Personal attacks

[Iam]

Some of the religious on here can and do profess disgusting opinions regarding any and all who will not play by their particular gods rules. 1213 has in another thread declared that RAPE is a valid method of obtaining a wife and indeed children by forcing the victim to marry the rapist, because his god thinks it is the right thing to do, according to his book. If this type of pronouncement is not a personal attack on every FEMALE who has ever lived then ban me for calling 1213 a low life cretin.
For debate:
Should anyone be permitted to declare such obscenities on this forum with impunity, ie no possibility of a counter from DECENT human beings?
It would seem from many threads that the mods allow such behaviour.

[AdHoc]

Some of the religious on here can and do profess disgusting opinions regarding any and all who will not play by their particular gods rules. 1213 has in another thread declared that RAPE is a valid method of obtaining a wife and indeed children by forcing the victim to marry the rapist, because his god thinks it is the right thing to do, according to his book.

I don't believe that 1213 would say that.

If this type of pronouncement is not a personal attack on every FEMALE who has ever lived then ban me for calling 1213 a low life cretin.

That would not be a personal attack, you might call it a general attack. This OP actually represents a personal attack on 1213. I suggest you supply the quote from 1213 and attack the quote and not the person who posted it.

For debate:
Should anyone be permitted to declare such obscenities on this forum with impunity, ie no possibility of a counter from DECENT human beings?
It would seem from many threads that the mods allow such behaviour.

If someone says something that is offensive then I believe it is your place to say something rationally and calmly to hopefully change their mind on that matter, if not hopefully they will at least refrain from saying offensive things and if not then ignore them.

[Iam]

Some of the religious on here can and do profess disgusting opinions regarding any and all who will not play by their particular gods rules. 1213 has in another thread declared that RAPE is a valid method of obtaining a wife and indeed children by forcing the victim to marry the rapist, because his god thinks it is the right thing to do, according to his book.

I don't believe that 1213 would say that.

If this type of pronouncement is not a personal attack on every FEMALE who has ever lived then ban me for calling 1213 a low life cretin.

That would not be a personal attack, you might call it a general attack. This OP actually represents a personal attack on 1213. I suggest you supply the quote from 1213 and attack the quote and not the person who posted it.

For debate:
Should anyone be permitted to declare such obscenities on this forum with impunity, ie no possibility of a counter from DECENT human beings?
It would seem from many threads that the mods allow such behaviour.

If someone says something that is offensive then I believe it is your place to say something rationally and calmly to hopefully change their mind on that matter, if not hopefully they will at least refrain from saying offensive things and if not then ignore them.

PERHAPS YOU WOULD LIKE TO WADE THROUGH THIS SEWER?

All that Bible tells seems to be correct, especially that what it says about right and wrong and righteousness. In my opinion it tells truth about people and I appreciate that. But I think you should understand, Bible is mainly about spiritual things.

So when in the Bible God asks Israel to commit Genocide, that seems right? What about Numbers 31, where God tells kill all the Midianites, including the male children and the non-virgin women, but to take the virgin women for themselves? That seems right? What about when God in the Bible declared the death penalty for gathering sticks, and the death penalty for a pledged women who didn't yell loud enough while being rape? Under the law of Moses an unmarried women that was raped was to marry the rapist. Does that seem right? What about the fact that Lord give the children of Israel rules for owning slaves? Do you think slavery is ever okay? What about Romans 9:13-22 where it talks about God arbitrarily making some people vessels of mercy, and some vessels of wrath fit to destroy, and we have no right to complain about it because to God we are just like clay is to a potter?

Genocide: God has given life, so he has right to decide how long it lasts.

Virgin women for them: can be ok in that case.

Death penalty for gathering sticks: God has given life, so he has right to decide how long it lasts. Person who doesnt obey/respect God would eventually compromise the future of that nation. That is why I understand they had strict rules. Also when there is no good reason to break the rules and all know them, it doesnt matter what the judgment is, because no one has reason to do against them.

Silent rape: Reason for the judgment can be that no one should be silent in that situation unless she is willing also for that.

Marry the rapist: First I think it is good to know:
If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman: so shall you put away the evil from Israel.
Deuteronomy 22:22
But if the man find the lady who is pledged to be married in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her; then the man only who lay with her shall die:
Deuteronomy 22:25

So marrying is only in that case if both are virgin. In other cases there is death penalty for rapist, either because of rape or adultery.

In that time it could have been ok, if the rapist should marry. One good reason is that then he should also take care of the child.

If the rules are known, I dont know any good reason to do against them. No one has good reason for rape and no one should do so. Rape is the problem, not the judgment.

Slaves: If other nations sell slaves, I dont know any good reason why Jews wouldnt have right to buy. Jews would treat them better than those who sell own people, if they obey God as all Jews should.

Personally I think people should do others as they want to be done to them. I dont want to be slave, so I dont keep anyone else as slave. And I think many modern people are more slave than any slave that Jews owned long time ago.

