making sense should either make those points in a civil manner, or simply ignore the thread. There is no need to get into people's education or your perception of their level of ignorance.
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