Clay & potter: We grow to something that we want to be. God gives the opportunity for us to grow and so he makes us. It doesnt mean that he decides on behalf of us, it means he let us grow to form that we want. By giving opportunities God forms us to be something. I think it does not mean that God forces us to be something he only makes it possible for us to become something. For example God can give person opportunity to become king. But that what kind of king person is depends of peoples innermost (of what person wants) and the events that has happened in his life. And by letting certain things happen, God can influence to the end result, because he knows people well and knows what they will choose.

But, God gave also rules for judging and that job was only for those who God ordered to be judges. I think nowadays no one has right to judge according to the Law of Moses. And I think that is good, because most of them who know Law of Moses have not enough understanding for judging righteously, in my opinion.

[AdHoc]

Some of the religious on here can and do profess disgusting opinions regarding any and all who will not play by their particular gods rules. 1213 has in another thread declared that RAPE is a valid method of obtaining a wife and indeed children by forcing the victim to marry the rapist, because his god thinks it is the right thing to do, according to his book.

I don't believe that 1213 would say that.

If this type of pronouncement is not a personal attack on every FEMALE who has ever lived then ban me for calling 1213 a low life cretin.

That would not be a personal attack, you might call it a general attack. This OP actually represents a personal attack on 1213. I suggest you supply the quote from 1213 and attack the quote and not the person who posted it.

For debate:
Should anyone be permitted to declare such obscenities on this forum with impunity, ie no possibility of a counter from DECENT human beings?
It would seem from many threads that the mods allow such behaviour.

If someone says something that is offensive then I believe it is your place to say something rationally and calmly to hopefully change their mind on that matter, if not hopefully they will at least refrain from saying offensive things and if not then ignore them.

PERHAPS YOU WOULD LIKE TO WADE THROUGH THIS SEWER?

All that Bible tells seems to be correct, especially that what it says about right and wrong and righteousness. In my opinion it tells truth about people and I appreciate that. But I think you should understand, Bible is mainly about spiritual things.

Marry the rapist: First I think it is good to know:
If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman: so shall you put away the evil from Israel.
Deuteronomy 22:22
But if the man find the lady who is pledged to be married in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her; then the man only who lay with her shall die:
Deuteronomy 22:25

So marrying is only in that case if both are virgin. In other cases there is death penalty for rapist, either because of rape or adultery.

In that time it could have been ok, if the rapist should marry. One good reason is that then he should also take care of the child.

If the rules are known, I dont know any good reason to do against them. No one has good reason for rape and no one should do so. Rape is the problem, not the judgment.

Ok I don't find any evidence for your assertion that...

Some of the religious on here can and do profess disgusting opinions regarding any and all who will not play by their particular gods rules. 1213 has in another thread declared that RAPE is a valid method of obtaining a wife and indeed children by forcing the victim to marry the rapist, because his god thinks it is the right thing to do, according to his book.

If the rules are known, I dont know any good reason to do against them. No one has good reason for rape and no one should do so. Rape is the problem, not the judgment.

Seems pretty clear to me that 1213 says there is NO good reason ever for rape period. I see no evidence that 1213 believes this is a "vaild method of obtaining a wife" as you asserted.

[Iam]

[Replying to post 4 by AdHoc]

His beliefs are still sick, but it would appear that my acute physical pain was doing the talking here.

[TheTruth101]

[Replying to post 4 by AdHoc]

His beliefs are still sick, but it would appear that my acute physical pain was doing the talking here.

This topic came up time to time before on this forum. It seems like as soon as I leave the scene, atheists poke things at things like this without actually looking into the matter.

In the bible it says it is better to marry a rapist.

The very reason being,

1. Back at that time, women couldn't have any jobs.

2. The women who got raped would have been pregnent.

3. There weren't abortion clinics back in the day. Some that were raped would take in pesticides and kill the infant and even themselves.

4. When the raped women neither could kill the child or themmselves, they are left with the baby.
With A fatherless child back in the day, both would starve to death eventually (because women couldn't work) or the woman who was raped sometimes would get stoned to death because of misunderstandings.

Society was alooooot more cut-throat back in the day.

[TheTruth101]

Also, not to mention the women who take pesticides to kill the infant at many times couodnt kill the infant and babies came out deformed and such...

[Iam]

Also, not to mention the women who take pesticides to kill the infant at many times couodnt kill the infant and babies came out deformed and such...

Pesticides!!! OYG!
Can't you produce some better pathetic excuses for your god's subhuman rules?
Did you say something about "without looking in to the matter"?

[TheTruth101]

Also, not to mention the women who take pesticides to kill the infant at many times couodnt kill the infant and babies came out deformed and such...

Pesticides!!! OYG!
Can't you produce some better pathetic excuses for your god's subhuman rules?
Did you say something about "without looking in to the matter"?

I've dealt with atheists at your stage and questioning countless times on this forum. Usually, when an atheist asks questions of "marrying one who rapes", another question they follow through is with "why offer blood to God? ".

I'm pretty sure that's another question you don't undertsnad so ill answer it for you.

Within spirituality, blood represents life.

When it says to offer blood, God is simply saying he is accepting ones "life".

[LiamOS]

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